All this P.E.D stuff is making me question the history of the sport

cannot be overstated i played hockey for 15-20 years i saw guys get knocked out cold. i've knocked both boys and men out myself, unfortunately. smelling salts WORK they fucking work. i have never been in a state where i've needed them, but i've seen them extensively. you used to be able to scrape a fighter off of the canvas when the bell rang as well. you could carry him back to the corner when he was virtually unconscious and on the ground. or if he was out on his feet you could assist him back to the corner. they'd hit him with the salts and get water on his head and if he was in shape and a great fighter he would have a chance of working his way back into a fight after being all but out cold. Powerful stuff those salts. Thanks for sharing your story.

If I were boxing my routine would consist of Sprints Oly Lifts Compound Lifts Calisthenics/Accessory Work Stretching So as a template I'd do something like this Earlier in the day Sprints - 100 meters x 8-10 For the actual routine Dynamic Stretching - 10 minutes Power Cleans 7x3 @ progressively higher weights Barbell Row 12, 10, 8, 6 Chins- Bodyweight 20, 20, 20, 20 Stretching - Cooldown I do not see this exercise preparing a fighter for the 11th and 12th rounds of a fight.

No they don't What the hell is a "bodybuilding exercise"? Bodybuilding is a way of training. There are no bodybuilding exercises. An exercise performed a certain way for a certain amount of reps the reason behind doing it is what is important. Power Cleans are for bodybuilders? Good God. Talk about retarded statements. You're a fuking idiot my friend. No I criticized the use of solely calisthenics for hundreds of reps. Jesus and you call me retarded. You can't even read :lol1: Coming from a clown who never fought, was never a coach and doesn't even belong to a boxing gym yet "knows" how we train? You sir are the definition of an idiot. Have fun in your bubble you fvcking dink:loser::rofl::rofl:

i doubt they did boxers had more pride back then Pride? It wasnt illegal tho

If I were boxing my routine would consist of Sprints Oly Lifts Compound Lifts Calisthenics/Accessory Work Stretching So as a template I'd do something like this Earlier in the day Sprints - 100 meters x 8-10 For the actual routine Dynamic Stretching - 10 minutes Power Cleans 7x3 @ progressively higher weights Barbell Row 12, 10, 8, 6 Chins- Bodyweight 20, 20, 20, 20 Stretching - Cooldown Wow that is cutting edge, Every boxer on the planet streches and sprints then you mention 3 bodybuilding exercises that have been around as long as barbells and a calisthenic that you just criticized 5 min ago. ya u should be champ in no time.:lol1::lol1::fing26:

I've seen plenty of boxers training. Boxing from a physical standpoint along with MMA is Power/Endurance Power/Recovery. Obviously Not with retarded statements like your earlier post.

There may have been some enhancers back then probably more natural than the synthetic stuff of today. We won't know for sure. Heck they used to use smelling salts to revive fighters in their corners back in the day. cannot be overstated i played hockey for 15-20 years i saw guys get knocked out cold. i've knocked both boys and men out myself, unfortunately. smelling salts WORK they fucking work. i have never been in a state where i've needed them, but i've seen them extensively. you used to be able to scrape a fighter off of the canvas when the bell rang as well. you could carry him back to the corner when he was virtually unconscious and on the ground. or if he was out on his feet you could assist him back to the corner. they'd hit him with the salts and get water on his head and if he was in shape and a great fighter he would have a chance of working his way back into a fight after being all but out cold.

How would you know that current stone age boxing training is the only way to train for boxing when you refuse to try anything else? Boxing still has their fighters doing hundreds of push-ups, sit-ups and pull-ups. Do you know how little all that translates to a power/endurance sport? No sport is about who the best is at exercising except for the phaggy time crossfit games on ESPN. But it's time to wake up and get with the times. Then what would your recommended updated training methods be. Not trying to be a dick, just genuinely interested on new training methods for boxing.

How would you know that current stone age boxing training is the only way to train for boxing when you refuse to try anything else? Boxers still have their fighters doing hundred of push-ups, sit-ups and pull-ups. Do you know how little all that translates to a power/endurance sport? No sport is about who the best is at exercising except for the phaggy time crossfit games on ESPN. But it's time to wake up and get with the times. You've never seen boxers train if you think that retard. Go get a membership at a real boxing gym for a while. Be ready to fight in the gym though "power/endurance sport" boy.

http://www.crossfit34.com/images/posts/6114283939943ddb_657x456.jpg ^^^^^ Steroids in the 1970s Steroids are the same now as they were then clueless. Name 1 besides Victor contes that u can get now that you couldn't before? And his was about detection not results. The difference now is mega dosing.

