On this day Rocky Marciano retires as undefeated heavyweight champion*in 1956. Salute

owned! marcianos conditioning was amazing. i heard he ran every single day whether he was training for a fight or not. he even ran on christmas Yeah man the guy was a conditioning beast.

Oh yeah Marciano had "brutal conditioning", thats why he was able to throw 100 punches in the 15th round against Ezzard Charles and average 80-100 punches per rounds over 15 rounds regularly owned! marcianos conditioning was amazing. i heard he ran every single day whether he was training for a fight or not. he even ran on christmas

Yes, and what I am about to say will get all these history and old-timer fanboys so pissed. These fighters from Marciano and Joe Louis days would stand ZERO chance with the fighters of today. Even the **** heavyweight like Chisora, Arreola and other bums would have beaten these old guys. They barely trained compared to how people train these days, didn't know nearly as many strengthening techniques and everything else. In EVERY sport, the athletes are by far superior now to say 40-70 years ago. EVERY sport, yes that includes boxing. If Marciano were to fight Lennox Lewis or Ali or a Klitschko he would get destroyed so bad he would look like a bum bar fighter. Just look at those tapes LOL, so slow and brutal conditioning. These old guys are overrated as **** by nerd historians who dwell on the "good old days" when the fighters of today are wayyyy better. Starting from the time of Ali onwards is when athletics hit major strides in training developments. Hell, after the fights those old guys would drink for a few weeks and have no nutritionists and then go fight again they would be slaughtered like lambs to new generation fighters. How do you think Larry Bird stacks up to Lebron James in terms of ability on the court? LMAO Oh yeah Marciano had "brutal conditioning", thats why he was able to throw 100 punches in the 15th round against Ezzard Charles and average 80-100 punches per rounds over 15 rounds regularly

Pound for pound Rocky was great. He often weighed in the low 180s for his heavyweight fights. Heavyweights don't have to make weight so they weigh in well fed and hydrated and with some clothes on. He could easily have fought as a light heavyweight. he also had a very short reach for a HW

Yes, and what I am about to say will get all these history and old-timer fanboys so pissed. These fighters from Marciano and Joe Louis days would stand ZERO chance with the fighters of today. Even the **** heavyweight like Chisora, Arreola and other bums would have beaten these old guys. They barely trained compared to how people train these days, didn't know nearly as many strengthening techniques and everything else. In EVERY sport, the athletes are by far superior now to say 40-70 years ago. EVERY sport, yes that includes boxing. If Marciano were to fight Lennox Lewis or Ali or a Klitschko he would get destroyed so bad he would look like a bum bar fighter. Just look at those tapes LOL, so slow and brutal conditioning. These old guys are overrated as **** by nerd historians who dwell on the "good old days" when the fighters of today are wayyyy better. Starting from the time of Ali onwards is when athletics hit major strides in training developments. Hell, after the fights those old guys would drink for a few weeks and have no nutritionists and then go fight again they would be slaughtered like lambs to new generation fighters. How do you think Larry Bird stacks up to Lebron James in terms of ability on the court? LMAO Barely trained?? Marciano ran 15 miles everyday, 20 as the fight got closer. Please... old HW's used to go more rounds and are way better conditioned than heavy weights of today. Heavy weights now days are slobs and they get gassed in like 5 rounds. In 50 years the strengthening techniques and nutrition of today will be the stone age and youll be saying the same thing for that generation.

Pound for pound Rocky was great. He often weighed in the low 180s for his heavyweight fights. Heavyweights don't have to make weight so they weigh in well fed and hydrated and with some clothes on. He could easily have fought as a light heavyweight. In the past was common for the heavyweights to cut the weight

Pound for pound Rocky was great. He often weighed in the low 180s for his heavyweight fights. Heavyweights don't have to make weight so they weigh in well fed and hydrated and with some clothes on. He could easily have fought as a light heavyweight.

People always **** on Marcianos win over Louis but the betting odds were in Louis favor, Louis was past his prime obviously but he was still favored to win at the time. That was because Marciano was so obviously a poor boxer, and had beaten nobody of a good level who wasn't well washed-up. The reason that Marcianos' fights against his "top" opponents were so hotly contested was because they had declined so much, making more even matchups. There are loads of examples. Two washed-up fighters who still have the moves are better to watch than 2 top fighters who's styles make a poor match.

