UNDEFEATED RECORDS need CONSTANT VERIFICATION; Thank you Carl Froch

The OP probably hasn't even watched a Ricardo Lopez fight in his life. He wiki'd him before he made the thread.

The OP probably hasn't even watched a Ricardo Lopez fight in his life.

well i talked about floyd because u mentioned him in responses to other posters ( i could've sworn i typed that) and he happens to be my favorite fighter. But i'll indulge you a bit. two are hof already and considered all time greats on most ppls lists and slappy will probably be there too. so i dont really see where your getting at with the whole "verification" thing on them. I mentioned Chavez jr because i wanted to show a difference between fighters like him, alvarez, bute (well at least until yesterday) being undefeated and mayweather and ward being undefeated. Remember, im not saying your wrong on your topic because i do agree with the statement "undefeated records need constant verification" I just disagree if you somehow feel Mayweather and Ward arent passing the bar so to speak. just as i suspected. So you dont see the correlation between maricano, calzaghe, & floyd? To a certain extent ricardo lopez? be back after the spurs okc game...

ok lets take out junior chavez. Lets talk about marciano, calzaghe, & ricardo lopez along with floyd. ohh wait you're just an expert on floyd. well i talked about floyd because u mentioned him in responses to other posters ( i could've sworn i typed that) and he happens to be my favorite fighter. But i'll indulge you a bit. two are hof already and considered all time greats on most ppls lists and slappy will probably be there too. so i dont really see where your getting at with the whole "verification" thing on them. I mentioned Chavez jr because i wanted to show a difference between fighters like him, alvarez, bute (well at least until yesterday) being undefeated and mayweather and ward being undefeated. Remember, im not saying your wrong on your topic because i do agree with the statement "undefeated records need constant verification" I just disagree if you somehow feel Mayweather and Ward arent passing the bar so to speak.

ROFL "softened" him up. We aren't comparing DLH to Floyd or BH to Floyd or Maidana to Floyd. Every thread eventually comes down to Floyd vs Pacquiao and whatever bad Floyd has done, pacquiao has done worse. . Yeah but then Pac beats DLH in 8 rounds unlike Floyd. FLoyds fans dont mind Floyd fights peoples used goods as long as they arent Pacs used goods. The reason for this is that they are obsessed with Pac, and obsessed with the idea that Floyd is not seen as inferior to Pac. It dont matter to floyd fans, that Floyd is inferior to the greats of yesteryear, but have an obsession with Floyd being the best of this era, which he aint.

Yep, but Pac softened JMM up for Floyd didnt he, JMM kissing the canvas 3 times in a round. DLH beat SSM and hernandez b4 floyd BH and Tito beat DLH b4 floyd Maidana beat Ortiz b4 floyd, Floyd only takes leftovers, the leftover king, but not neccesarily Pacs leftovers. Floyds not choosy, he'll take anyones used goods. ROFL "softened" him up. We aren't comparing DLH to Floyd or BH to Floyd or Maidana to Floyd. Every thread eventually comes down to Floyd vs Pacquiao and whatever bad Floyd has done, pacquiao has done worse. Hopkins and Tito beat Dela Hoya before Floyd, then Hopkins, Tito and Floyd beat DLH before Pacquiao. I am almost astounded that you can't that far ahead in your posts. Either you are trolling OR you really are moron. Either way you are ignored.

Floyd - Cotto Pacquiao - Mosley Marqeuz Delahoya Hatton I don't consider Marquez being beaten by Pacquiao because those fights were two close to call... However when Floyd waxed that ass, it wasn't too close to call. sad. Now go crawl back under your rock.. Yep, but Pac softened JMM up for Floyd didnt he, JMM kissing the canvas 3 times in a round. DLH beat SSM and hernandez b4 floyd BH and Tito beat DLH b4 floyd Maidana beat Ortiz b4 floyd, Floyd only takes leftovers, the leftover king, but not neccesarily Pacs leftovers. Floyds not choosy, he'll take anyones used goods.

another misinformed floyd stan. Cant even get his facts straight. sad. You're the one that needs to try again. Floyd - Cotto Pacquiao - Mosley Marqeuz Delahoya Hatton I don't consider Marquez being beaten by Pacquiao because those fights were two close to call... However when Floyd waxed that ass, it wasn't too close to call. sad. Now go crawl back under your rock..

Floyd has fought 1 person after Pacquiao has beaten them. Pacquiao has fought 4 after Floyd. Try again nerd. another misinformed floyd stan. Cant even get his facts straight. sad. You're the one that needs to try again.

