ORTIZ is not a quitter

trying to compare a busted nail to a broken jaw. get real man .........Rockin':boxing: Just saying A nail infection may lead to the amputation of a hand

I thought I was the only one that felt bad for Ortiz. He messed up, having his damn mouth open whenever it was in the beginning of the 9th when he got clocked. I feel sorry for him. Missed out on a multi million dollar pay day against Canelo (i thought he had a good chance in that fight). Sucks for him. I hope he comes back and knocks Lopez out.

Youre another poster that needs to calm down and let some of the air out of your chest. The name calling isn't necessary, it makes you look silly. You obviously didn't comprehend my argument. Whether you're comparing fighters from previous eras or fighters who don't make as much money, you're still comparing Ortiz to fighters who were more desperate. Desperation plays a big part in what kind of risks a fighter will and won't take. Exactly. You're talking about guys who were/are in desperate situations. Guys that are chasing the paydays that Ortiz has already cashed in on. If you are just a regional fighter making 5 figures and you're chasing the bigger pay days, then you're going to be prone to take more risks than a guy like Ortiz. Again, I'm not saying that every fighter making Ortiz type money would've quit after the broken jaw, I'm just talking in general. The more desperate the fighter, the more risks that fighter will take. I don't respect "fans" like you because people like you seem to look down on athletes. You don't have the proper respect as a fan. Fans like you are why I dont criticize fighters who are conscious of the business side of the game and act accordingly. Obviously you aren't a pro fighter and I'd bet that if someone broke your jaw you'd curl up in the fetal position wishing you had your mommy. I'd guarantee that you wouldn't question Ortiz's manhood to his face, yet you have no problem coming to the net and poking your chest out. You watch these guys for entertainment, so if Ortiz doesn't entertain you then stop watching him. Personally attacking him for not continuing to fight after having his jaw broken just makes you look like insensitive and disrespectful. What kind of work do you do? If you broke your wrist on the job, could you still continue to flip burgers? The average person calls out of work if they have a bad cold. Be realistic, you're talking nonsense. Injuries take athletes out of the game all of the time. Had Lebron broken his wrist during the finals do you think that he would've continued to play? I understand that Ortiz has established a pattern and I'm not defending him quitting in the past, but I cannot put what happened last night in the same category. The man had a broken jaw. Nice post. All the bad-mouthing kinda' torques me as well after awhile. A few of the people going on about being tough are actually tough. Since they are mostly kids they might not know themselves yet who they are. The rest? Most'll figure it out and maybe be a little more forgiving in their assessments once they've been forced to confront some of their own flaws. Time does that. As for Ortiz: A headcase. He's fvcking Zab Judah all over again. Many gifts but apparently w/o the consistent mental discipline to hang at the elite level. I was Victors fan comin' into this but (along w/my brother who was watchin' w/me) jumped ship when he was unable to control his impulse to rabbit punch Josecito in the 5th round. That was just dirty. Will root for Josecito in the rematch. Nice card Showtime. That was fun. :boxing:

That douchebag is a mod, LMAO!!! So mods are allowed to follow others around throwing sh1t while we'd be banned for it. What a loser:loser:........Rockin':boxing: My thoughts exactly. Dude is @ss as a poster....so how the hell is he even a mod?

A lot of you people haven't been in a fight in your lives so you wouldn't know. The way he was getting hit last night, to continue that fight would have been stupid. With a simple broken jaw, he will be back in 6 months. 3 more rounds and he would have been back next year around this time. I'm not mad at him for being smart. He will rematch dude in January. Boxing is the hurt business, if you can't take it then you shouldn't be in the ring. That what separate the great ones from the Prima Donnas, the ability to fight through adversity. What are we suppose to do? Be compassionate for the fighters? Injuries do happen and it is up to the fighter to deal with it. Justified or not if the injury makes you quit you quitted.

thats what baseball players go on the dl over, not fighters. You guys have no respect for world class fighters, none at all. I don't even know how you can be fans of the sport with how much hatred and bullsh1t sarcasm you guys throw around. What fighter would give a **** about a busted nail? Oh wait, there are women boxers now..........Rockin':boxing: Im just saying, you can break your nail and if you continue fighting, it can peel and then the nail might come off, risking even more damage, soley for the entertainment and pleasure of a few know nothing fans

