So you guys really think Pacquaio is better than Pernell Whitaker? last 20 years poll

I think if he wasn't prime he was very close. He may not have been physically at his peak but in terms of skill, IQ, technical ability along with being close to his physical best, I think 03 was Barrera's peak. We are talking about a boxer who liked to get into slugfests not a plumber or electrician. Aren't you in the health field too? Wouldn't it be kind of obvious that a guy fighting for 13 years wouldn't be at his peak anymore? Maybe after 7 or 8 years but 13? Not too sure about those health credentials anymore bro. A 13 year pro barely at his peak? :Flush:

Ha ha wow great unbiased breakdown i dono if youre being sarcastic or not, but if you're not, than thanks, and if you are, then still thanks...

you make it sound as if it is impossible to prove one fighter is better than the other. its quite simple in this case. manny is a come forward brawler with awkward throwing angles which make him off balance, and has lots of power. pea is a skilled boxer with some power, great speed, amazing defense, great ring IQ, and awesome generalship in the ring, not to mention his eons and eons of skill level as compared to a "puncher" Im no scientist or anything, but that to me is proof that pea is a better fighter than manny. there ARE ways to prove fighters are better than other fighters, by, you know, watching them fight... Ha ha wow great unbiased breakdown

I think it is pretty close, in terms of accomplishments and as a fighter. I give pernell a clear edge though. I would have loved to watch the fight, I don't think either has beaten a fighter greater than the other. Whitakers wins over Chavez and Nelson are decisive in this argument, but I personally would not rate either above Pacquiao. Manny's wins over Barrera, Morales, and Cotto were very impressive to me, but clearly not in the same league as Pernell. I know people are going to crucify me for this but I also see Marquez as a greater fighter p4p than Chavez was. Marquez is a special fighter, and anyone who disagrees with that is silly.

Time and time again, it's always another senseless debate over who is better than who, with idiots trying to PROVE it as if there was definite supporting evidence. I don't know how you can say any one fighter is better than the other in this case? I think if they fought a trilogy Manny would win at least twice. But that does NOT mean he is a "better fighter" you make it sound as if it is impossible to prove one fighter is better than the other. its quite simple in this case. manny is a come forward brawler with awkward throwing angles which make him off balance, and has lots of power. pea is a skilled boxer with some power, great speed, amazing defense, great ring IQ, and awesome generalship in the ring, not to mention his eons and eons of skill level as compared to a "puncher" Im no scientist or anything, but that to me is proof that pea is a better fighter than manny. there ARE ways to prove fighters are better than other fighters, by, you know, watching them fight...

Time and time again, it's always another senseless debate over who is better than who, with idiots trying to PROVE it as if there was definite supporting evidence. I don't know how you can say any one fighter is better than the other in this case? I think if they fought a trilogy Manny would win at least twice. But that does NOT mean he is a "better fighter"

That guy isn't 44. Trolling is something you do in your pre-teens. I can't imagine a grown ass man, trolling behind a computer screen i will have to wholeheartedly disagree with you. I think that he is in his 40s, and I think he started watching boxing in his late 30s, early 40s, and has not heard about sweet pea until doin a quick google search and seein de la hoya beat him in 97, and pac beat delahoya in 08, and so that automatically makes pac better. this guy is not a troll, he is sadly dead serious in his thought process. shame...

the guy is a loony toon clearly. he thinks cause he is older and has watched fights for a long time (allegedly) that he can enlighten us all as to why pac is better than sweet pea LMAO I cant even say that with a straight face. I am willing to wager where Pacdbest is from... I guess p@ctards come in all shapes and sizes...and ages too... That guy isn't 44. Trolling is something you do in your pre-teens. I can't imagine a grown ass man, trolling behind a computer screen

Hasnt been knocked down properly for a long time if i remember correctly thats what i meant and he is fighting very good fighters and fights regularly. Pacquiao has been knocked down, knocked out, outboxed, outclassed, and embarrassed by a 38 year old lightweight. Can't say the same for SweetPea

