Arum gets BURIED by Teddy Atlas on ESPN *VIDEO*

It's called negotiations. Manny didn't accept what Floyd wanted as cutoff dates but Manny still said OK to testing. Floyd didn't agree to Manny's cutoff dates. Like I said originally, I hoped Manny would have agreed to 14 days cutoff just so we can see the fight. While he didn't initially, he now compromised and accepted it with no cutoff dates. but now we have a new roadblock yet there are threads over threads with Floyd fans still protecting Floyd and his "I want all PPV money". This is where we stand NOW. This is the problem NOW .... Floyd is holding this up NOW. but this new roadblock, by Floyd, totally puts all the other roadblocks into question. You mean manny didn't agree to floyd's compromise offers of 24 and 14 days cutoff dates. Manny only wanted 0. 6 months later he accepts. But you have no problewm with that? Thats crazy. How is that the problem when Bob ARum, manny's promoter and the person manny says he must speak to before any decision on a fight is made, said the fight was no good in May because of manny's cut, which the dr who stiched manny up(Bob Arum's son inlaw) cosigned. Then Bob said he was building a stadium. Then Bob said no fight in 2012. Now I know floyd went on Costas and said he's not giving 50/50, but ARum didn't cite this as the reason for no fight in May or for the rest of 2012. How do you then reach the conclusion that purse split is another floyd roadblock? Dude, you know damn well manny will accept less than 50/50 because he said he would. So to say purse split is another roadbloick is pure speculation you read from some manny pole smoker and are repeating it here. Bob wants manny to accept more so HE gets more as the promoter. Manny has niether the courage or resources of floyd or ODH to leave TR promotions. This is why I hold manny more responsible NOW! Had he not taken the cash illegally from ODH when still signed to TR, maybe he could leave now. But his greed and stupidity resulted in Bob redoing his contract that essentially made manny his endentured servant. Or is it floyd's fault manny took the cash from ODH?

Because manny wouldn't agree to random OST. The rest of your 1st paragraph makes little sense. I am only holding manny accountable for his actions. I'd hope you'd do same. The only people who don't are the diehard pac fans. As for your before and after, I haven't done that. If other floyd fans have well thats on them and you should ask them why. It's called negotiations. Manny didn't accept what Floyd wanted as cutoff dates but Manny still said OK to testing. Floyd didn't agree to Manny's cutoff dates. Like I said originally, I hoped Manny would have agreed to 14 days cutoff just so we can see the fight. While he didn't initially, he now compromised and accepted it with no cutoff dates. but now we have a new roadblock yet there are threads over threads with Floyd fans still protecting Floyd and his "I want all PPV money". This is where we stand NOW. This is the problem NOW .... Floyd is holding this up NOW. but this new roadblock, by Floyd, totally puts all the other roadblocks into question.

If Floyd agreed to everything Manny wanted then why don't we have a fight? Manny didn't want testing .... Floyd didn't agree to that. Manny wanted a certain cutoff date, Floyd didn't agree to that. You are making it sound like what Floyd wants is the golden rule. See your underlined words above. You are blaming Manny "MORE" than Floyd .... but it should be the other way around. BEFORE: Do you know how many Floyd fans said, "if Manny bluffed and agreed to testing and Floyd put out another roadblock then we will know that its Floyd that is ducking?" Now those same people are saying "why did it take so long for Manny to agree?" or "Floyd should get more" or "$40 million is a lot of monny to say no to" Because manny wouldn't agree to random OST. The rest of your 1st paragraph makes little sense. I am only holding manny accountable for his actions. I'd hope you'd do same. The only people who don't are the diehard pac fans. As for your before and after, I haven't done that. If other floyd fans have well thats on them and you should ask them why.

Both teams are responsible but everyone can see floyd would most likely win, pac generates ppvs 1m+, it is ENTIRELY FAIR, to have it 50-50, manny has infact outsold floyd in recent ppvs as well, Manny was holding up the fight with no testing but now it is Floyd and Arum holding it up. Floyd for his stupid advisors not telling him to take 50-50 and Arum not wanting to put Manny in with him BTW your sig can be flipped over to if floyd really wants it also floyd was not a huge star like manny is when he gave into those two demands, OScar was massive compared to floyd while manny and floyd are equals Bob being ok with 50/50 should be all the info you need to know his fighter is the smaller draw. Bob has never accepted a smaller or equal purse for his fighter if they are the larger draw, NEVER!!!!!!, because it cuts into his profit. When you say 50/50 is fair, you say so in a vacum. 50/50 would be fair for Manny/Bradley right? NO. The only difference is manny is much closer to floyd than bradley is to manny. SO whether an evn split is "fair" according to you, what you really are saying is if 50/50 gets fight made, floyd should do it because manny wants it. I don't agree with that argument. Floyd was talking about ALi Berbick and Ali- Holmes. But I'm, sure you know this and are twisting it purposely.

