why i think mayweather offered pacquiao 40 mill

Again... If you have better numbers than the Commissioner of the Nevada Athletic Commission, then I invite you to post them. I'm about the data... not your emotional reactions. There are ZERO assumptions here. Just data. Please learn the difference. These are the guaranteed purses per the State of Nevada to face these common opponents: Floyd vs Shane Mosley: $22.5 million Manny vs Shane Mosley: $6.0 million Floyd vs Miguel Cotto: $32 million Manny vs Miguel Cotto: $7.5 million Floyd vs Ricky Hatton: $11 million Manny vs Ricky Hatton: $7.4 million Floyd vs Oscar Delahoya: $10 million Manny vs Oscar Delahoya: $6.6 million These are guarantees for the fighter to be paid by fight night, not necessarily the guarantees between fighter and promoter. http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11641.html Since Floyd guarantees his own purse, he has to declare the actual amount. I'm pretty sure that has something to do with his run ins with the IRS. Check out how much his purses significantly rises after the Hatton fight.

The problem for Manny in dealing with Bob is one of asymmetric information. Bob knows more than Manny does in terms of revenue in and out. Bob may actually spend $2 mil promoting a Manny fight with another TR fighter, but the books and some creative accounting may say he spent $5 mil and just like that he robs Manny of 3 mil from the backend. Who's going to argue??? Manny did argue. He hired Vision quest and they told him in so many words that he was being robbed by Top Rank and that some of his money isn't accounted for. I'm not saying he should be happy with that 40 million offer, but clearly he's happy having Bob all in his pockets, so we should be happy for him and realize Bob will have to be a part of the equation to get the fight made unfortunately.

im an idiot how the **** do you know the percentage of how much manny might get and arum and if u think manny will c more than 40 million after he gets 50 percent u are so dump dont forget freddie got to get 10 percent of his share mannys manager got to get the other 10 percent and his lawyer got to get paid alsoo. so there goes 25 percent of mannys **** plus the other 30 from bob arum. plus manny rolls with like 20 people who even freddie him self says they take atvanage of him all the time. manny would b lucky if he comes out that fight with 40 million You're still an idiot and all of those are neither of yours and Floyd's concern.

bro look manny makes around 20 million after ppv and everything if he fights mayweather his income will double maybe triple mayweather already makes around 40 to 60 million per fight now its only fair that if pacquiao gets double or triple agains floyd than floyd should also make double so you think its fair that floyd makes more off pacqs fanbase then pacq should make!!! Lmbo!!!! Yep d.u.m.b. :nonono:

u a retard bro just a retard plain and dumb thats how contracts work those 3 people i stated dont charge less than 10 percent of the purse. Go to school and learn how contracts work, and how managers and lawyers work since you went to school!! Show us some documentation that shows how much promoters lawyers and trainers infact get! Its cool..... Ill wait.................

I agree that Arum would pay Pacquiao the $10 million. And hug him. And therefore, that I why I consider the contract amount the ONLY "guarantee". Nahmean? And Manny would have no legal recourse to get anything more. Arum isn't digging into his Merrill Lynch account to pay Manny because some PPV tanked for something that was out of Arum's control. That is why I say that the NSAC contract amount is the only number that matters. Contracts aren't made for when times are good...contracts are made because they are needed when ***** goes wrong. I see what you mean. I think it's a toss up what Arum would do in that situation. With his other fighters he'd shaft them....I can see him taking a loss to keep Manny though and keeping his word with him. But your point is taken and understood.

do you remember when arum (and king) was saying that if floyd went to don king, then the fight would be made in 1 hour? All this is about is arum protecting his economic interests. That is the principal barrier. queen gino still sucking balls!! Lmbo

im an idiot how the **** do you know the percentage of how much manny might get and arum and if u think manny will c more than 40 million after he gets 50 percent u are so dump dont forget freddie got to get 10 percent of his share mannys manager got to get the other 10 percent and his lawyer got to get paid alsoo. So there goes 25 percent of mannys **** plus the other 30 from bob arum. Plus manny rolls with like 20 people who even freddie him self says they take atvanage of him all the time. Manny would b lucky if he comes out that fight with 40 million yep! Your are (dumb) it's spelled with a "b: Nota "p" second: How sure are you of pacqs teams expenses?? Third: Mayweather also has to pay roger and company!! Retard.... And not only is it about money again!! But back to drug testing :nonono:..... Lmbo

