Ortiz makes Arthur Abraham look like a hero

Dropping the right is part of the problem, the bigger problem is his posture. He holds his chin up the air, which basically means hell can break loose if his opponent lands a counter punch. There's a short list of successful fighters who do that, the other being Juanma. It's a big issue. I believe tucking your chin kind of goes out the window in a fight for a lot of boxers. You rarely see it practiced. I think Ortiz is fine until he gets hit, then he gets emotional and starts losing control. He had moments where he was more controlled and not reaching. When he stayed composed and moved in and out, he owned Lopez. He gets into these free swinging habits and thats when he drops his hands and gets caught. As far as keeping your chin down, I can only think of someone like Hopkins or Ward who kind of come in head first when in close with their hands up. Its a smart technical move although some find it to be a bit dirty. I think it does limit your chances of getting caught.

Did you just say Ortiz has better skills than Abe, you sir know nothing about boxing. Ortiz clearly has more skills than AA. You gotta be kidding me here.

Did you just say Ortiz has better skills than Abe, you sir know nothing about boxing. :lol1:Agreed, here is both their fighting styles quick bursts of power shots then stand there to be hit

That was the definition of a war! Ortiz drops that right hand too much, that's why he was getting caught. I know people are talking like Ortiz is a quitter, but I was shocked that he was able to take some of those shots. Dude is tough. Anybody that thinks otherwise is crazy Dropping the right is part of the problem, the bigger problem is his posture. He holds his chin up the air, which basically means hell can break loose if his opponent lands a counter punch. There's a short list of successful fighters who do that, the other being Juanma. It's a big issue.

Ali, Malignaggi, and AA have all fought with broken jaws. It sucks, but it doesn't jeopardize your career or completely limit your ability to win a fight. Also, nobody's bringing it up but Ortiz has embarrassing technique. If he'd tuck his chin, his jaw would be fine and he'd be a much better fighter. That was the definition of a war! Ortiz drops that right hand too much, that's why he was getting caught. I know people are talking like Ortiz is a quitter, but I was shocked that he was able to take some of those shots. Dude is tough. Anybody that thinks otherwise is crazy

Malignaggi>>>>

in the heart department yes, in the skills departmnt no, AA skills is way too basic.

That makes no sense. Vitaly knew that he would've won against Byrd when he tore his shoulder but did he continue? The ref, the disgusting officiating that is where I'm getting at, AA was gonna win that night regardless of anything. He's a mental midget himself who also tends to bitch to the ref when he's getting touched to the body.

Ali, Malignaggi, and AA have all fought with broken jaws. It sucks, but it doesn't jeopardize your career or completely limit your ability to win a fight. Also, nobody's bringing it up but Ortiz has embarrassing technique. If he'd tuck his chin, his jaw would be fine and he'd be a much better fighter.

I thought about this as soon as I saw the fight, damn Ortiz was getting hit too much, getting countered, I thought Ortiz was better than that.

AA has no heart himself, his fuel to continue that fight is because he knew Miranda wasn't gonna get the win regardless. same thing was going to happen tonight. He should of just ran the whole fight and won a split d

AA has no heart himself, his fuel to continue that fight is because he knew Miranda wasn't gonna get the win regardless.

Abraham wasn't getting it taken to him like Ortiz was.