You sound ****in stupid and obviously not a true boxing fan... I'm so sick of PAC fans coming into these threads. Everyone that PAC fought beyond jmm has been past their prime besides a slow David Diaz, and his current opponent Tim Bradley. So stop the ****ing comparisons. Whats sad is PAC became well known only after he fought everyone that Floyd had already beaten. So if Floyd hasn't really fought anyone....who in the hell has PAC fought..... U lames come in these threads not having a bit of information, you became a fan of boxing when PAC became popular which means you don't know ****!!!!
Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto, Manny Pacquiao. Three fighters everyone says Floyd "ducked" or "is ducking". What's their common link? Bob ****ing Arum. Cotto leaves Arum and a fight with Floyd get's made EASILY.
He's fighting Cotto now, so we can take that name off.
Of all the fighters someone has listed that he's "avoided", I thought Antonio Margarito was the only one who sort of found a way around. Not that he was afraid of Margarito or anything, but because I think in 2006 he knew he had a potential mega fight with Oscar at 154 there in 2007. Sort of similiar to Bradley and Khan thing, Bradley knew he had the Pac fight as a serious option. We'd have to ask Floyd though. Floyd still has a really good/solid resume, and is around the Top 30 ATG to me, same as Manny.
then why hasn't floyd manny yet? if pac sucks so much why hasn't he fought him?
Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto, Manny Pacquiao. Three fighters everyone says Floyd "ducked" or "is ducking". What's their common link? Bob ****ing Arum. Cotto leaves Arum and a fight with Floyd get's made EASILY.
then why hasn't floyd manny yet? if pac sucks so much why hasn't he fought him?
Did I once say Pac sucks???? No. Both are ATG's and the best of their era, hands down. And BOTH are to blame for that fight not happening yet. Pac for straight up refusing random blood testing until fight day for 2 years and Floyd for backing off on the 50-50 split. And Pac was stupid for saying he'd take less money, which he now says he won't do. And Floyd is stupid for not counter offering a 60-40/55-45 split at the very least.
That's the bottom line.
For me, I go with Hatton simply because Floyd went into that fight thinking "Oh this guy is undefeated and he really thinks he can beat me? I will show him the true difference between us" and for 8 round Floyd fight's Hatton's type of fight (inside, rough with plenty of body shots) and totally outclasses him. What really seals the deal isn't the KO but the 9th round, when Floyd proceeds to Jab Hatton's face off just to say "SEE this is what I COULD have done to you but I just had to prove a point." Absolutely masterful.
Pac should get credit for DESTROYING Hoya then since he was coming off a close loss to Floyd just months ago..........
the only reason Floyd fans talk about the JMM win so much is that Floyd's resume is weak as **** and it's one of his best wins even though JMM has never ever been close to being the best in that weight class
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Did you watch that fight live??? NO ONE thought that fight was really close or a SD, get real man. And Pac fought him 1 1/2 years later at 145 lbs, where he hadn;t been in 8-9 years. Floyd at least fought him while he was a Top 3 SWW, the only really legit title holder there aside from Spinks, and at 154 lbs. No, Pac doesn't deserve credit for beating Oscar at 145 lbs in 2008. Maybe if Oscar had fought on at 145 lbs and got a good win there, proving he could still fight that weight, it'd be different.
Not on anyone's d**k, but comparing those two fights is asinine man. Again, Marquez just proved he can fight well at 144 lbs, therefore Floyd deserves at least a little credit for that win. Oscar never proved he could fight well at 145 again, since he hadn;t been there in 8-9 years, that's what I saying. Grow up.
If Floyd has a weak resume, than guys like Cotto and Tszyu, 2 good examples, have horrible resume's.
Never seen a guy with wins over Genaro Hernandez (WBC/RING SFW CHAMP), Angel Manfredy (#1 SFW contender), Goyo Vargas (Top 10 SFW), Diego Corrales (#1 SFW/#5 P4P), Carlos Hernandez (Top 10 SFW), Jesus Chavez (Top 10 SFW), Jose Luis Castillo (WBC LW champ/#1 LW), DeMarcus Corley (Top 10 JWW), Arturo Gatti (WBC JWW champ/#2 JWW), Zab Judah (IBF WW champ/Top 5 WW), Carlos Baldomir (WBC/RING WW champ), Oscar De La Hoya (WBC SWW champ/#3 SWW), Ricky Hatton (#8 P4P), Juan Manuel Marquez (#2 P4P), Shane Mosley (WBA WW champ/#1 WW/#3 P4P), Victor Ortiz (WBC WW champ/#2 WW), and now Miguel Cotto (WBA SWW champ/#1 SWW) most likely, get s**t on so bad, and I've been watching the sport for a long time.
I know you probably weren't watching back then during the majority of those fights, so you don't remember those fighters going into those fights. It's okay though.
then why was pac such a huge underdog in that fight? captain hindsight? no JMM came in flabby and jumped up 2 weight classes to fight Floyd and Floyd didn't even make the catch weight, just because JMM has Manny's number doesn't mean he would do good at welter i would pick Ortiz,Berto, Cotto and a slew of other welters to beat him
I for one never thought Oscar was going to beat him or that it would be close, did you???