It's a difficult call cause my entire argument is predicated on a discussion between promoter and fighter behind closed doors without public contracts. I would say Arum's full of sh1t with the 25 mill guarantee first of all. I think Arum would try and pay Manny the 10 million that he's contractually obligated to pay him. I think Manny would have a serious problem with that since, again under what I think is going on, they agreed to a higher number, and I think the relationship would be extremely strained. This is another part of why I think what I think....they have a good business relationship. At the end of the day, regardless of the scum everyone thinks Arum is, there is a foundation based on trust there, there has to be. Arum holds all the leverage because he gives Manny what I think is a "good faith" type of guarantee. Manny, the naive person he is, is happy with that and since they haven't had a PPV bomb, everything has gone fine thus far. If a PPV bombed like that, I think it would be a point of major contention and I think it would result in a buy out. Arum would want Manny to understand and Manny would say listen we agreed to this.....but Arum, the lawyer background that he has, would know he was only contractually obligated to pay X amount. Now, MAYBE just to keep the relationship Arum would cave and give him whatever they agreed to......but I wouldn't hold my breath. I agree that Arum would pay Pacquiao the $10 million. And hug him. And therefore, that I why I consider the contract amount the ONLY "guarantee". Nahmean? And Manny would have no legal recourse to get anything more. Arum isn't digging into his Merrill Lynch account to pay Manny because some PPV tanked for something that was out of Arum's control. That is why I say that the NSAC contract amount is the only number that matters. Contracts aren't made for when times are good...contracts are made because they are needed when ***** goes wrong.

SAVOR, I have a hypothetical business case for you...and bear with me here: Manny Pacquiao has a wriitten and signed contract filed with the Nevada Commission to fight Canelo Alvarez. The contract states a guarantee of $10 million. Arum has told the media that Manny's guarantee is $25 million. Cool? Good. Now, on the night of the fight, both fighters show up and are ready to perform. That night, there is a major terrorist attack (not in Vegas), and nobody orders the fight. Instead, everyone is glued to CNN. The PPV sells 200K ($12 million PPV revenue). The fight takes place, and Manny wins by decision. Now, a) how much is Arum obligated to pay Manny ...and b) how much is Manny going to be paid? I would like your perspective there. It's a difficult call cause my entire argument is predicated on a discussion between promoter and fighter behind closed doors without public contracts. I would say Arum's full of sh1t with the 25 mill guarantee first of all. I think Arum would try and pay Manny the 10 million that he's contractually obligated to pay him. I think Manny would have a serious problem with that since, again under what I think is going on, they agreed to a higher number, and I think the relationship would be extremely strained. This is another part of why I think what I think....they have a good business relationship. At the end of the day, regardless of the scum everyone thinks Arum is, there is a foundation based on trust there, there has to be. Arum holds all the leverage because he gives Manny what I think is a "good faith" type of guarantee. Manny, the naive person he is, is happy with that and since they haven't had a PPV bomb, everything has gone fine thus far. If a PPV bombed like that, I think it would be a point of major contention and I think it would result in a buy out. Arum would want Manny to understand and Manny would say listen we agreed to this.....but Arum, the lawyer background that he has, would know he was only contractually obligated to pay X amount. Now, MAYBE just to keep the relationship Arum would cave and give him whatever they agreed to......but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Im reading these statements on here and im a little confused if someone can help me. I know that Floyd has a structured deal in which he plays promoter/fighter etc. and because of that he gets a piece of everything related to the fight (popcorn, shirts, etc.) I also heard that he pays the fighters too. If im not mistaken, didn't he put up ortiz"s 2 mill and cotto's 8? If so, how would that relate to the Manny fight? I figure that he wouldn't have to worry about manny's side as bob would handle that, but wouldnt floyd still make more with the popcorn, shirts, etc. money that he gets? Also, different writers and sites and stuff are coming out with numbers for this and that. But i remember an interview where floyd said sumthing to the effect of " Pacquiao doesnt generate as much as me ppv or gate. I've seen the numbers" does anybody else remember that? It was right before those nsac purse numbers for pacquiao came out. If this is the case and why he feels Manny doesnt deserve 50/50, then why doesn't arum just release real numbers and have floyd release his and base the percentage off that? Not what Espn, or forbes, (maybe nsac) says. Wouldn't that settle this whole situation?

SAVOR, I have a hypothetical business case for you...and bear with me here: Manny Pacquiao has a wriitten and signed contract filed with the Nevada Commission to fight Canelo Alvarez. The contract states a guarantee of $10 million. Arum has told the media that Manny's guarantee is $25 million. Cool? Good. Now, on the night of the fight, both fighters show up and are ready to perform. That night, there is a major terrorist attack (not in Vegas), and nobody orders the fight. Instead, everyone is glued to CNN. The PPV sells 200K ($12 million PPV revenue). The fight takes place, and Manny wins by decision. Now, a) how much is Arum obligated to pay Manny ...and b) how much is Manny going to be paid? I would like your perspective there.