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webster just added the word 'ortiz' to their list of verbs. ortiz; to quit, but not really. example rockin' announced that he was leaving boxingscene for good but it turned out he was just pulling an ortiz. :joke: rockin' :laugh: :laugh:

Advise him them to switch to a singing career. It's a sport.

war is straight out life or death, a completely different scenario. boxing is a sport for entertainment. I see no reason to continue fighting with a broken jaw, risking even more damage, soley for the entertainment and pleasure of a few know nothing fans............Rockin':boxing: What if its a broken nail?

webster just added the word 'ortiz' to their list of verbs. ortiz; to quit, but not really. example rockin' announced that he was leaving boxingscene for good but it turned out he was just pulling an ortiz. :joke: rockin' :lol1::lol1:

I'm not mad that he quit hell a broken JAw is too much is the fact that he took the guy lightly he should have known better. F@ck all of you who want boxers to fight to the death. Usually fans who like boxers to fight to the death are the same ones who support Dog fights and **** fight too. Bunch of morons and modern days Red Necks

webster just added the word 'ortiz' to their list of verbs. ortiz; to quit, but not really. example rockin' announced that he was leaving boxingscene for good but it turned out he was just pulling an ortiz. :joke: rockin'

Yes you're right but I expect boxing fans to be mad about the stoppage since they've never had a broken jaw. I think 100% of the people who said he shouldn't have quit have never had a broken jaw. I have never had a broken jaw. That being said, It takes a special breed of person to be a prize fighter and Victor has shown on numerous occasions that he is not of prize fighter calibur.

Ortiz quitting: Comes back in January for Lopez rematch Comes back in May for Canelo fight Ortiz not quitting: Comes back in June for Lopez rematch Comes back in November for ??? fight It all makes sense. Ortiz knew what he was doing. Smart move.

PS as for the bolded thats not actually true. Ali didnt know he had a broken jaw until the fight had ended and later said he wouldn't of fought on if he knew his jaw was broken. This. I thought I remembered this but didn't bother to look it up. Ali was great but he tends to get the legendary treatment when it comes to myths.

If this was Victor's first quit, then I will have to give him a pass for quitting due to a broken jaw. We however, have seen him quit three times already and that says a lot about the man's heart. He simply doesn't have it. Ortiz once again exposed himself lacking a warriors heart. If he had more heart, maybe he wouldn't have quit. Still wouldn't have made continuing fighting a smart decision. For those who says it is smart for him to quit due to a broken jaw, think again. In the eyes of many boxing fans, this fight confirmed once again his lack of heart. Imagine what would be the effect of that to his marketability. What are you even talking about? It's smart of him to quit because health is important. Who gives a **** what fans think? Certain things take precedent over others, and health is damned important. After this third revelation, he certainly won't be getting anymore the kind of money he just got in this fight. Ali suffered a broken jaw but he kept fighting. He never told any one that his jaw got broke. After that round he never took his mouthpiece out because he didn't want anybody to know. That may be true. Unfortunately he's a bit of a strange character and has ridiculous inconsistent things happen in his career. Still, don't bring up other fighters. It's not smart to fight with a broken jaw, and they may be running on pure adrenaline anyway. Ortiz quit because he had a major injury. If it wasn't him, he'd be given a pass. If his injury his legit, he should get a pass regardless of who he is.

If this was Victor's first quit, then I will have to give him a pass for quitting due to a broken jaw. We however, have seen him quit three times already and that says a lot about the man's heart. He simply doesn't have it. Ortiz once again exposed himself lacking a warriors heart. For those who says it is smart for him to quit due to a broken jaw, think again. In the eyes of many boxing fans, this fight confirmed once again his lack of heart. Imagine what would be the effect of that to his marketability. After this third revelation, he certainly won't be getting anymore the kind of money he just got in this fight. Ali suffered a broken jaw but he kept fighting. He never told any one that his jaw got broke. After that round he never took his mouthpiece out because he didn't want anybody to know. We also saw him fight somewhat resilient when he was dropped and hurt bad by Berto then came back to knock him down in the same round. That has to count for something as well. The other problem I have with this is that when a fighter goes on to fight with a broken jaw we regard him as a 'warrior' as if he went above and beyond the normal boxer's toughness. Yet Ortiz breaks his jaw and he is a quitter because he didn't fight on essentially saying all fighters are supposed to fight through the injury. I think if you have your jaw broken in a fight you should be given a pass to stop the fight. I can only assume it would be a very shocking thing to have a broken jaw in everyday life let alone in the middle of a fight where you will be getting hit hard on the jaw and swallowing blood the whole time. Fighters go through enough physical trauma in a fight and now we are demanding them to continue fighting with a broken jaw or else they will be ostracized? It seems a bit extreme and I dont really agree with it. And as I have said before it is amazing how some have gone on to finish and even win fights with broken jaws and they deserve all the praise in the world. With that said though it is not an excuse for every fighter to do it. PS as for the bolded thats not actually true. Ali didnt know he had a broken jaw until the fight had ended and later said he wouldn't of fought on if he knew his jaw was broken. edit: I may or may not be wrong about the Ali thing I read it on a boxing site earlier

