Dan Rafael: Accurate sources tell me Pacquiao/Bradley did 950,000 buys

and you must certainly realize that pac has averaged 2.5 million ppvs per year since 09, and floyd has managed 1.38 million per year since 07. Not manny's fault that floyd needs a long time to hype his fights and search for suitable candidates to stack his undercards. Besides, even if you subscribe to the idea that ppv sold per fight is the right way to go about it , floyd's ppv per fight sales are only 100k higher than manny's, which doesn't exactly warrant a 40 million flat fee with 0 ppv. Floyd can demand, at most a 53/47 split in his favor. However, on a ppv sold per year basis, manny could demand higher than 60%. Regardless of how you look at it, 40 million with 0 ppv is a clear, blatant duck. i dont think manny should agree to 40million i think they should do 50/50 or 60/40 2 the winner and give the fans what they want. That doesnt change the fact against common fighters mayweather does better than pac on gate and ppv sales (other than marquez who pac did better against). The problem is whoever you like more out of mayweather/pac u will find away 2 make the information look better 4 them e.g. u putting the numbers on yearly average with mayweather only fighting once a year. Im a fan of both (been 2 mayweather/hatton mayweather/mosley and pacquiao/marquez 3 n i live in england) but tht doesnt change the fact tht the numbers indicate mayweather probably should get a bigger percentage espically when u consider 4 his last 2 fights he averaged 42.5million per fight and pac averaged 28million per fight.

U do release tht even if u take the de la Hoya fight of both of them mayweather still averages over a million every time he fights n PAC doesn't n mayweather is the only fighter 2 do a million plus buys 4 fights in a row and you must certainly realize that pac has averaged 2.5 million ppvs per year since 09, and floyd has managed 1.38 million per year since 07. Not manny's fault that floyd needs a long time to hype his fights and search for suitable candidates to stack his undercards. Besides, even if you subscribe to the idea that ppv sold per fight is the right way to go about it , floyd's ppv per fight sales are only 100k higher than manny's, which doesn't exactly warrant a 40 million flat fee with 0 ppv. Floyd can demand, at most a 53/47 split in his favor. However, on a ppv sold per year basis, manny could demand higher than 60%. Regardless of how you look at it, 40 million with 0 ppv is a clear, blatant duck.

nice try, but you dont count dlh's drawing power into floyd's ppv. you go by when they were both a side fighters to measure their drawing power. floyd became a legitimate ppv star 17 months before manny, and has still been outsold by 1.5 million in that time frame. thats nothing to be ashamed of though U do release tht even if u take the de la Hoya fight of both of them mayweather still averages over a million every time he fights n PAC doesn't n mayweather is the only fighter 2 do a million plus buys 4 fights in a row

The problem is they are not true. How do I know? Because these are the same numbers that Bob Arum floated and he always lies about the numbers. Pac/Mosley did not sell 1.3 millon; Pac/Marquez III did not sell 1.4 million and this fight did not sell 950,000. It amazes me that Bob Arum can throw a number out there and the media believe every word he says, even though he has a long history of lying and bribing. i wouldn't doubt it for one minute if the number aren't true. And I'm with you on Pac VS Mosely/Marquez numbers being grossly inflated.

Since may 2007 mayweather has had 6 fights doing 8,575,000ppv buys at an average of 1,429,166. In that time pacquiao has had 11 fights doing 9,850,000 ppv buys at an average of 895,454. nice try, but you dont count dlh's drawing power into floyd's ppv. you go by when they were both a side fighters to measure their drawing power. floyd became a legitimate ppv star 17 months before manny, and has still been outsold by 1.5 million in that time frame. thats nothing to be ashamed of though

Great numbers if true. The problem is they are not true. How do I know? Because these are the same numbers that Bob Arum floated and he always lies about the numbers. Pac/Mosley did not sell 1.3 millon; Pac/Marquez III did not sell 1.4 million and this fight did not sell 950,000. It amazes me that Bob Arum can throw a number out there and the media believe every word he says, even though he has a long history of lying and bribing.

Dan Rafael ‏@danrafaelespn @JavyJav1 He is not making an official announcement but my sources tell me it's about 950,000. I would bet that his accurate sources come from Top Rank and Bob Arum paid him to make this ridiculous claim.

