Victor Ortiz Has Passed WADA, USADA and VADA Testing

I fnd it hilarious how all the figters who acuse others of juicein are the ones juicing peterson berto makes floyd suspect I find it funny how you say this makes Floyd look suspect when Floyd took 3 random test and passed with flying colors and the boxer on your Avatar was asked to take 1 and turned it down and he`s 47 years old fighting like a 27 year old.

don't question the guys who are taking test, question the fighters who don't want to take any extra test!

I believe he did. Cotto probably won the same amount of rounds as Oscar. But, Cotto caught Floyd with more solid harder punches than the pitty pats and bull**** flurries that Oscar was throwing. But, then again Floyd played it more safe against Oscar. And, with Oscar he was more on cruise control. Your condom, example would hold true if it was year round...Now if it was year round even though you could still beat it. I would be surprised if we find out he was juicing. 8-12 weeks out of a year sometimes 16 months? No I wouldn't be surprised Yes I understand the context that you are using it. It's the same context of being surprise that Peterson and Berto are juicing since they were the ones who demanded it and asked for it. And, this is the context that you are using it in. Since Berto and Peterson asked for it they deserved the benefit of the doubt(before hand) and that we should be surprise that they juiced. But, I'm NOT, I'm sorry that I'm not sorry that guys that go out of their way to asked for better testing and demanded better juiced. If you are surprise that they were on the juice, fine. But, I am not.While I acknowledge your point about the testing not being year round, you continue to misrepresent the context in which I'm making my point. No, I'm not as surprised at Berto or Peterson for being caught as I would be if it were Mayweather. I wouldn't have spoken a word to vouch for either of those guys as far them having any benefit of the doubt. Actions always speak louder than words. Mayweather has submitted himself to the level of testing that caught those 2 for his last 3 fights. Those guys had not done what Mayweather had done. This is what I mean, obviously you don't understand my context in saying that Mayweather deserves more benefit of the doubt compared to his peers.Floyd is clean. Period. He is a high profile athlete and all eyes are on him. He asked for the tests. With the whole world watching him, he would be beyond stupid to even RISK getting getting caught, even if the chances were minor, and the news going viral, ruining whatever good reputation he has as a Boxer, who is already hated for other reasons. All it takes on one part is using some deductive reasoning to arrive to a logical conclusion. This politically correct nonsense of, "all of them might be on something because there is no way of knowing", isn't cutting it. Roman might be a disgruntled fan who was originally Pro-Pacquiao, but has now become a George Carlin type cynic, damning them all.Thank you. I don't know a simpler way to put it.

Fighters that are willing to go beyond the current testing standards absolutely deserve the benefit of the doubt over the ones who don't. It might not be perfect but they are doing more than their peers.

No doubt he didn't he cycle on and off between Ortiz and Cotto. Maybe that's why he took more punishment than normal against Cotto? He had more than enough time to cycle on and off between Mosley and Ortiz. Who knows...That is why it is silly and naive to give him or anyone the benefit of the doubt. And, be surprised for. Not sure what your point is here? He still took the same test Ortiz did with USADA and VADA. And, we know that at one point in time Mosley juiced. Why give Ortiz the benefit of the doubt that he didn't do the same?/ When it comes to Floyd taking more punishment than normal it means he's loss a few rounds as opposed to pitching a shut out. I didn't see him taking too much punishment, but don't forget he was fighting at 54 for only the 2nd time. Did he take more punishment against Cotto than against DLH? I don't think so. You keep saying that it's naive to give someone the benefit of the doubt and I'm starting to think that you don't understand the phrase means in the context that I'm using it in. I've already acknowledged the possibility that Mayweather is "beating" the tests, but it's less likely that he's juicing in comparison to a fighter who isn't subject to his level of testing. Condoms aren't 100% but you'd be surprised if you impregnated a woman while using 1.

Then again a lot of athletes use PEDs for recovery and to speed up that process, so it's possible that Mayweather is using but I'd still be surprised(in context). My point remains though, you have to respect the guys willing to go beyond the standard when we know the standard is way too low. Those guys get more benefit of the doubt that the guys not willing to go beyond the standard.