Manny brought up purse split as the remaining issue in that video, not floyd. Why did Manny do that? I found that odd. Your 1st paragrph distorts the truth. Floyd, at that point, had agreed to everything manny wanted. The point is lets not change the facts. Both fighters are responsible for their actions in regards to this fight not happening. Floyd could make the dec 09 offer you say is fair again to make this fight. I see no reason why he should bear sole responsibility when Manny and his teams actions have been more of an impediment to this fight. If Floyd agreed to everything Manny wanted then why don't we have a fight? Manny didn't want testing .... Floyd didn't agree to that. Manny wanted a certain cutoff date, Floyd didn't agree to that. You are making it sound like what Floyd wants is the golden rule. See your underlined words above. You are blaming Manny "MORE" than Floyd .... but it should be the other way around. BEFORE: Do you know how many Floyd fans said, "if Manny bluffed and agreed to testing and Floyd put out another roadblock then we will know that its Floyd that is ducking?" Now those same people are saying "why did it take so long for Manny to agree?" or "Floyd should get more" or "$40 million is a lot of monny to say no to"

Manny brought up purse split as the remaining issue in that video, not floyd. Why did Manny do that? I found that odd. Your 1st paragrph distorts the truth. Floyd, at that point, had agreed to everything manny wanted. The point is lets not change the facts. Both fighters are responsible for their actions in regards to this fight not happening. Floyd could make the dec 09 offer you say is fair again to make this fight. I see no reason why he should bear sole responsibility when Manny and his teams actions have been more of an impediment to this fight. Both teams are responsible but everyone can see floyd would most likely win, pac generates ppvs 1m+, it is ENTIRELY FAIR, to have it 50-50, manny has infact outsold floyd in recent ppvs as well, Manny was holding up the fight with no testing but now it is Floyd and Arum holding it up. Floyd for his stupid advisors not telling him to take 50-50 and Arum not wanting to put Manny in with him BTW your sig can be flipped over to if floyd really wants it also floyd was not a huge star like manny is when he gave into those two demands, OScar was massive compared to floyd while manny and floyd are equals

1.) Mayweather will no longer take 50/50 2.) May-Cotto is going to outsell Pac-Bradley 3.) Floyd is going to use that as a talking point against 50/50. This.fight.wont.happen. Dude, it'll happen 6 mos after Manny buys out his TR contract, if he has the resources to do so.

1.) Mayweather will no longer take 50/50 2.) May-Cotto is going to outsell Pac-Bradley 3.) Floyd is going to use that as a talking point against 50/50. This.fight.wont.happen.

Manny didn't agree to what Floyd wanted and Floyd didn't agree to what Manny wanted but Manny compromised by saying that he will do testing prior to the fight. Still at the end of the day, Manny went all the way and accepted 100% what Floyd wanted. Floyd didn't budge! There are plenty who are protecting Floyd now .... but if you are not then what is the argument here? I don't get your question about "So the real question is why did manny do that?" Manny brought up purse split as the remaining issue in that video, not floyd. Why did Manny do that? I found that odd. Your 1st paragrph distorts the truth. Floyd, at that point, had agreed to everything manny wanted. The point is lets not change the facts. Both fighters are responsible for their actions in regards to this fight not happening. Floyd could make the dec 09 offer you say is fair again to make this fight. I see no reason why he should bear sole responsibility when Manny and his teams actions have been more of an impediment to this fight.

Man, Big Dunn laying the ether down on these fools :lol1:.

Yes I do remember that. Manny wouldn't agree to that until a frustrated floyd told Larry Merchant "0 days". Manny didn't compromise, he flat out refused. He didn't say OK to testing until 6 months later. If you are an honest poster, then you will point out Manny 1st brought up purse split during the interview where he said, "there are no more issues with testing". So the real question is why did manny do that? No one is protecting that. If anything most people want floyd to give the 50/50 split back. Manny didn't agree to what Floyd wanted and Floyd didn't agree to what Manny wanted but Manny compromised by saying that he will do testing prior to the fight. Still at the end of the day, Manny went all the way and accepted 100% what Floyd wanted. Floyd didn't budge! There are plenty who are protecting Floyd now .... but if you are not then what is the argument here? I don't get your question about "So the real question is why did manny do that?"