That is a very good number, when we consider pac did not have to stack his undercards etc... This means that since december 07, floyd has sold roughly 6.2 million ppvs Pac, since may 09, has sold has sold roughly 7.7 million ppvs On a per day or per year basis, pac has actually outsold floyd by a huge margin. I'll leave you to do the exact calculations, but pac sold 1.5 million more ppvs in 17 fewer months. Since may 2007 mayweather has had 6 fights doing 8,575,000ppv buys at an average of 1,429,166. In that time pacquiao has had 11 fights doing 9,850,000 ppv buys at an average of 895,454.

Considering the opponent and the promotion, that is a really good number. I fear the rematch numbers, though.

Floyd didn't fight in 08 or 09. WHy didn't you go back to 2007,oh yeah because he was part of 3 mil ppvs that year. Why the need to skew the numbers? Manny only caught up because floyd wasn't fighting. I mean really, going back to ali frazier. Thats ridiculous. And the undercard stuff is worse. SO people buy floyd's fights for the undercard but many's fights for him. Right? We know the whole context, so why take 9:12 sec cklip from a 20 min interview? Floyd made $85 mil without manny. Yeah he is ok. Manny made $56 mil without floyd. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! SO when we discuss who needs who more, its clear. Manny averaged $28 mil w/out floyd last year. Floyd averaged $42.5 mil w/out Manny. QUick, what percentage of 70 is 28? So now I need to go back to 2007 to find a year where Floyd did good? Wow, isn't that too long ago? I mean, you just keep on talking about Forbes and how Floyd did better but don't include what Manny did the previous years, I just thought that if in your mind 2008, 2009, 2010 & 2011 is skipped by you then 2007 sure should be skipped as well. Right? You can include whatever year you want .... I'm not the one asking for ALL PPV money or 70% Floyd vs 30% Manny ..... but one thing is for sure .... Manny generated the highest for boxing in 2008, 2009, 2010 & 2011 and you need to go back to 2007 to dig out the last time Floyd did better. Funny how everything that doesn't fit your hero's agenda is not "OK" or you can't include. You say that the "undercard" and/or opponent that Floyd faced is just "too bad" for Manny and we shouldn't include that as a variable when looking at the PPV numbers. That is, you are saying "tough luck for Manny, it's fair". You say it's NOT "too bad" for Floyd because he fought less during the past few years. That is, you are saying "it's not fair for Floyd". Just people's opinion, but some had described this fight as "Ali vs Frazier I" and it is in more ways than one .... even Bob Costas mentioned it but for you, that is irrelevant. Ali was OK with 50/50 even though he was the bigger name and the bigger attraction. Ali wanted this ..... Floyd is all about "SELF-PRESERVATION" and is "OK without Manny". In that video with Costas, Floyd don't seem to care who he fights as long as it makes money. Why do you think he took on Cotto? The way he speaks, I doubt very much he would fight a Bradley as it doesn't make "money sense" ... but that for you is just "too bad" for Manny. Again, I'm OK with Manny making less but when one says "ALL PPV money" or his fans say 70-30 split, to me those are not offers where I would feel confident that Manny/Arum will be saying yes to any time soon. If Manny says yes, I would be glad as a fight fan .... but lets be real, those percentages of PPV 0% + $40 million(by Floyd) to PPV 30% (by Big Dunn) don't appear to be right unless you follow everything Floyd tells you! LOL!