Not a cop out at all. You would be surprise if we find out any athlete in this day of age is/were juicing. Because, he was clean for 8-12 weeks out of a year. Good stuff. I was clearly speaking about Mayweather and Ortiz in particular and not just random athletes. I also clearly listed reasons other than just the fact that Mayweather has passed all of his tests. Besides Mayweather announced his fight with Ortiz last June and fought him in September. He announced his fight with Cotto in Feb of this year and just fought him 2 weeks ago. I'm no PED expert but that doesn't seem like a lot of time to be cycling on and off stuff, especially during periods when you're recovering from a fight and not training. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out Mosley was on something for Margarito. Yet he has passed the same tests Ortiz has. Mosley didn't submit to any for of random blood and urine testing before he fought Margarito. He didn't submit to random testing until he fought Floyd, after he fought Margarito.

it's really amusing that the two initiators of more stringent testing for their fights got caught themselves. i think no amount of excuses will clear them completely. rules are rules. if you consume; or exceed a certain level of banned substance then you cannot be clean.... obviously.

"Let the commission do their job!" -Pactards.

Because, you are a naive fool.Too bad, for a second there you seemed like a poster of reasonable intelligence. I doubt that you're capable of understanding my post hence the cop out.

guess you didnt read the sticky..................

Does anybody seriously believe that Floyd is juicy? Because I don't. I think that of all the boxers out there, Floyd is among the least likely to be doping.

If I'm not mistaken Canelo-Mosley was the other fight. Not sure if there was another fight that used VADA Yes. That was it. Thanks. So Shane has passed USADA, VADA and MayADA

I don't care who you are comparing him to. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. If later we find out that Ward, Pac, Floyd, and Ortiz himself were are doping. I wouldn't be surprise with either one of them. It's not something that where I would be more surprise for one fighter. You would have to be a naive fool to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I'm sorry I'm not a naive fool. Call me a hater, call me a cynic all you want. But, I'm not a naive fool my man. And, you can take it in any context you want.Just because you ignore or don't understand context doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. There are obviously different levels of testing and only a fool would ignore or dismiss that. You seem to be saying that because we can never be 100% sure that anyone is completely "clean" then every fighter is under the same level of suspicion, and that just doesn't make any sense. You should be more suspicious of a fighter who is unwilling to go beyond the standard level of drug testing than you are of a fighter who is willin to, that's just common sense. Yes, I would be surprised to find out later that Mayweather or Ortiz are currently juicing. If be surprised to find out that Mayweather is juicing because he's currently the most thoroughly tested boxer in the sport, he's the initiator of this movement for better testing, and I've seen no physical evidence that he's using anything illegal. Ortiz because he's also 1 of the most thoroughly tested fighters in the game. Obviously it's possible that they're both "beating" the tests but I think that it's unlikely and I'd be surprised.

Roy Jones Jermain Taylor Dawson Hopkins Berto Mosley Klitschkos Ward Williams JM Marquez Kessler Abraham I remember you calling someone a cheater and now your list seems to get bigger of supporting boxers that have cheated. :lol1: You mean the cheating piece of sh*t Antonio Margarito? I don't know how is it relevant that the boxers I support are being caught cheating. As long as I'm calling them out for it, you shouldn't mention it. I'm pretty much the opposite of you. You know Margarito was caught chaeting red handed, and still deny it and defend his plater wraps. I on the otherhand support extra testing and I'm glad PED users are being caught and just say "well good luck" to the fighter that got caught, who I support.

If I'm not mistaken VADA has only done 3 fights so far. And, have caught 2 fighters. Crazy stats. What was the third fight Otiz-Berto 2 Khan-Pete ? I lost track

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these small guys are doping as well. It's not just the big muscle bound guys doping. I wonder how many guys in the smaller weights are doping as well. Let's be clear... the small guys dope MORE than the bigger guys. MORE

Good for Victor Ortiz, and Amir Khan as well, Mayweather, Cotto. For being clean. People can say everything they want about Ortiz and his career, but they can't call him a cheater. As for Berto and Peterson, good luck to the both of them recovering from this. They asked for these tests and failed it. I believe they didn't intend to cheat, but they had banned substances in their body and their opponents did not, that's where it ends. Get better nutritionist, coaches, to look out for what you take. I'm a big fan of Berto so I hope he can bounce back from this. Berto: Earthquake. Loss. Bicep. Juice. That's not a good stretch. Tough to be a fan.

I fnd it hilarious how all the figters who acuse others of juicein are the ones juicing peterson berto makes floyd suspect Except Floyd has PASSED his tests. There's that.

Roy Jones Jermain Taylor Dawson Hopkins Berto Mosley Klitschkos Ward Williams JM Marquez Kessler Abraham I remember you calling someone a cheater and now your list seems to get bigger of supporting boxers that have cheated. :lol1: Why didn't you bold Klitschko too?