Has there been another fighter to blast through so many expectations as Pacquiao?

Has there been another fighter that has continued to exceed expectations as Pacquiao has? Pacquiao has shocked the world on so many occasions, so many write him off give him no chance but not only does he cause upsets he annihilates guys that were meant to annihilate him. It is no surprise that Pacquiao loses almost all fantasy fight on here, because people continually underestimate his abilities. But when those same fighters step into the ring with Pacquiao he soon brings them down to his reality. Pacquiao was a 20/1 underdog against Ledwaba but Ledwaba was not only beat he was destroyed. Pacquiao was again an underdog against p4p top 5 fighter Barrera the king pin of the division. Pacquiao gave the Mexican great the worst beating of his career. The fight was against Oscar was meant to be a mismatch, Oscar was meant to destroy him KO him 6. Pacquiao once again was an underdog at 3/1 but Pacquiao took Oscar apart and once again inflicted the worst beating on a HOF fighter. After Pacquiao beat Diaz, he was asked about how far does he think he can go, Pacquiao said Hatton, Cotto was mentioned, and Arum said no, don't be silly Cotto is too big, and all the fight fans agreed that Cotto would destroy Pacquiao. I remember seeing a comment saying if Pacquiao fought Cotto Well about a year later that fight came along and Pacquiao once again not only beat Cotto he destroyed him. Same with Margarito, After the Oscar fight, everyone was saying Margarito would kill Pacquiao. He was too big too strong and Pacquiao should not even consider this fight. And when that fight came along Pacquiao gave Margarito argubably the biggest beating of his life breaking his orbital bone, only Pacquiao's mercy saved Margarito from being KOed. I'm trying to think of other fighters that were written off, not given an chance against there opponent and then making these would be experts look stupid. I can't think of anyone that has done it as many times as Manny Pacquiao, can you? I don't know if this helps or hurt Pac. It sounds unbelievable as in something must be helping him on.

Andre Ward. At the start of Super 6 he was considered too green. Now he is the unquestioned king at 168. I think he surprise a few with the Kessler fight, and AA was favourite to beat him before the tournament, but that only 2 fights.

Has there been another fighter that has continued to exceed expectations as Pacquiao has? Pacquiao has shocked the world on so many occasions, so many write him off give him no chance but not only does he cause upsets he annihilates guys that were meant to annihilate him. It is no surprise that Pacquiao loses almost all fantasy fight on here, because people continually underestimate his abilities. But when those same fighters step into the ring with Pacquiao he soon brings them down to his reality. Pacquiao was a 20/1 underdog against Ledwaba but Ledwaba was not only beat he was destroyed. Pacquiao was again an underdog against p4p top 5 fighter Barrera the king pin of the division. Pacquiao gave the Mexican great the worst beating of his career. The fight was against Oscar was meant to be a mismatch, Oscar was meant to destroy him KO him 6. Pacquiao once again was an underdog at 3/1 but Pacquiao took Oscar apart and once again inflicted the worst beating on a HOF fighter. After Pacquiao beat Diaz, he was asked about how far does he think he can go, Pacquiao said Hatton, Cotto was mentioned, and Arum said no, don't be silly Cotto is too big, and all the fight fans agreed that Cotto would destroy Pacquiao. I remember seeing a comment saying if Pacquiao fought Cotto Well about a year later that fight came along and Pacquiao once again not only beat Cotto he destroyed him. Same with Margarito, After the Oscar fight, everyone was saying Margarito would kill Pacquiao. He was too big too strong and Pacquiao should not even consider this fight. And when that fight came along Pacquiao gave Margarito argubably the biggest beating of his life breaking his orbital bone, only Pacquiao's mercy saved Margarito from being KOed. I'm trying to think of other fighters that were written off, not given an chance against there opponent and then making these would be experts look stupid. I can't think of anyone that has done it as many times as Manny Pacquiao, can you? Andre Ward. At the start of Super 6 he was considered too green. Now he is the unquestioned king at 168.