While i agree with the thread topic, it kind of seems like the ts is a little off when he mentions mayweather and ward. Ward is proven but yes i do agree that he does need to keep verifying it which is why he is about to fight chad dawson. So i dont understand why he was mentioned. You've responded with floyds name a few times in responses so i'll touch on that. Like it or not floyd proved it again by just going up in weight again with no catch weights to fight at 154( a weight he has only fought in once 5 yrs ago) and took the #1 jmw's belt. In floyd's last two fights he has dethroned two champs and would have been 3 had he decided to pay sanction fees for mosleys belt. All of them have been in the top 3 (not five) for that weight class or in the world. Mosley- #1ww at the time if im not mistaken and #3 p4p, Ortiz - #2 WW, Cotto #1 jmw. He doesnt rank these ppl but he is damn sure beating them. Is that not what a proven fighter is supposed to do to keep verifying his status? Beat the highest ranked fighters in his division constantly? Should he fight the #9 or 10 guy or fight the non ranked guys because you think they're "prime" and could beat him? Floyd Mayweather has been in, at, or near the top of every p4p list since 1998 and he started pro in 97 (by comparison pacquiao didnt get there till 2003 and started a year before mayweather did) You seem to put a lot of emphasis on prime hof's, but How many guys at 147- 154 are prime HOF's right now that floyd could fight? Is that his fault? How is he to kno who is Prime, Hof worthy, and is sure fire goin in there soon? There is probably a good chance that Chico, Hatton, Castillo, maybe getting in there one day will that verify Mayweather for you? All of them were prime when they got spanked. Maybe Ortiz will get in there in the future, will that mean that a past prime mayweather beat a prime hof ortiz, or will it mean that ortiz was just green? To me its kinda hard to verify somebody's greatness through hof opponents because you never really kno who's going to the hof until they retire or reach the status that mayweather himself is at now. Mayweather has fought and beaten the #1 ranked fighter in every division he has been in (not sure about 140 at the time) and he's made most of them look easy. through all the duck talk and scared talk, there is a reason why Mayweather and Ward are ranked so highly and other undeafeated fighters like chavez jr are not. Think about it for a moment. ok lets take out junior chavez. Lets talk about marciano, calzaghe, & ricardo lopez along with floyd. ohh wait you're just an expert on floyd.

In other words, once you get knocked the f*ck out by a jungle bum like Pacquiao did, you are free to cherry pick bullsh1t fights with bullsh1t catchweights against bullsh1t opponents. Yeah pretty much this. But

When Pac fights people, haters say they are cherry picked BS opponent, when FLoyd fights them, they are reborn supposedly? Dont assume Floyd can beat opponents with CWs. Cotto would bloody floyds nose at 145 just like he did at 154. Floyd has fought 1 person after Pacquiao has beaten them. Pacquiao has fought 4 after Floyd. Try again nerd.

In other words, once you get knocked the f*ck out by a jungle bum like Pacquiao did, you are free to cherry pick bullsh1t fights with bullsh1t catchweights against bullsh1t opponents. When Pac fights people, haters say they are cherry picked BS opponent, when FLoyd fights them, they are reborn supposedly? Dont assume Floyd can beat opponents with CWs. Cotto would bloody floyds nose at 145 just like he did at 154.

In other words, once you get knocked the f*ck out by a jungle bum like Pacquiao did, you are free to cherry pick bullsh1t fights with bullsh1t catchweights against bullsh1t opponents.

While i agree with the thread topic, it kind of seems like the ts is a little off when he mentions mayweather and ward. Ward is proven but yes i do agree that he does need to keep verifying it which is why he is about to fight chad dawson. So i dont understand why he was mentioned. You've responded with floyds name a few times in responses so i'll touch on that. Like it or not floyd proved it again by just going up in weight again with no catch weights to fight at 154( a weight he has only fought in once 5 yrs ago) and took the #1 jmw's belt. In floyd's last two fights he has dethroned two champs and would have been 3 had he decided to pay sanction fees for mosleys belt. All of them have been in the top 3 (not five) for that weight class or in the world. Mosley- #1ww at the time if im not mistaken and #3 p4p, Ortiz - #2 WW, Cotto #1 jmw. He doesnt rank these ppl but he is damn sure beating them. Is that not what a proven fighter is supposed to do to keep verifying his status? Beat the highest ranked fighters in his division constantly? Should he fight the #9 or 10 guy or fight the non ranked guys because you think they're "prime" and could beat him? Floyd Mayweather has been in, at, or near the top of every p4p list since 1998 and he started pro in 97 (by comparison pacquiao didnt get there till 2003 and started a year before mayweather did) You seem to put a lot of emphasis on prime hof's, but How many guys at 147- 154 are prime HOF's right now that floyd could fight? Is that his fault? How is he to kno who is Prime, Hof worthy, and is sure fire goin in there soon? There is probably a good chance that Chico, Hatton, Castillo, maybe getting in there one day will that verify Mayweather for you? All of them were prime when they got spanked. Maybe Ortiz will get in there in the future, will that mean that a past prime mayweather beat a prime hof ortiz, or will it mean that ortiz was just green? To me its kinda hard to verify somebody's greatness through hof opponents because you never really kno who's going to the hof until they retire or reach the status that mayweather himself is at now. Mayweather has fought and beaten the #1 ranked fighter in every division he has been in (not sure about 140 at the time) and he's made most of them look easy. through all the duck talk and scared talk, there is a reason why Mayweather and Ward are ranked so highly and other undeafeated fighters like chavez jr are not. Think about it for a moment. If the TS was really serious he woulkd have put mannys last 10 years on the same list. So its clear what's up.