Just roll my fvcking eyes your seriously dense :rolleyes9: I'm dense? :lol1: I'm not the one giving athletes the benefit of the doubt in using drugs. You could give an athlete back them rat poison telling them it would make thier punches .001% higher and they'd take it Being "dense" is not even imagining athletes at least trying steroids which help Russia tremendously on the 1952 Olympics :rolleyes:

more honest??why cause they are old school??they cheated they ass off to..they used loaded gloves and put stuff on their gloves,they threw fights for the Mob honest my ass ..... :lol1:

Not sure where you are getting your info but Testosterone was the first synthesized steroid and it's still used today and is by no means "crude" or makes you muscle bound. And in the 80's and even earlier than that, there were still tons of steroids available like tren, deca, winstrol among others. There isn't much available today that wasn't available in the 80's. The issue is not the steroids, it's ignorance on the part of the people who were using and administrating them, which in this case I have to side with Russian. Dosing plays a big part in what you get out of a steroid, along with how your train and how you diet, and boxing is probably the most ignorant sport in existence even today when it comes to understanding the human body and training principles. In some ways boxing, in respect to strength training is still stuck in the 60's. What the reason for that is, I'm not sure Because boxing training works for boxing. It's not a contest to see who's the best at exercising.

Look at Aaron Pryor. The guy goes down a legend off performances like the Arguello fight, when he was fully hopped up on PED asthma pills.

HOw do we know this stuff didnt start back in the ALi days, hell maybe even before. What about Foreman, Tyson, Evander, Lennox, Ali, the list goes on. Do you think boxing is tainted now because we will never know who the hell was on "undetected" PED's. Dammit. Steroids were legal until 1990. That's when they became a controlled substance.

And they couldn't until the 90s. Apparently what you don't get is that 'roids available to athletes in the past are not the same as the 'roids developed in the more recent past. The steroids available prior to the '80s DID make you muscle bound and they DID screw your reflexes. Steroids that DON'T have those side-effects are a much more recent development. Poet Steroids don't miraculously make your muscle bound, they did if you worked really hard for simply that result Another thing is that most of those side effects didn't come out until years later. It's not that you took them and them couldn't bend your arms a min later Therefore nothing stopped any athlete from those years from at least experimenting with them

What part of the following aren't you getting? >>>>> Oh please never stopped boxing from experimenting with them And it's all speculation on what could have happened, mostly on ridiculous dosages For a long time it was thought that pitchers in baseball couldn't be on it because it ruined flexibility :rolleyes:

Do you have reading comprehension problems or do you just chose to ignore the parts that don't suit your agenda? I spoke very specifically about low doses and high doses. Try again Junior. Poet And you don't think experimentation with getting the exact dosage wasn't going on? Inject too much testosterone and you won't be able to wipe your ass, yet inject a tiny tiny bit and it won't help you a bit Dosages

Well according to people with more knowledge than you or I, steroids/PED's mainly started in baseball and football in the Mid/Late 70's. To make the notion that Ali used, which is something TS talked about, is ridiculous. What about him suggests using???? I just can't imagine boxers using in the 60's when looking at them. Who knows though??? I think the era that had a lot of it was Leonard-Duran-Hagler-Hearns-Holmes. Why not? Fighters in the 60's seemed to have better stamina than fighters today. Look at Dick Tiger for example. Chizzled, look's like he's been calved out of wood. Not saying he was on anything but I don't know how you can say "By looking at them, they look clean".

Well according to people with more knowledge than you or I, steroids/PED's mainly started in baseball and football in the Mid/Late 70's. To make the notion that Ali used, which is something TS talked about, is ridiculous. What about him suggests using???? I just can't imagine boxers using in the 60's when looking at them. Who knows though??? I think the era that had a lot of it was Leonard-Duran-Hagler-Hearns-Holmes. "mainly started" Key words there. Basicaly when everyone started using them. Doesn't mean they weren't experimented with much earlier