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Has there been another fighter that has continued to exceed expectations as Pacquiao has? Pacquiao has shocked the world on so many occasions, so many write him off give him no chance but not only does he cause upsets he annihilates guys that were meant to annihilate him. It is no surprise that Pacquiao loses almost all fantasy fight on here, because people continually underestimate his abilities. But when those same fighters step into the ring with Pacquiao he soon brings them down to his reality. Pacquiao was a 20/1 underdog against Ledwaba but Ledwaba was not only beat he was destroyed. Pacquiao was again an underdog against p4p top 5 fighter Barrera the king pin of the division. Pacquiao gave the Mexican great the worst beating of his career. The fight was against Oscar was meant to be a mismatch, Oscar was meant to destroy him KO him 6. Pacquiao once again was an underdog at 3/1 but Pacquiao took Oscar apart and once again inflicted the worst beating on a HOF fighter. After Pacquiao beat Diaz, he was asked about how far does he think he can go, Pacquiao said Hatton, Cotto was mentioned, and Arum said no, don't be silly Cotto is too big, and all the fight fans agreed that Cotto would destroy Pacquiao. I remember seeing a comment saying if Pacquiao fought Cotto Well about a year later that fight came along and Pacquiao once again not only beat Cotto he destroyed him. Same with Margarito, After the Oscar fight, everyone was saying Margarito would kill Pacquiao. He was too big too strong and Pacquiao should not even consider this fight. And when that fight came along Pacquiao gave Margarito argubably the biggest beating of his life breaking his orbital bone, only Pacquiao's mercy saved Margarito from being KOed. I'm trying to think of other fighters that were written off, not given an chance against there opponent and then making these would be experts look stupid. I can't think of anyone that has done it as many times as Manny Pacquiao, can you? I 1st saw Pac with the at Barrera fight! That convinced me that Pac was at the same place as Duran SRL & Hearns! Pac has the very rare combination of speed, Power & Stamina! I was called crazy when I predicted that Pac will be the 1st to KO Morales! Then I said that Pac will KO Hatton easy, That Pac will dominate DLH, That Floyd will duck Pac, That Cotto & Margarito is not ready for Pac. All these I predicted from 2007-2008 at ESB. All these Happened!!! I thought Floyd will have the Balls to face Pac!!! I'm so dissapointed!!! That guys a Pusssy at the highest order!! BTW! I predicted this before the PED excuses!

Hard work and believing in himself made Pacquiao an over achiever, the haters cannot accept that but it is the truth.

Pac was the favorite to beat Cotto, Hatton, etc. yet when he beats them haters be screaming PEDs... If that isn't surpassing expectations I don't know what is... I hear careful matchmaking yet I also hear PEDs.. Pac must have really over shot expectations. Ive never thought it was PEDS but it could be , I believe Manny has been matched perfectly strategically ducking fighters when they look dangerous and then cherry picking them when they shot, that along with CWs and special size rings gloves etc all build the hype for kids , not saying Manny is not a top line fighter just that he is a WW hype job , this the reason Arum will not put him in with Floyd because it all gets exposed .

But the fact still remains that when the fight were signed, which is what's important, he was the favourite in all of those fights. And quite a lot of people expected Hatton to get knocked out, early aswell. The betting odd's pretty actually very favourable of an early Pacquaio KO. Freddie Roach said Pacquiao would take him out in 3, but he was crticise by many for that remark. Hopkins said the fight was too close to call. The point is that surpasses the wlidest expectations of many. Other fighters have done this, but not as many as Pacquiao in my opinion, if someone want to furnish me with evidence to the contrary, then I will change my mind. So far the majority of people want to talk about Pacquiao's resume, PEDs cherry picking and nuthugging.

I have not claimed to the contrary. When he beat Diaz, the fight with Hatton was considered 50/50. Cotto was mentioned and that was considered a huge mismatch with Pacquiao life being in danger if it happened. After Oscar, still the vast majority were picking Cotto to KO Pacquiao and Margarito was a Monster that was too big and would destroy Pacquiao. Pacquiao also has the fights where he was an underdog 20/1 against Ledwaba, and the fights against MAB, Sasakul and Oscar. Pacquiao has shatter expectations of him time and time again. Don't be surprised if he does it again. How many people had Pacquiao blasting out Hatton in two rounds? But the fact still remains that when the fight were signed, which is what's important, he was the favourite in all of those fights. And quite a lot of people expected Hatton to get knocked out, early aswell. The betting odd's pretty actually very favourable of an early Pacquaio KO.

Pac was the favorite to beat Cotto, Hatton, etc. yet when he beats them haters be screaming PEDs... If that isn't surpassing expectations I don't know what is... I hear careful matchmaking yet I also hear PEDs.. Pac must have really over shot expectations.