So Floyd made more money in 2008? 2009? 2010? 2011? Please show me the stats that Floyd made more money during those years and let me know if the percentage of money that Floyd made was equivalent to the percentage that Floyd wants? That is I WANT ALL PPV money ... or that those numbers stack up to what you stated, 70% Floyd vs 30% Manny? Also, I notice that you avoid who was on Floyd's most recent card vs Manny's. then my other point is: Bob Costas is saying what I tried to tell you too. For Ali vs Frazier I, Ali was the main attraction yet he needed Frazier and vice-versa ..... they both made $2.5 million each ... 50/50 split ..... Similarly, Floyd needs Manny to produce the numbers and money that is expected to be made. Check at 9:12 .... Costas states what I said Floyd responds with "Self-preservation"... "I'm OK without Manny" 60/40 split: All I heard was Floyd say that he wants ALL PPV money .... the person that mentioned 60/40 was Larry Merchant. How did Floyd respond? Did he say 60/40 was true? Did he say that he wanted to move from his 60/40? No .... Floyd said "Manny don't want to take the test" ..... then Lampley and Manny Steward laughed and said "drug test issue doesn't exist anymore" Floyd didn't fight in 08 or 09. WHy didn't you go back to 2007,oh yeah because he was part of 3 mil ppvs that year. Why the need to skew the numbers? Manny only caught up because floyd wasn't fighting. I mean really, going back to ali frazier. Thats ridiculous. And the undercard stuff is worse. SO people buy floyd's fights for the undercard but many's fights for him. Right? We know the whole context, so why take 9:12 sec cklip from a 20 min interview? Floyd made $85 mil without manny. Yeah he is ok. Manny made $56 mil without floyd. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! SO when we discuss who needs who more, its clear. Manny averaged $28 mil w/out floyd last year. Floyd averaged $42.5 mil w/out Manny. QUick, what percentage of 70 is 28?

pac losing luster big time. his last 4 performances have sucked major balls. Lmao..........!

Manny did turn down 50/50 over ost and there is no reason for you to say otherwise. You seem to justify why floyd is selling more. Then you outright lie and say manny is. WHy? WHat is gained from making up things we know are not true? I've never justified the $40 mil no ppv offer but you inisist on arguing that. You just keep posting general statements and never addresss the specifics in my posts. Floyd has said 60/40 split is what he is seeking. How is that so bad? I'm not saying it, the numbers are. Thats what this whole debate is about. You don't want to run the numbers because they don't support your opinion that manny deserves a 50/50 split. They may end up saying manny deserves more, if so I'm fine with it. At some point Manny and his fans need to accept the fact he is #2, which considering he is not a US citizen is exceptional. But that doesn't mean he is entitled to more than the numbers say. So Floyd made more money in 2008? 2009? 2010? 2011? Please show me the stats that Floyd made more money during those years and let me know if the percentage of money that Floyd made was equivalent to the percentage that Floyd wants? That is I WANT ALL PPV money ... or that those numbers stack up to what you stated, 70% Floyd vs 30% Manny? Also, I notice that you avoid who was on Floyd's most recent card vs Manny's. then my other point is: Bob Costas is saying what I tried to tell you too. For Ali vs Frazier I, Ali was the main attraction yet he needed Frazier and vice-versa ..... they both made $2.5 million each ... 50/50 split ..... Similarly, Floyd needs Manny to produce the numbers and money that is expected to be made. Check at 9:12 .... Costas states what I said Floyd responds with "Self-preservation"... "I'm OK without Manny" 60/40 split: All I heard was Floyd say that he wants ALL PPV money .... the person that mentioned 60/40 was Larry Merchant. How did Floyd respond? Did he say 60/40 was true? Did he say that he wanted to move from his 60/40? No .... Floyd said "Manny don't want to take the test" ..... then Lampley and Manny Steward laughed and said "drug test issue doesn't exist anymore"

Why do the stars have to align perfectly in order for Floyd to get in the ring with Manny? This fight doing 950k and the fact that it went down as a loss for Manny just gave Floyd the perfect excuse not to take the fight. Now that testing is out the window, Floyd has some new material to work with. Watch as he comes out and says "Well Manny lost his last two fights, why should I face him?'' or "his fight did 950k with Bradley....I don't need Manny". I'm tired of this b1tch and his refusal to fight legitament threats around his weight class. I saw the same b.s. when it came to Paul Williams, Stevie Johnston, Antonio Margarito and other fighters. Popovich just a quick question. Floyd has made manny offers to fight and manny has refused them. floyd is blamed because of the way the offers are put together. When JMM turned down a manny rematch because he was unhappy with the money divide was that Manny's fault because of the way the offer was structured?

