Now before you lot say "oh comon you bias moron, he lost get over it".
He did, no questions aske i even bet on a andre ward points win.
However, lets take a couple of factors in.
Froch got(who didnt listen to ward) his tactics wrong dramatically. He said in the pre fight that he will walk through his punches and knock out ward.
he did this tactic in round 5, and rounds 10-12. But the rest were pathetic by his standards.
Not taking anything away from ward, he makes is fking difficult, but never the less, froch was far to cute in his style.
Also froch did zero clinch work in sparring. He admitted thats a mistake and boy did it cost him. How can you face a spoiling fighter like ward and do zero inside work on your boxing??? Get light heavies that enjoy a good inside spar and he would be far better prepared.
Having the fight in nottingham. Froch, as a other fighters are far better at there home turf. The crowd cheer every punch you land(or dodnt land), and nottingham crowd is the most intimerdating in boxing imo. Ward as a pro has yet to travel. How would he cope???
Im not saying froch would win the rematch, but there were some massive gaping factors that Would certainly make the fight more competitive than its first...and with frochs mental belief, anythings possible.
If Froch and Ward get past Kessler and Dawson respectively. They might only have each other.
A rematch isn't as far fetched as people make it out to be.
he injured his left hand? he must've filled himself to the brim with numbing agents or somesht because the man was throwing left hooks like crazy, i think he also stunned froch(just a tinsy tiny little bit) with a left hook
Yeah, he said he was able to stand the pain for a bit until the 6th round where he hit Froch on top of the head and the pain was excruciating.
This wasn't some sort of minor injury either, it was pretty bad. It takes like 5-8 weeks for the fracture to heal and after that you've got to do rehab or you can fvck it up even worse.
From Ward's twitter, this is his broken hand after the fight, as you can see it was swollen as hell. Dude is a warrior to be fighting through this type of injury:
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If Ward could school Froch with this injury you can just imagine what he'd do with his hand 100%.
if froch could simply blow ward's doors off with power and take all of his gas he would have
he couldnt
he got badly touched up. ward's not a huge puncher but he's not a small guy. when a guy that size puts his hands on you like that you feel the effects.
The only reason Froch was able to even get 3 rounds on Ward was because Ward wasn't 100%. Wards hand was severely broken, Froch was 100% healthy. If Ward had a healthy hand coming into the fight he shuts Froch out.
How many boxers have you ever heard of that came into a championship fight with a broken hand? A few days before the fight Ward said it hurt him to even hit the mitts!
he injured his left hand? he must've filled himself to the brim with numbing agents or somesht because the man was throwing left hooks like crazy, i think he also stunned froch(just a tinsy tiny little bit) with a left hook
I think he could do better than before, he looked god-awful in that fight and not just because of Ward, his own movement was ****, his punches were wide and slow and yes his inside game was sub par.
Worst Froch i saw, and to be honest the Johnson fight too he looked very poor imo,
I remember ringside before the Ward fight they asked Froch "you feeling good, you feeling sharp Carl?" and he just moaned about feeling "old" and i remember thinking wtf is with you man?
i thought he was done but maybe he was just worn out or something?
People forget that Froch was winning those last couple rounds and Ward was GASSING!!!
If Froch turns on the heat early, I doubt Ward could cope for 12 straight rounds. A rematch should happen in Nottingham while Froch is confident and riding high!
The only reason Froch was able to even get 3 rounds on Ward was because Ward wasn't 100%. Wards hand was severely broken, Froch was 100% healthy. If Ward had a healthy hand coming into the fight he shuts Froch out.
How many boxers have you ever heard of that came into a championship fight with a broken hand? A few days before the fight Ward said it hurt him to even hit the mitts!
Froch could fight Ward in his mother's house with Froch's family as the judges and he still probably couldn't get close to winning~
Also he didn't look great against a different Andre in his hometown, so I don't see how that makes any sort of difference~
sometimes fans are just in denial, their PRIDE won't let them admit that a fighter is better then their favorite fighter
I see absolutely nothing in the 1st Match Up to make me believe that Froch could do better in a rematch, I guess he could maybe win a few Rounds against Ward in a rematch I guess lol I don't know but for the most part I just don't see him beating Ward unless it is in Nottingham and he gets a Robbery Decision over Ward and a win like that would do absolutely NOTHING for his legacy
what really shocked me and may have also Shocked Froch, is the exchanges, Ward won every exchange they got into and at the end of those exchanges is was FROCH backing out of those exchanges, I think he underestimated WARD'S Power and Toughness
sorry but the outcome will be no different, I see Ward scoring yet another Comfortable UD over Froch, he could score a lucky punch and knock Ward Out...but he is too damn slow to catch Ward with anything he doesn't see coming
sometimes fans are just in denial, their PRIDE won't let them admit that a fighter is better then their favorite fighter
I see absolutely nothing in the 1st Match Up to make me believe that Froch could do better in a rematch, I guess he could maybe win a few Rounds against Ward in a rematch I guess lol I don't know but for the most part I just don't see him beating Ward unless it is in Nottingham and he gets a Robbery Decision over Ward and a win like that would do absolutely NOTHING for his legacy
Froch is a confidence fighter. And honestly I dont think he was confident he could win against Ward in the Finals. **** the "Warrior Mentality" everyone claims he has. He's a fighter that doubted himself against Ward.. Dont get me wrong a big return win against undefeated Bute and if he can avenge his first loss to Kessler next, I have no doubt he'll have the confidence it takes to beat Ward. But even having the Confidence and the crowd backing your every punch doesnt mean you'll win... That's how good Ward is. The rematch will be closer but I cant see Froch winning unless its by KO or Robbery...
exactly, great post.