Refuse? As a fan of boxing, all I care is that they get it on! As for Floyd, the dates kept on moving back and then disappearing once Manny decided to compromise. Plus, Floyd and his team kept on accusing that Manny did PEDs. That is not a way to approach an agreement to get the fight on. Most people including many Manny fans hoped that Manny would go down to 14 days just so we got to see the fight .... but now that the tables are turned, I'm seeing many but not all Floyd fans still protecting Floyd on his "I want all PPV money". The real question is why did it take this long for Floyd to all of a sudden bring up another roadblock and had left us all thinking for 3 years that this was all about OST? Remember, TAKE THE TEST AND WE HAVE A FIGHT! Yes I do remember that. Manny wouldn't agree to that until a frustrated floyd told Larry Merchant "0 days". Manny didn't compromise, he flat out refused. He didn't say OK to testing until 6 months later. If you are an honest poster, then you will point out Manny 1st brought up purse split during the interview where he said, "there are no more issues with testing". So the real question is why did manny do that? No one is protecting that. If anything most people want floyd to give the 50/50 split back.

Anyone who can look back on the last 3-4 years of bull**** and only finds reason to blame one side or party involved is a moron. If you think it is all one side's fault you're an idiot and should be chemically castrated for the sake of society.

Huh? where is the criticism? From 0 days, to 24 days, to 14 days. Thats a compromise. Manny still refused. How much compromising should floyd do? DOes manny have to do any? The question was why did the poster change his opinion about signing the same deal now that he said manny should reject in 2009. I'm sure you changed as well. Care to answer? Refuse? As a fan of boxing, all I care is that they get it on! As for Floyd, the dates kept on moving back and then disappearing once Manny decided to compromise. Plus, Floyd and his team kept on accusing that Manny did PEDs. That is not a way to approach an agreement to get the fight on. Most people including many Manny fans hoped that Manny would go down to 14 days just so we got to see the fight .... but now that the tables are turned, I'm seeing many but not all Floyd fans still protecting Floyd on his "I want all PPV money". The real question is why did it take this long for Floyd to all of a sudden bring up another roadblock and had left us all thinking for 3 years that this was all about OST? Remember, TAKE THE TEST AND WE HAVE A FIGHT!

All you need to recall is Bob Costas' recent interview with Floyd. It's a non-biased interview, unlike Atlas's comments. Floyd will be peppered with those kinds of questions in years to come. People will never buy any excuse for not fighting. It's just human nature. Right. Just like Canseco was peppered with questions. He was proven correct, despite the medias attempt to discredit him. Teddy ATlas comments, unbiased and honest, are the 1st step in this direction with floyd. Bob told floyd he couldn't get an ODH fight, floyd leaves TR, fights ODH. Cotto leaves TR, gets floyd fight in a month. Manny were to leave or make Bob make fight, bang it happens. Truth always comes out in the end.

Be careful about history. The truth usually comes out. And popular opinion is always subject to change. All you need to recall is Bob Costas' recent interview with Floyd. It's a non-biased interview, unlike Atlas's comments. Floyd will be peppered with those kinds of questions in years to come. People will never buy any excuse for not fighting. It's just human nature.

Yeah. That's exactly what I meant. Five years from now you'll look like a clown if you say fight didn't happen because Arum didn't want it to happen. :usa2: Like I said you sound like the people who criticized Jose Canseco. The only people who appear as fools 5 years later are the ones that actually wanted to believe Mark McGwire, SOsa, Brady Anderson, and Clemens were not steroid users. Be careful about history. The truth usually comes out. And popular opinion is always subject to change.

Only Floyd fans can criticize the guy who compromises instead of the guy who keeps on moving the goal posts back Huh? where is the criticism? From 0 days, to 24 days, to 14 days. Thats a compromise. Manny still refused. How much compromising should floyd do? DOes manny have to do any? The question was why did the poster change his opinion about signing the same deal now that he said manny should reject in 2009. I'm sure you changed as well. Care to answer?

ACtually it takes seconds to say, Manny wouldn't make Bob Arum make the fight! Yeah. That's exactly what I meant. Five years from now you'll look like a clown if you say fight didn't happen because Arum didn't want it to happen. :usa2:

! So why did you change your opinion? What is different now then Dec 2009? Why aren't you still against manny taking OST? Only Floyd fans can criticize the guy who compromises instead of the guy who keeps on moving the goal posts back