Man, the guys name says it all! :rofl: How in the world can you compare their common opponent when the fights took place a decade apart?!?!?!? :thinking: the guy is a loony toon clearly. he thinks cause he is older and has watched fights for a long time (allegedly) that he can enlighten us all as to why pac is better than sweet pea LMAO I cant even say that with a straight face. I am willing to wager where Pacdbest is from... I guess p@ctards come in all shapes and sizes...and ages too...

common opponent?? one of the funniest comparisons I've seen in a while, oscar of 97 vs pea compared to oscar of 2008 vs manny. nice... manny is nowhere near pea's league of skills or savvy, the only thing manny has over pea is number of fans and popularity. Man, the guys name says it all! :rofl: How in the world can you compare their common opponent when the fights took place a decade apart?!?!?!? :thinking:

I'm in my 40s and seen from Ali, to leonard to tyson and now Pac! Yes Pac's a much greater fighter! Power is a Great equalizer and Pee has non of that! He might have a greatest defence but u know already that the greatest defensive fighter of this era was scared of Pac! they have one common opponent, dlh! Pac gave dlh a beatdown of his life while pee lost s close one! common opponent?? one of the funniest comparisons I've seen in a while, oscar of 97 vs pea compared to oscar of 2008 vs manny. nice... manny is nowhere near pea's league of skills or savvy, the only thing manny has over pea is number of fans and popularity.

:lol1::lol1: 13 years as a pro, 3 losses, 1 by KO, more than a few wars does not make one prime. I think if he wasn't prime he was very close. He may not have been physically at his peak but in terms of skill, IQ, technical ability along with being close to his physical best, I think 03 was Barrera's peak.

What big fights did Oscar want while in Top Rank that Arum didn't want to make? I don't even think I saw Whitaker on the poll Barrera was prime in the first fight. I don't know if boxrec can tell you that. But, he was. :lol1::lol1: 13 years as a pro, 3 losses, 1 by KO, more than a few wars does not make one prime.

Man some of you guys must just started watching boxing like five years ago....Pernell Whitaker(late 80's mid 90's) and Roy Jones(mid 90's-early 2000s) were undoubtedly the best fighters of their time... Pacquaio hasnt even shown he is the best fighter of his era, and actually got the title "best fighter p4p" by default just because Mayweather had retired after the Ricky Hatton fight...Mayweather was a top 5 p4p guy for the past 12 years and has beaten more champions is more skillful as well Im a fan of both fighters but really...for me its Either Pernell Whitaker or Jones who should be considered the best of the past 20 years.....until Manny and Floyd fight each other this era is just 1a and 1b no one proved they are the best yet if you arent even considered the best of your time how can you be the best of the last 20 years? I'm in my 40s and seen from Ali, to leonard to tyson and now Pac! Yes Pac's a much greater fighter! Power is a Great equalizer and Pee has non of that! He might have a greatest defence but u know already that the greatest defensive fighter of this era was scared of Pac! they have one common opponent, dlh! Pac gave dlh a beatdown of his life while pee lost s close one!

Pernell + Roy > than FMJ and MAnny

............ What are you on? Hasnt been knocked down properly for a long time if i remember correctly thats what i meant and he is fighting very good fighters and fights regularly.

Pac is the greater, more dominant fighter, only having difficulty with JMM. Pernel on the other hand has 100 different ways of avoiding being punched, but that dont make you better. Hes better at making people miss, but that dont make you greater, as Pac has dominated everyone anyway, and hasnt been knocked down so probaby isnt too bad at not being hit. Unless hes got a concrete chin and has relied on that. ............ What are you on?

Pac is the greater, more dominant fighter, only having difficulty with JMM. Pernel on the other hand has 100 different ways of avoiding being punched, but that dont make you better. Hes better at making people miss, but that dont make you greater, as Pac has dominated everyone anyway, and hasnt been knocked down so probaby isnt too bad at not being hit. Unless hes got a concrete chin and has relied on that.

Pac and pea are the best southpaws of all time. I have pea ranked higher right now. If pac walks through bradley that will probably change. LOL-you mean after he walks through a guy who is a weightclass lower than Pac? That will make him greater than Pernell??? smh