How does Floyd get 50% do Roger, Delahoya, and his gay boy friend Ellerbee work for free ? exactly... i think we all KNOW floyd takes home more money than pac... but for those people who insist floyd takes home 50% are just ridiculous.... also, you are forgetting the MAIN puzzle piece to that equation... AL HAYMON. so after haymon, roger, GBP, ellerbe get their cuts, im sure floyd isnt sitting on his 50% every fanboy claims.... BUT its still s *****LOAD more than what manny makes. LOL. manny needs to wake up... he is getting robbed... his legacy is getting tarnished with poor choice of opponents... theres a reason why floyd, oscar, cotto left bob.... im STILL amazed how manny's financials got red-flagged, but instead of handling the problem, he fired the agency. wow.

i really have no doubt Bob is bending MP over financially. Still that's not relevant to PPV buys. As of the last few fights Manny is deserving of 50%, though that probably changes if Cotto vs Floyd outsells Manny vs Cotto by 500K or more buys. theres a reason why top rank doesnt release official numbers anymore ... i dont believe that manny is selling as many PPVs as arum says he is, if he was he would allow the networks to confirm his numbers

anyone saying that manny is getting, "$40 mill with no PPV money" is completely incorrect ... where do you people think the bulk of that $40 mill is coming from? PPV money, thats where this was arums quote about making one of the biggest PPVs (turned out to be the biggest) of all time ... The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result. Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya. "I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said. sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382 if manny accepts $40 mill arum would be seeing an even smaller percentage and thats why he scoffed at the offer ... theres NO WAY manny makes more than $40 mill on a 50/50 co-promotion. hell, it would be hard for mayweather to make that much splitting everything down the middle the only person that would make more money under a 50/50 split is bob arum

I have said that he makes more than the Guarantee. I have said that twice, primo. They BOTH make more than the guarantee. Where you and I differ is your "acceptance" of a "guarantee" which is not on paper. How can it be a "guarantee" when my ACTUAL contract says something different? As someone who lives with contracts every day, if it isn't on an executed contract, it is not real. For example, look at what is happening with the VADA/GBP fiasco. Schaefer is saying "we had an agreement" and Margaret Goodman is saying "but you never signed a contract". I'll tell you this: If I got a job offer for $300K verbally, but my offer letter said $200K, I know that I am making $200K. A written contract supersedes an oral agreement. Yea I'm completely with you, I don't necessarily disgree with any of this, especially the offer letter aspect. But going with that example.....this RARELY happens so I'm just using this for my point...... Say you got that offer through a staffing agency. Said staffing agency is in such a need to please their client that they offer you another 50k on the side...incentive is to salvage the relationship with their client lets say. That's what I think it is. I know you know Pac makes more at the end of the day....that was never my argument. My argument is that Pac is GUARANTEED more, even if it's not reflected in the contract with the commission. I truly believe Arum doubles that guarantee behind closed doors. That's just a personal opinion of mine I guess, but it's also what's implied by every credible boxing journalist

You're an idiot and needs to go back to school... 50/50 split means when all expenses are paid, arum takes 13.75%, manny 36.25% and Floyd 50%. I'll let you determine why. How does Floyd get 50% do Roger, Delahoya, and his gay boy friend Ellerbee work for free ?

But you also thinks he makes more than the numbers reported to Nevada... That's all I'm saying. Just like I said, I don't buy Arum's 30 million claims either....but I do buy that Pac's GUARANTEE, not the total after PPV, but his guarantee, is higher than the number reported to the commission. I have said that he makes more than the Guarantee. I have said that twice, primo. They BOTH make more than the guarantee. Where you and I differ is your "acceptance" of a "guarantee" which is not on paper. How can it be a "guarantee" when my ACTUAL contract says something different? As someone who lives with contracts every day, if it isn't on an executed contract, it is not real. For example, look at what is happening with the VADA/GBP fiasco. Schaefer is saying "we had an agreement" and Margaret Goodman is saying "but you never signed a contract". I'll tell you this: If I got a job offer for $300K verbally, but my offer letter said $200K, I know that I am making $200K. A written contract supersedes an oral agreement.

I believe that Pacquiao makes something in between his NSAC contract, which is his legally enforceable minimum, and the numbers that Arum tells to the press. So, yes. I believe that Pacquiao makes less than the numbers that Arum tells to the press. And, apparently, so does VisionQuest after completing a financial audit of Pacquiao's payments from Top Rank. But you also thinks he makes more than the numbers reported to Nevada... That's all I'm saying. Just like I said, I don't buy Arum's 30 million claims either....but I do buy that Pac's GUARANTEE, not the total after PPV, but his guarantee, is higher than the number reported to the commission.

I believe that Pacquiao makes something in between his NSAC contract, which is his legally enforceable minimum, and the numbers that Arum tells to the press. So, yes. I believe that Pacquiao makes less than the numbers that Arum tells to the press. And, apparently, so does VisionQuest after completing a financial audit of Pacquiao's payments from Top Rank. i really have no doubt Bob is bending MP over financially. Still that's not relevant to PPV buys. As of the last few fights Manny is deserving of 50%, though that probably changes if Cotto vs Floyd outsells Manny vs Cotto by 500K or more buys.