Come on, .... Manny didn't turn down 50/50 ... Why does Floyd need to fight more? Because if he didn't fight more then Manny would be on top again this year ... fortunately, Forbes looked at Floyd's last 2 fights because if it was based on 2011, Floyd would not have come on top. The previous few it was Manny who came up on top .... Average this out and the numbers do not indicate that Floyd deserves "100% of PPV money" and that is what Manny refused!!! and these numbers don't take into account all the variables, so its not as easy as you say. Floyd fought Cotto, who is most probably #3 on PPV drawing power while Manny picked someone who is not a house hold name in Bradley. Floyd's undercard had Canelo who brings in his fan base and Mosley. Floyd wants and has made this appear as though he deserves all PPV money but that is far from the truth. Floyd was acting this way from DAY 1 .... he stated this even after his long layoff and getting ready to fight Marquez while Manny fighting Cotto. There are videos of Floyd saying that he deserves more back in 2009. If Floyd fights once a year and has a name such as Cotto and well known under-card names, it should attract more than a fighter who fights more often and fights a relative nobody. Floyd can get more, I don't care but for him to say ALL PPV money and for you Floyd fans to defend his statements is just wrong. At least Manny's 50/50 is not questioned as much for the simple reason, we all thought for 3 years that this was a 50/50 fight. So for you to say it was Manny that was crazy not Floyd, is CRAZY! Now for you to even say 30% for Manny and 70% for Floyd is OK is just as crazy .... these are 2 A-side fighters who have both generated a lot of money for boxing. In the last few years, Manny has generated more but that never made me say that he deserved more .... as I just want to see a fight!!! If you think your numbers are fair and Floyd should continue with his roadblock then this fight is not happening .... if Floyd bends a little and Manny does as well then I can see this happening ..... and more importantly, we get to see this fight. Soon it may not matter though .... Manny did turn down 50/50 over ost and there is no reason for you to say otherwise. You seem to justify why floyd is selling more. Then you outright lie and say manny is. WHy? WHat is gained from making up things we know are not true? I've never justified the $40 mil no ppv offer but you inisist on arguing that. You just keep posting general statements and never addresss the specifics in my posts. Floyd has said 60/40 split is what he is seeking. How is that so bad? I'm not saying it, the numbers are. Thats what this whole debate is about. You don't want to run the numbers because they don't support your opinion that manny deserves a 50/50 split. They may end up saying manny deserves more, if so I'm fine with it. At some point Manny and his fans need to accept the fact he is #2, which considering he is not a US citizen is exceptional. But that doesn't mean he is entitled to more than the numbers say.

Great number. Considering Bradly can't draw flies in his own backyard. This is not also Cinco de Mayo and is not peppered with superstars in the undercards. Congrats!

That settles it. 60/40 and take the test!

Why do the stars have to align perfectly in order for Floyd to get in the ring with Manny? This fight doing 950k and the fact that it went down as a loss for Manny just gave Floyd the perfect excuse not to take the fight. Now that testing is out the window, Floyd has some new material to work with. Watch as he comes out and says "Well Manny lost his last two fights, why should I face him?'' or "his fight did 950k with Bradley....I don't need Manny". I'm tired of this b1tch and his refusal to fight legitament threats around his weight class. I saw the same b.s. when it came to Paul Williams, Stevie Johnston, Antonio Margarito and other fighters.

Come on, .... Manny didn't turn down 50/50 ... Why does Floyd need to fight more? Because if he didn't fight more then Manny would be on top again this year ... fortunately, Forbes looked at Floyd's last 2 fights because if it was based on 2011, Floyd would not have come on top. The previous few it was Manny who came up on top .... Average this out and the numbers do not indicate that Floyd deserves "100% of PPV money" and that is what Manny refused!!! and these numbers don't take into account all the variables, so its not as easy as you say. Floyd fought Cotto, who is most probably #3 on PPV drawing power while Manny picked someone who is not a house hold name in Bradley. Floyd's undercard had Canelo who brings in his fan base and Mosley. Floyd wants and has made this appear as though he deserves all PPV money but that is far from the truth. Floyd was acting this way from DAY 1 .... he stated this even after his long layoff and getting ready to fight Marquez while Manny fighting Cotto. There are videos of Floyd saying that he deserves more back in 2009. If Floyd fights once a year and has a name such as Cotto and well known under-card names, it should attract more than a fighter who fights more often and fights a relative nobody. Floyd can get more, I don't care but for him to say ALL PPV money and for you Floyd fans to defend his statements is just wrong. At least Manny's 50/50 is not questioned for the simple reason, we all thought for 3 years that this was a 50/50 fight. So for you to say it was Manny that was crazy not Floyd, is CRAZY! Now for you to even say 30% for Manny and 70% for Floyd is OK is just as crazy .... these are 2 A-side fighters who have both generated a lot of money for boxing. In the last few years, Manny has generated more but that never made me say that he deserved more .... as I just want to see a fight!!! If you think your numbers are fair and Floyd should continue with his roadblock then this fight is not happening .... if Floyd bends a little and Manny does as well then I can see this happening ..... and more importantly, we get to see this fight. Soon it may not matter though .... Yup, if you look at the ppv sales per year, manny almost doubles floyd. On a per fight basis, floyd only beats manny by 100k, which is almost pathetic when you consider all the big names floyd has to stack on his mexican holiday undercards. 40 million flat, with 0% ppv is one of the most blatant ducks of all time.

