I have read a couple posts on how Garcia doesn't care about his fighter and he shouldn't have wanted Ortiz to continue.
First of all Garcia's only fighter is Ortiz so there isn't anyone on the planet Garcia cares more about then Victor Ortiz, unless he wants to drive that pepsi truck for the rest of his life...
I basically see it like this; Either Ortiz continued the fight clinched and ran for the last 3 rounds, win or lose, he would have won alot of fans back, a boxer who didn't quit after getting his sh1t blown out. He sort of would have redeemed himself for the Maidana fight. And he definitely would have shown that he had heart. The Canelo fight would have been postponed(not sure how long a broken jaw takes to heal).
OR Ortiz quits, again, he has no heart and now...his career is in jeopardy who wants to pay to watch a fighter who keeps quitting. The Canelo fight is completely off now. Friday Night Fights here we come!
So if you were Garcia which would you prefer for Ortiz...
Garcia is to blame for not training Ortiz to tuck his chin in. It was pathetic.
and for bad footwork, moving to his left against a righty all kinds of things
Garcia is not a good trainer IMO he is a trainer who happened to luck out on Victor wanting to leave his brother and taking Danny with him
that's it
ortiz had a broken jaw theres no shame in quitting with a jaw broken sure he may have made it to the end but his career was in jeopardy. either way this fight was a lose/lose situation for ortiz so yeah his career is still in jeopardy but its best he pulls out now to fight another day. boxings the only thing he knows without it he aint ****.
If he finished the fight win/lose their is no way anyone could sh1t on him
Problem with the Garcia clan. Roberto Garcia cost Margarito his career because he did not pull him out of the Pacquiao fight.
Some times you have to lose a battle to win a war.
The Garcia's can't see this.
ortiz had a broken jaw theres no shame in quitting with a jaw broken sure he may have made it to the end but his career was in jeopardy. either way this fight was a lose/lose situation for ortiz so yeah his career is still in jeopardy but its best he pulls out now to fight another day. boxings the only thing he knows without it he aint ****.
Having a broken jaw exponentially increases the chance of having Parkinson's and visual loss from being hit in the back of the head. Fact.
Well good thing Victor Ortiz wasn't fighting...Victor Ortiz
Boxing should be banned then
Having a broken jaw exponentially increases the chance of having Parkinson's and visual loss from being hit in the back of the head. Fact.
@Weebler We're talking about a broken jaw here. Stop reaching.
Watson didn't even have a broken jaw. It's a value judgement for the trainer but they should err on the side of caution, particularly where their fighter doesn't look comfortable.
There's a lot of macho stuff with fighters but trainers need to see past that and realise when their man is genuinely hurt.
Ortiz could have been killed!!
Plenty have died in the ring without even having a broken bone in their face. Youtube it and you'll see plenty. It's not a game. There's a reason Mayweather talks about self-preservation.
Michael Watson's corner sent him back out because he was ahead and he ended up brain damaged.
Gerald McClellan's corner could have had a little more thought when he started blinking and spitting out his gumshield to breathe too.
It's a very tough sport and as a trainer you've got to put the fighter's health first, it's him in there.
Ortiz could have been killed!!
Michael Watson's corner sent him back out because he was ahead and he ended up brain damaged.
Gerald McClellan's corner could have had a little more thought when he started blinking and spitting out his gumshield to breathe too.
It's a very tough sport and as a trainer you've got to put the fighter's health first, it's him in there.
It's hard for me to criticize him. I've never been hit flush before let a lone have my jaw broken by a punch and get continually hit.
I can't really say anything
Garcias not teaching Ortiz anything. His defense is s_hit and Ortiz cant even throw a proper straight left. At least not without squaring himself up leaving himself wide open for counter rights. Ortiz needs someone who can teach the basics. Teddy Atlas would be perfect.
This is a VERY big weakness of Ortiz's, he desperately needs to get a trainer who will rectify that flaw. Ortiz absorbed plenty of left hooks, uppercuts and straight rights.
Garcias not teaching Ortiz anything. His defense is s_hit and Ortiz cant even throw a proper straight left. At least not without squaring himself up leaving himself wide open for counter rights. Ortiz needs someone who can teach the basics. Teddy Atlas would be perfect.
It's hard to teach a tree
Garcias not teaching Ortiz anything. His defense is s_hit and Ortiz cant even throw a proper straight left. At least not without squaring himself up leaving himself wide open for counter rights. Ortiz needs someone who can teach the basics. Teddy Atlas would be perfect.
obviously if i was garcia, i would have wanted ortiz to continue. last night, ortiz was given the opportunity to really show what he's made of. if he had finished the fight with a broken jaw, win or lose, he would be getting major credit right now.