Maybe in 2008 when he just moved up to Lightweight. When the fight's were signed, Pacquaio was favoured in all 3. By fans, and by the betting odds. He has been the favourite for every fight he's had since Oscar. I have not claimed to the contrary. When he beat Diaz, the fight with Hatton was considered 50/50. Cotto was mentioned and that was considered a huge mismatch with Pacquiao life being in danger if it happened. After Oscar, still the vast majority were picking Cotto to KO Pacquiao and Margarito was a Monster that was too big and would destroy Pacquiao. Pacquiao also has the fights where he was an underdog 20/1 against Ledwaba, and the fights against MAB, Sasakul and Oscar. Pacquiao has shatter expectations of him time and time again. Don't be surprised if he does it again. How many people had Pacquiao blasting out Hatton in two rounds?

Careful matchmaking and facing guys with a handicap are the root cause.

Two words: Alex Ariza If only Peterson would have had him in his corner... LOL. Only people doing drugs are the paranoid mu****as that got no proof but like to imagine ****.. On some crackhead ish right there.

When the fights happened. But when the were first mentioned, 95% to 99% of people were picking Margarito and Cotto saying Pacquiao would get destroyed. With Hatton it was about 50/50. Maybe in 2008 when he just moved up to Lightweight. When the fight's were signed, Pacquaio was favoured in all 3. By fans, and by the betting odds. He has been the favourite for every fight he's had since Oscar.

I can't believe this idiot is using some posts and polls from this site to generalise "Most fans" picked Hatton and Cotto to beat him. Both Hatton and Cotto were underdog's in those fights and rightfully so. When the fights happened. But when the were first mentioned, 95% to 99% of people were picking Margarito and Cotto saying Pacquiao would get destroyed. With Hatton it was about 50/50.

I can't believe this idiot is using some posts and polls from this site to generalise "Most fans" picked Hatton and Cotto to beat him. Both Hatton and Cotto were underdog's in those fights and rightfully so.

ali, armstrong, duran, hopkins off the top of my head. pacquiao hasnt shocked real boxing fans that many times. only mainstream fans were fooled to think margarito and guys like that were big challenges and even in his toughest fights like cotto he was a big favourite to win. the last time pacquiao truly shocked the world is when he beat DLH. add the first barrera fight and thats about it as far as shocking the world goes, maybe the morales rematch, most were shocked to see him finish el terrible but thats it for sure. hatton, mosley, margarito etc.. (and even cotto tbh) i couldnt see those fights play out any diffrent. tailor made and/or washed up fighters with big names might impress the casual fan but people who understand the sweet science know whats up. now the guys at the beginning of my post, those dudes suprised everybody over and over, truly shocking the world. LOL the fact that you have to GO BACK DECADES to get ALI , Armstrong and Duran speaks volumes. Its clear why people hate Pac, he take shine away from Floyd. I personally think PBF is a PoS ****** for beating women but that doesn't take away from the fact that he is a great fighter.

You really haven't, but I'm not going to argue about who has watched more boxing with a guy who says jabs don't count in boxing. Anyway, even with the Cotto polls this place was rampant with diehard Cotto fans back then so it would explain the poll. Look at how many Ricans were around in the weeks leading up to May/Cotto. Where'd they all go? Before Pac/Cotto there were like 10 times more than there were going into May/Cotto. Why do you think delusional Ricans is used so frequently on this site? :rofl: Many other boxing forums said the same thing, and so were the boxing writers and so called experts. The Hatton fight changed those expectations, even though the majority of people expected Pacquiao to win no one that he would do it in that devasted fashion. And if you look back to the Diaz fight, when Pacquiao says he want to fight Hatton, many posters were picking Ricky.

I watch more boxing than you.You really haven't, but I'm not going to argue about who has watched more boxing with a guy who says jabs don't count in boxing. Anyway, about the Cotto polls...this place was rampant with diehard Cotto fans back then so it would explain the poll. Look at how many Ricans were around in the weeks leading up to May/Cotto. Where'd they all go? Before Pac/Cotto there were like 10 times more than there were going into May/Cotto. Why do you think you see "delusional" in front of Ricans more often than "Puerto" on this site? :rofl:

Whether Pac has exceeded expectations or was favourite or underdog. Noboyd can dispute the fact that Pac has totally and utterly dominated every opponent since beating Morales all those years back, apart from one opponent and that is JMM. That is remarkable really.