While i agree with the thread topic, it kind of seems like the ts is a little off when he mentions mayweather and ward. Ward is proven but yes i do agree that he does need to keep verifying it which is why he is about to fight chad dawson. So i dont understand why he was mentioned. You've responded with floyds name a few times in responses so i'll touch on that. Like it or not floyd proved it again by just going up in weight again with no catch weights to fight at 154( a weight he has only fought in once 5 yrs ago) and took the #1 jmw's belt. In floyd's last two fights he has dethroned two champs and would have been 3 had he decided to pay sanction fees for mosleys belt. All of them have been in the top 3 (not five) for that weight class or in the world. Mosley- #1ww at the time if im not mistaken and #3 p4p, Ortiz - #2 WW, Cotto #1 jmw. He doesnt rank these ppl but he is damn sure beating them. Is that not what a proven fighter is supposed to do to keep verifying his status? Beat the highest ranked fighters in his division constantly? Should he fight the #9 or 10 guy or fight the non ranked guys because you think they're "prime" and could beat him? Floyd Mayweather has been in, at, or near the top of every p4p list since 1998 and he started pro in 97 (by comparison pacquiao didnt get there till 2003 and started a year before mayweather did) You seem to put a lot of emphasis on prime hof's, but How many guys at 147- 154 are prime HOF's right now that floyd could fight? Is that his fault? How is he to kno who is Prime, Hof worthy, and is sure fire goin in there soon? There is probably a good chance that Chico, Hatton, Castillo, maybe getting in there one day will that verify Mayweather for you? All of them were prime when they got spanked. Maybe Ortiz will get in there in the future, will that mean that a past prime mayweather beat a prime hof ortiz, or will it mean that ortiz was just green? To me its kinda hard to verify somebody's greatness through hof opponents because you never really kno who's going to the hof until they retire or reach the status that mayweather himself is at now. Mayweather has fought and beaten the #1 ranked fighter in every division he has been in (not sure about 140 at the time) and he's made most of them look easy. through all the duck talk and scared talk, there is a reason why Mayweather and Ward are ranked so highly and other undeafeated fighters like chavez jr are not. Think about it for a moment.

Next up for verification is Tim Bradley by way of Manny Pacquiao. Hopefully Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. follows suit & Andre Ward continues to do so. Floyd Jr..... well, that might be a hopeless cause. Comparing mayweathers competition to bradley or butes is utter stupidity.

Its true you can be favourite against someone just cos you are unbeaten like bute was. If FLoyd was favourite against Pac, it would only be cos he is unbeaten, cos lets face it Pa c should be favourite against Floyd. Floyd dont test himself on a regular basis so is protecting himself.......a challenge once in a while isnt what id call putting it on the line. But perhaps cotto should have did what Froch did. Just go for Floyd and expose him not be nicey nicey but rough floyd up.

Fyi, MJ did not prove shyt. He played in a era where the 2nd best guard was name Clyde Drexter. Mj's era was dominated by Big men. Go look at the rankings for top players from 1988 to 1998. 80% of them were bigs . The guard position from 88 to 98 was ****ing ****. There is a big difference dominating God damn Byron Russell day after day and running circles around retards like John Starks and going to war against the likes of Iverson-Mccgrady-Kobe-Carter-Francis-Marbury (all prime) then going right into Wade Lebron Durant Kobe- etc If MJ was in this guard dominated era he will be another Wade Mods please ban this foo

Fyi, MJ did not prove shyt. He played in a era where the 2nd best guard was name Clyde Drexter. Mj's era was dominated by Big men. Go look at the rankings for top players from 1988 to 1998. 80% of them were bigs . The guard position from 88 to 98 was ****ing ****. There is a big difference dominating God damn Byron Russell day after day and running circles around retards like John Starks and going to war against the likes of Iverson-Mccgrady-Kobe-Carter-Francis-Marbury (all prime) then going right into Wade Lebron Durant Kobe- etc If MJ was in this guard dominated era he will be another Wade :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Is this mak or tua?