And for those whom are saying ward wont travel, why wont he?? hes boring as anything and can barely sell out a garden shed. Froch is where the moneys at,and itsa bout time ward travels.
No ones is saying froch will win, we are saying there was alot of major errors froch didn that would make the fight more interesting. One being at the brutal nottingham arena...
True.. Why wouldn't Ward travel. He's had it all his own way with home advantage for just about his whole career. It's time he mans up and went into the Lions Den like all Great Champions! I believe Ward has the willpower to overcome that adversity, but i need to see it with my own eyes to know for sure. It's only right. Otherwise these questions will loom over him for eternity and will diminish all of his achievements. Ward needs to get the hell outta the US and fight Froch in the UK. Show the world what he's really made of.
To the peeps saying forget it because Ward clearly won the first fight, well there were lots of fights in boxing history which were won by one guy but the rematch was entirely different.
Lewis vs Rahman
Viloria vs Nino
Pacquiao vs Morales
etc..
So I don't see why people could possibly be against rematch. These guys are still the top 2 in the division, in my opinion, and Froch just put on an outstanding performance. I'd like to see the rematch take place in UK Nottingham, the atmosphere of that fight would be crazy. Plus Ward woud finally be testing himself outside of his comfort zone, even though it would be against a fighter he clearly beat the first time, he'd have to deal with things mentally that most of the other Super 6 fighters had to deal with for 2 years running (situations Ward never had to go through because he stayed in the US all the way through, which was obviously an unfair advantage)
exactly, great post.
And for those whom are saying ward wont travel, why wont he?? hes boring as anything and can barely sell out a garden shed. Froch is where the moneys at,and itsa bout time ward travels.
No ones is saying froch will win, we are saying there was alot of major errors froch didn that would make the fight more interesting. One being at the brutal nottingham arena...
To the peeps saying forget it because Ward clearly won the first fight, well there were lots of fights in boxing history which were won by one guy but the rematch was entirely different.
Lewis vs Rahman
Viloria vs Nino
Pacquiao vs Morales
etc..
So I don't see why people could possibly be against rematch. These guys are still the top 2 in the division, in my opinion, and Froch just put on an outstanding performance. I'd like to see the rematch take place in UK Nottingham, the atmosphere of that fight would be crazy. Plus Ward woud finally be testing himself outside of his comfort zone, even though it would be against a fighter he clearly beat the first time, he'd have to deal with things mentally that most of the other Super 6 fighters had to deal with for 2 years running (situations Ward never had to go through because he stayed in the US all the way through, which was obviously an unfair advantage)
Froch would do better in Nottingham with the crowd behind him, but Ward beats Froch anywhere.
This fight would never happen. If there's a rematch, it's in the US.
You're probably right though. Stylistically, Ward outboxes Froch.
1.Show me proof you bet on Ward winning. Show a post from the past where you said so.
2.Froch is a live dog in any fight but Andre Ward is just a step above him.
I think Ward vs Froch in Nottingham is a 50/50 fight personally. The reason is because Froch won't try to outbox him the way he did the first fight, he'll just fight him the same way he fought Bute, and that Froch is a very dangerous fighter for Ward. Froch will get inspired by the crowd to put on a show and attack Ward consistently. And Ward can't really hurt Froch (unless he uses the head).
I know most Ward fans brush it off like it's nothing but I seriously believe that Ward will get affected by not having the home advantage, and having to deal with a fairly hostile crowd. Only because we have never seen Ward have to deal with those things at the top level of the game, only as an amateur. Ward will be completely out of his comfort zone from the first bell and to me that will even up the fight considerably. 50/50 fight in the UK.
But if the rematch happened in the US, I think Ward takes it although it'd be a closer fight than last time (on my cards).
Ward is a hell of a good fighter though, there's no doubt about that.
I'm really happy for Froch's great win last week but let's not lie to ourselves here. Andre is always going to be a problem for Froch, it's just boxing science. Support Froch and be a fan but don't try to make him invincible.
note the title mate, i said run it close.
Never said he would smash him to pieces.
Fact is froch Had ALOT of room for improvement, preperatiuon wise, tactically and where it could be held, to run it alot closer.
Plus although froch was poor, i gave it 4 ro8unds to ward, which is no complete brooking...