By decisive, that means anything from a 8-4 "the old man outsmarted Dawson clearly" win or a 12-0 "He did the same thing he did to Tarver" win.
Considering both his age and the opponent, along with people like me that hate on him for the first Dawson fight, it would have to be his second best win, right? I wouldn't put it above Trinidad, that was definitely better barring a Hopkins knockout tonight, but who else would consider it his best otherwise?
How can "The great accomplishment in Boxing history by beating Chad Dawson" not be his best win?
I can't fathom that.
If Hopkins wins tonight he will have the two greatest wins in the history of Boxing.
Jean Pascal and Chad Dawson.
Of his 20 defences only 6 or so were of the lineal title. Hagler had 12 of the undisputed title and Monzon 14.
If you think Hagler was a brawler quite frankly you're not worth anyone's time when discussing Hagler.
Hagler didn't get hit a lot, he's known for his granite chin as he walked into a Hearns bomb and shook it off like it was nothing. Having a "granite" chin does not mean you get hit a lot that is stupid.
So it's safe to say Hopkins doesn't get hit a lot so his chin is *****? Come on that's ridiculous.
so there was only 1 title to have. hopkins gets full credit as champ because he beat the guys who had the other portions of the title from 95-96 until it was unified.
It should be right up there with his best win, which is still Trinidad, IMO.
For the past 3-4 years people have been saying Dawson was going to murder Hopkins, that Hopkins was afraid of him and that he was ducking him, this, that, and the other.
So if Hopkins schools this kid tonight at the age of 47 it should rank in his top 3 accomplishments. That said, it won't. Not here in NSB, anyway. Dawson will instantly go from a younger, stronger, faster, hungrier threat to Hopkins' legacy to a B or C class fighter who should retire in shame.
Welcome to NSB.
If Dawson fights well and Hopkins still beats him by that much then I would rate that win just behind the Trinidad fight as his 2nd best win considering his age and how good Dawson is.
Tarver was his best win easily, don't be fooled by Trinidads name, the only thing that favored Trinidad in that fight was his age, Hopkins had everything else.
With Tarver he was coming of 2 losses at the age of 42 to skip a weight class and take on the guy who just beat the fighter of the year (Glen jOHNSON) And beat the fighter of the decade (Roy Jones) and Hopkins whooped him, even though I'm pretty are we all know that wasn't the real tarver that night.
No need to qualify that win. Any version of Bhop schools any version of Tarver. As Bernard said to the press after that win, "What do you know about Bernard Hopkins that makes you think I could ever lose to an Antonio Tarver?"
:notworthy green!!!!
this would be his biggest win imo....Tito was coming up in weight so the critics like to play the size game with that win....Chad is bigger, stronger, younger, faster...goddam!! lol...this would be the crown jewel of them all imo...the stage is set!!!
I agree. The only fight i may put above this one, MAY be the tito fight, b/c that sort of put hopkins out there in the mainstream. But like i said, look at the bigger pic, at age 47, where he can fight a bum, pad his record & the record books, hopkins decides to fight the top guy in the division, who's all of 29 years old! Who else does that?????
I may rank the tito victory as #1, b/c of what it did for hop's career, & he was fighting a puerto rican, in NYC, right after 911, but if he wins tonight, i certainly wont argue with ANYONE ranking this as #1.
Appreciate him while he's here, this wont be seen for a long long time.
:notworthy green!!!!
this would be his biggest win imo....Tito was coming up in weight so the critics like to play the size game with that win....Chad is bigger, stronger, younger, faster...goddam!! lol...this would be the crown jewel of them all imo...the stage is set!!!
I can't forget the talk before the Trinidad fight, or the way that tourney was set up to crown him. The predictions before this fight are more even than before the Trinidad fight. If Tito hadn't beaten Joppy, it would be different, but he not only beat him he annihilated him. Then Hopkins beat the hell out of Tito.
Agreed. Hopkins is 48!!!
If Dawson is what everyone thought, the next p4p king, this shouldnt even be a contest. Dawson is a very talented fighter, legend or not, he shouldnt be losing to a 47 y.o. fighter.
But he will.
Dawson's going to beat him. And bernard will retire hopefully. He should have and could have retired after Pascal. That would have been a perfect way to go out.
A win here decisive or not will be huge..
Agreed. Hopkins is 48!!!
If Dawson is what everyone thought, the next p4p king, this shouldnt even be a contest. Dawson is a very talented fighter, legend or not, he shouldnt be losing to a 47 y.o. fighter.
But he will.
like hops stated, he was a bigger underdog against pavlik & tarver, but all things considered, being 47, & going up against the top guy in the division, a guy who holds every single physical advantage, & is 18 years hops' junior, a win 2nite would def b 1st or 2nd in my book.
But that leads 2 a greater point, AT AGE 47 THIS GUY CONTINUES TO DEFY ODDS! His NEXT fight is always his biggest, & thats insane for a guy his age. Thats something ppl cant grasp. This guy is truly a livong legend. Win, lose, or draw, we may never in our lifetime, see another 47 y.o. doing what he's doing. If he wanted to, hopkins could be padding the record books fighting tomato cans at his age, but he continues to dispense of top guys! You may not like his style, but how anybody cannot appreciate dude's body of work, is beyond me. Bernard Hopkins haters are NOT true fans of the sport. Period.
:notworthy green!!!!
this would be his biggest win imo....Tito was coming up in weight so the critics like to play the size game with that win....Chad is bigger, stronger, younger, faster...goddam!! lol...this would be the crown jewel of them all imo...the stage is set!!!
Yup,kinda answer I expected, but whatever.
It is a completely different conversation. I was asking you to make your case for ranking Hopkins above Roy. You said I would hate on Hopkins for winning, which I simply haven't ever done to Hopkins.
Although Trinidad is the better fighter, a convincing win over Dawson would trump that fight. Tito was the one moving up in weight, and B-Hop had the physical and mental advantage. On the other hand, Dawson has all the physical advantages, and it could be argued that he has the mental advantage as well. I think this would be his best win, at least top 3 best.
Dont really care, 175 is a pretty boring division these days. I used to be a huge hopkins fan but Im tired of his act he should retire all ready. He has to use spoiling tactics to the extreme now just to stay in the fights and its gotten old. He should have retired after the Pavlik win. I dont want to see him rolling around on the canvas in fake pain any more.
Now you know how I feel when because I didn't disrespect Jones's career you chose to talk mess. I shouldn't have to disrespect his career to try and prove an opinion brother.
That is a completely different discussion, but whatever.
You don't know jack sh** about me if you think I will discredit Hopkins winning this fight. There's a difference between hating on a guy's style and the bullsh** he pulls and hating on his wins.
Now you know how I feel when because I didn't disrespect Jones's career you chose to talk mess. I shouldn't have to disrespect his career to try and prove an opinion brother.
you are a typical fanboy. A Hagler fanboy. You say that I said things which I never said or you take things out of context. You are the one not being worth my time.
And who gives a f**ck about lineal titles? I dont care if Monzon and Hagler had more of those defences. I look at the guys he beat. And I already said Monzon and Hagler overall beat a little bit better competition so shut up.
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Since I actually know what Hagler's style was as I've watched fights other than Hagler's last 3, I must be a fanboy. Thanks for the enlightenment I now know my place.
If Hopkins wins I fully expect some more excuses to why he won. Jangles & his homey are gonna find a way to hate. But I don't see him winning here. I hope he does, but I just don't see it.
you are wrong. hopkins is gonna win very decisively. there will be no controversy. dawson is not all that.