How can you be sure with out any objective data? If you use all the economic numbers, they all point to floyd getting between 60-65%. I don't know why pac fans are so afraid to use objective independent data. AGain, what does ped testing ahve to do with purse split? The forbes numbers simply clarified how much more of an earner floyd is than manny. If you want to use forbes numbers from previous years fine with me, but floyd was still the bigger earner. Manny was offered 50/50 and turned it down. You kinda keep leaving that out. Your logic is funny. Manny's willing ness to accept 47% vs floyd would be like JMM being willing to take 47% with Manny. In both cases, the 47% is more than either fighter deserves, so of course they are willing to take it. This has never been a 50/50 fight, and no matter how much you like manny and/or hate floyd, you should be honest enough to admit that. Manny isn't being virtuous or "wanting the fight" by asking for more than he deserves. WHy does floyd have to fight more? Is there a rule or something? Manny fights more because he earns less. If manny earned what floyd did, he'd fight less. If you want to blame floyd for holding up the fight fine with me. To date, Manny has refused 2 offers. He refused 50/50 and OST and he refused $0 mil no ppv. No fighter, not even manny, deserves more than their share when they are not the main draw in a fight. The objective, unbiased data, whether it be Nevada commisssion, forbes, or any other independent source shows floyd is the bigger earner and the main draw. Come on, .... Manny didn't turn down 50/50 ... Why does Floyd need to fight more? Because if he didn't fight more then Manny would be on top again this year ... fortunately, Forbes looked at Floyd's last 2 fights because if it was based on 2011, Floyd would not have come on top. The previous few it was Manny who came up on top .... Average this out and the numbers do not indicate that Floyd deserves "100% of PPV money" and that is what Manny refused!!! and these numbers don't take into account all the variables, so its not as easy as you say. Floyd fought Cotto, who is most probably #3 on PPV drawing power while Manny picked someone who is not a house hold name in Bradley. Floyd's undercard had Canelo who brings in his fan base and Mosley. Floyd wants and has made this appear as though he deserves all PPV money but that is far from the truth. Floyd was acting this way from DAY 1 .... he stated this even after his long layoff and getting ready to fight Marquez while Manny fighting Cotto. There are videos of Floyd saying that he deserves more back in 2009. If Floyd fights once a year and has a name such as Cotto and well known under-card names, it should attract more than a fighter who fights more often and fights a relative nobody. Floyd can get more, I don't care but for him to say ALL PPV money and for you Floyd fans to defend his statements is just wrong. At least Manny's 50/50 is not questioned as much for the simple reason, we all thought for 3 years that this was a 50/50 fight. So for you to say it was Manny that was crazy not Floyd, is CRAZY! Now for you to even say 30% for Manny and 70% for Floyd is OK is just as crazy .... these are 2 A-side fighters who have both generated a lot of money for boxing. In the last few years, Manny has generated more but that never made me say that he deserved more .... as I just want to see a fight!!! If you think your numbers are fair and Floyd should continue with his roadblock then this fight is not happening .... if Floyd bends a little and Manny does as well then I can see this happening ..... and more importantly, we get to see this fight. Soon it may not matter though ....