Ward and Froch should be consider top 5 P4P

I actually thought Dirrell beat Froch quite comfortably. Froch has the heart of a lion, but let's face it he's a limited, robotic euro-fighter who comes to bang. You'll only get but so far with those attributes. It's ridiculous that Froch has gotten this far with his limited skill and gifts. Heart can take a fighter a long way.

Frochs resume is awesome, but his P4P ranking gets killed because he got SCHOOLED, WHOOPED, and DOMINATED by a fighter in the same division he is in (Ward). Now if you want to make a list of best resumes you can rank him as high as you want, but you can be on the top of the p4p list after being dominated.

Ward top 10 pound4pound but froch, I would say no! I would like to see geochemistry go down in weight to middle and win a title; in order to a top pound for pound

In my opinion, Froch would have to avenge the loss to Kessler to break the top 10.

I don't have Dawson in the top 10.

If Carl Froch is in the top 10 does that put Kessler in the top 10 too? Because I saw him beat Froch with my own eyes. So in your mind, i take it Pascal is in the top 10 then? I'm sure i saw him beat Dawson.....

If Carl Froch is in the top 10 does that put Kessler in the top 10 too? Because I saw him beat Froch with my own eyes.

both guys deserve big respect and should both be in the top 10 Froch don`t belong in no top ten in my opinion.His win over Dirrel is highly questionable,he lost to Kessler,he beat a old weight drained past his prime Glen Johnson,an overrated Arthur Abraham and an overrated Bute who never beat anybody.

Their resumes are incredible specialy Froch's, whos being fighting on the road, like crazy. They have fought, the best guys in their division for 3 years now! They deserve to get praise, they put Pacquiao and Mayweather to shame in that sense!! Are You serious?Froch beat a fighter who i and many others said for years that he was overrated and never fought anybody.Froch also lost to Kessler,and as far as Dirrel,I don`t care what the judges say and i don`t care if Froch fans want to be delusional,Froch clearly lost to Dirrel. And Ward and Froch has not accomplished anywhere near what Floyd ,Pacquiao,Juan Manuel Marquez,Hopkins and even Chad Dawson has accomplished.How are you gonna just bypass fighters with way better resumes and put Ward and Froch in front of them? It seems like anytime somebody gets a couple of decent wins people are ready to crown the boxer p4p.

both guys deserve big respect and should both be in the top 10

What do you mean by skill? Define it. It's not a common sense thing at all. There are people who think speed is a skill for instance. It's not. I'm curious how you're using it. Bute would be assumed as more skilled before last Saturday by some but Froch outboxed as much as outpunched him. How? Yeah, I mean Froch gets dropped all the time by guys like Bergman, Millett, walks backwards with his hands straight down to get dropped by Tszyu and Cory Spinks; he's never been wobbled all over the ring by a Baldomir much less lost to one. Froch is just the sort of mentally tough fighter Judah has almost never been able to deal with. So, again, if Judah is what you mean by 'skill,' define skill. LOL Yeah. 'Skill.' Judah was better at doing flashy moves, was blessed with more speed and one punch pop, and was WAY better at getting beat. http://fotozup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/funny-owned-18-500x356.jpg

Yeah, I mean Froch gets dropped all the time by guys like Bergman, Millett, walks backwards with his hands straight down to get dropped by Tszyu and Cory Spinks; he's never been wobbled all over the ring by a Baldomir much less lost to one. Froch is just the sort of mentally tough fighter Judah has almost never been able to deal with. So, again, if Judah is what you mean by 'skill,' define skill. LOL Yeah. 'Skill.' :rofl::rofl::rofl: For f***'s sake, people don't get it at all with Judah. Lol @ Judah at his best is better than Froch. Judah was better at doing flashy moves, was blessed with more speed and one punch pop, and was WAY better at getting beat. he's the type of person that believes stephon marbury is better than john stockton because stephon has better cross over dribbles than stockton. he's that type. & yall know what i mean.

Lol @ Judah at his best is better than Froch. Judah was better at doing flashy moves, was blessed with more speed and one punch pop, and was WAY better at getting beat.

Not currently but at his best Judah is 10x better than Froch ever was or could be. :rofl::rofl::rofl: For f***'s sake, people don't get it at all with Judah.

Go read the f**king definition if u want to learn the definition or you could just use common sense like I advised earlier. LOL Yeah. 'Skill.'

Yeah, I mean Froch gets dropped all the time by guys like Bergman, Millett, walks backwards with his hands straight down to get dropped by Tszyu and Cory Spinks; he's never been wobbled all over the ring by a Baldomir much less lost to one. Froch is just the sort of mentally tough fighter Judah has almost never been able to deal with. So, again, if Judah is what you mean by 'skill,' define skill. Go read the f**king definition if u want to learn the definition or you could just use common sense like I advised earlier.

I stand by my claim. Froch is nowhere near as good as Judah at his best. Yeah, I mean Froch gets dropped all the time by guys like Bergman, Millett, walks backwards with his hands straight down to get dropped by Tszyu and Cory Spinks; he's never been wobbled all over the ring by a Baldomir much less lost to one. Froch is just the sort of mentally tough fighter Judah has almost never been able to deal with. So, again, if Judah is what you mean by 'skill,' define skill.

froch is good but i dont think hes in the p4p at all money pacman ward martinez marquez donaire w.klits bradley mares dawson i dont think hes better than any of those guys hes got a chin in the ball park of B hop so he should be above Wlad

I stand by my claim. Froch is nowhere near as good as Judah at his best. Well it's all opinion I suppose, I disagree. I like Judah, he is skilled and 5 world titles is nothing to sniff at however given his performances in big fights I believe he turned out to be a B+ fighter who everyone first thought was going to be A+. Good fighter not a great one.

Use common sense. If you think Froch is a skillful boxer something is wrong with you. What do you mean by skill? Define it. It's not a common sense thing at all. There are people who think speed is a skill for instance. It's not. I'm curious how you're using it. Bute would be assumed as more skilled before last Saturday by some but Froch outboxed as much as outpunched him. How?