1.) This isn't a "fighters of today vs. fighters of the past" issue, infact, half of the bouts I mentioned took place within the last decade, so your argument is flawed right off the bat. Furthermore, of those fights within the last decade not a single one of them were getting paid "Ortiz money", not even Abraham against Miranda, because nobody knew who the f*ck Abraham was at the time. 2.) Even worse, some of the guys I mentioned are regional fighters/no namers like Dierry Jean and Jose Diaz who most likely got paid $10,000 or less, yet they still finished the fight. 3.) The whole "would you have continued?" or "have you ever been in that situation?" argument is for f*cking idiots, honestly. Of course I haven't been in that situation, wanna know why? Because I'm not a professional boxer. I watch the sport for entertainment, it's not my job to get hit in the head for a living because I went to College and I'm intelligent. It is however Ortiz's job, and he quit yet again, and will continue to get paid despite that. Can you quit your job anytime you're feeling overwhelmed at work and still get paid? How cool would it be if anytime you felt your workload was too demanding you could just throw your hands in the air, say "f*ck this, I'm going home", and still get paid millions of dollars? Because that's what Victor Ortiz is getting away with, and he WILL do it again.Youre another poster that needs to calm down and let some of the air out of your chest. The name calling isn't necessary, it makes you look silly. You obviously didn't comprehend my argument. Whether you're comparing fighters from previous eras or fighters who don't make as much money, you're still comparing Ortiz to fighters who were more desperate. Desperation plays a big part in what kind of risks a fighter will and won't take. Exactly. You're talking about guys who were/are in desperate situations. Guys that are chasing the paydays that Ortiz has already cashed in on. If you are just a regional fighter making 5 figures and you're chasing the bigger pay days, then you're going to be prone to take more risks than a guy like Ortiz. Again, I'm not saying that every fighter making Ortiz type money would've quit after the broken jaw, I'm just talking in general. The more desperate the fighter, the more risks that fighter will take. I don't respect "fans" like you because people like you seem to look down on athletes. You don't have the proper respect as a fan. Fans like you are why I dont criticize fighters who are conscious of the business side of the game and act accordingly. Obviously you aren't a pro fighter and I'd bet that if someone broke your jaw you'd curl up in the fetal position wishing you had your mommy. I'd guarantee that you wouldn't question Ortiz's manhood to his face, yet you have no problem coming to the net and poking your chest out. You watch these guys for entertainment, so if Ortiz doesn't entertain you then stop watching him. Personally attacking him for not continuing to fight after having his jaw broken just makes you look like insensitive and disrespectful. What kind of work do you do? If you broke your wrist on the job, could you still continue to flip burgers? The average person calls out of work if they have a bad cold. Be realistic, you're talking nonsense. Injuries take athletes out of the game all of the time. Had Lebron broken his wrist during the finals do you think that he would've continued to play? I understand that Ortiz has established a pattern and I'm not defending him quitting in the past, but I cannot put what happened last night in the same category. The man had a broken jaw.

To quit doesn't equate to being a quitter... A quitter is someone that makes quitting a consistent behavior (I can provide a link to a dictionary if you have trouble finding it). Mentioning his money in comparison does your argument nothing except put on display that you're spiteful and resentful toward him. He put in 15 or so years and thousands of hours of work in the gym to be in the position where he was prior to the Josesito Lopez fight. Unlike the other fighters (who I'm sure put in a tremendous amount of work also), he was lucky enough to be in that position. Well, Ortiz has quit 3 times now in the last three years. Consistent enough for you?