And he jumped 2 weight classes to fight Pac as well. And you're coming at me with the "he was flabby, didn't train right" excuse??? I thought you were better than that. To suggest JMM didn't train hard enough or right for his biggest fight ever is just ridiculous.
Again, Marquez proved he could fight effectively at 144 lbs, those 2 lbs weren't the reason Marquez lost, get outta here. Oscar didn't prove he could fight effectively at 145 lbs anymore, period.
Pac fought JMM at his best weights minus the 3rd fight, Floyd didn't just cuz Floyd beat him doesn't mean he beat the best version JMM is NOT a welter i would expect Ortiz and Cotto to TKO JMM at welter... and the only reason JMM did great against pac was he was in way better shape and knew pac and pac is a small welter
JMM proved by arguably beating Pac that he could fight well at 144. Mayweather is just better. I'm not saying he beat the best version of JMM, but to compare Floyd beating JMM to Pac beating Oscar isn't parallel at all. Oscar didn't prove he could fight well at 145 at that point, he hadn't fought there in 8-9 years. JMM just proved last November that he could fight well at 144. So therefore, Floyd should get some credit for that.
that's like saying Pac destroyed Hoya while Floyd went the distance with a SD win over hoya
It's not the same, at all. Floyd dominated JM at 144, Pac arguably lost to an evern older JMM at 144. Floyd fought Oscar at 154 lbs, and no one thought that was really a SD. Manny fought him at 145, a weight he hadn't made in 8-9 years.
Maybe because he was going hit over and over by Floyd, who take away Corrales' entire offensive attack, and never let Corrales get going. The guy was always at 130 and fought at 130 beating Joel Casamayor for the WBO SFW title over 2 years after losing to Mayweather. Corrales was not weight drained, thats bulls**t.
Once again, just because he made the weight before and after the fight doesn't mean he wasn't weight drained that fight.
No, I don't find it odd, it's Floyd Mayweather.
Anybody that doesn't think Corrales was weight drained is just a crazy fanboy.
205 punches THE WHOLE FIGHT! I don't think there's anyone that he's shutout so bad. Corrales was weight drained.
Maybe because he was going hit over and over by Floyd, who take away Corrales' entire offensive attack, and never let Corrales get going. The guy was always at 130 and fought at 130 beating Joel Casamayor for the WBO SFW title over 2 years after losing to Mayweather. Corrales was not weight drained, thats bulls**t.
Its shocking some people keep thinking Gatti is Floyds best performance im dumbfounded.
He looked great beating him, but its Gatti? Pac looked spectacular against many opponents and they were all better than Gatti. Floyds resume isnt in depth that is proven, i'll leave it there.
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It's difficult to pick which one was his best performance because over his career he's been focusing and perfecting different aspects of the game.
In a way his win over Castillo 1 is one of his best because he was basically standing toe-to-toe against a great fighter- with obvious problems with his right hand. Similarly his fight with DLH was top notch because he absolutely nullified all of Oscar's assets as the fight went by- back when DLH was still a good fighter.
The only thing that impressed against Gatti was Arturo's ability to take punishment. What happened was exactly what will happen any time one of the best face average joe in any sport.
You don't find it odd that Mayweather makes all of his opponents fight significantly worse than they have in previous fights?
No, I don't find it odd, it's Floyd Mayweather.
Anybody that doesn't think Corrales was weight drained is just a crazy fanboy.
205 punches THE WHOLE FIGHT! I don't think there's anyone that he's shutout so bad. Corrales was weight drained.
Its shocking some people keep thinking Gatti is Floyds best performance im dumbfounded.
He looked great beating him, but its Gatti? Pac looked spectacular against many opponents and they were all better than Gatti. Floyds resume isnt in depth that is proven, i'll leave it there.
God you're sad......
Its shocking some people keep thinking Gatti is Floyds best performance im dumbfounded.
He looked great beating him, but its Gatti? Pac looked spectacular against many opponents and they were all better than Gatti. Floyds resume isnt in depth that is proven, i'll leave it there.
Gatti was past his prime-still good, and it's Floyd's best performance, not best fighter he's fought. Gatti was still the #2 JWW with the WBC title, coming off 5 straight decent wins. He avenged his Ward loss twice, Dorin, Branco, Leija. It's not like Gatti was a Chuck Wepner or some s**t. Gatti was a game fighter in 2005, and when Mayweather f**ked him up the way he did, it was impressive.
On point.
Floyd's dilemma is making his wins look virtually easy and ending the fights unscratched and unswollen. So his most significant wins are discredited by non-fans.
I'm not reaching, it's pretty obvious by how the fight went. Chico was inactive the WHOLE fight. 205 punches the whole fight = weight drained.
You don't find it odd that Mayweather makes all of his opponents fight significantly worse than they have in previous fights?