Marciano is an ATG HW no doubt, but H2H he'd get spanked by most ATG HW's. He had some good wins though. He had some good timing though when his career came about, same as Lennox Lewis to a certain degree, though Lennox is better than Marciano. Rocky came on when Louis, Walcott, Charles were getting up there and near the end of their careers, and before Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston came along to be Top HW's. I think Rocky could have beaten Floyd Patterson, because Floyd had a glass jaw, but he very well could have been out boxed and possibly stopped on cuts by Floyd, who Ali said was the best "boxer" he ever faced. Still, Rocky beat a past prime Joe Louis, a past prime Joe Walcott, a prime Roland La Starza, a past prime-still good Ezzard Charles, and Archie Moore when Archie was still a top tier fighter. His wins over Moore and Charles were really really good wins, his wins over Louis and Walcott a little overrated for sure given they were way past it by those points. Still, Joe Louis was a Top 10 HW when Rocky fought him, as was Joe Walcott. And Archie Moore was the #1 HW contender in the world when Marciano beat him. Rocky was an ATG and had a solid resume, though he got started late obviously, but he isn't in the Top 5 based on career-resume-era, and H2H he's not in the Top 10 at HW. This is what I believe; I don't mean to criticize but you have it all wrong. You seem not to know anything about boxing history, or the records of Marciano's opponents, and particularly their records and opponents. You'd have to be able to tie-in the information in a meaningful way. Let me give you just ONE example (there are many) ...... Let's look at Carmine Vingo, the fighter whom Marciano says was his toughest fight. Marciano was a very strong, solid 27 year old, Carmine Vingo, was not yet 20, approximate the same weight, but very tall and spindly 6'4", still undeveloped, a kid, more than half his 17 fights had a combined losing record of 45wins-100 losses. This was his 1st 10 rd fight, never had more than 6 rds all aginst palookas; it was Marciano's 12th 10 rd fight and 25th fight of which his record was 25-0 with 24 KO's. It was just another SET-UP. It's obvious to anyone who can look critically at Marciano, and understand it. It shouldn't be difficult...... if not hampered by . "rose-coloured glasses".

:hail: ATG Heavyweight, and one of my favorite fighters to watch fights of online.

People always **** on Marcianos win over Louis but the betting odds were in Louis favor, Louis was past his prime obviously but he was still favored to win at the time. I still said even though Joe was clearly past his prime, diminishing the win a bit, Joe was still a Top 10 HW at the time. It was a good/solid win, not a really really good win or anything. It's like when Floyd fought Oscar De La Hoya. Oscar was past his prime, but he was still a Top SWW and had a title, it was a solid win on his resume.

If Marciano were to fight Lennox Lewis or Ali or a Klitschko he would get destroyed so bad he would look like a bum bar fighter. Ali didn't think the same way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDaw2QFC1Qg First of all fighting it's not all about athleticism. The physical preparation is only a part of the game, boxing is also a mind game, a will game, a technical game, a toughness game. Secondly a fighter like Marciano was much more trained than the majority of the modern HWs... just look at the embarassing phisical condition of guys like Arreola or Solis, or other guys who in the second half of their fights are without energy

Marciano is an ATG HW no doubt, but H2H he'd get spanked by most ATG HW's. He had some good wins though. He had some good timing though when his career came about, same as Lennox Lewis to a certain degree, though Lennox is better than Marciano. Rocky came on when Louis, Walcott, Charles were getting up there and near the end of their careers, and before Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston came along to be Top HW's. I think Rocky could have beaten Floyd Patterson, because Floyd had a glass jaw, but he very well could have been out boxed and possibly stopped on cuts by Floyd, who Ali said was the best "boxer" he ever faced. Still, Rocky beat a past prime Joe Louis, a past prime Joe Walcott, a prime Roland La Starza, a past prime-still good Ezzard Charles, and Archie Moore when Archie was still a top tier fighter. His wins over Moore and Charles were really really good wins, his wins over Louis and Walcott a little overrated for sure given they were way past it by those points. Still, Joe Louis was a Top 10 HW when Rocky fought him, as was Joe Walcott. And Archie Moore was the #1 HW contender in the world when Marciano beat him. Rocky was an ATG and had a solid resume, though he got started late obviously, but he isn't in the Top 5 based on career-resume-era, and H2H he's not in the Top 10 at HW. People always **** on Marcianos win over Louis but the betting odds were in Louis favor, Louis was past his prime obviously but he was still favored to win at the time.

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There's just such a huge difference between fighters from 1900's-early/mid 1950's to guys from the mid 1960's-present day. H2H and career resume/era, Ali is hands down the greatest HW ever. And what's crazy about Ali was that he only had a 3 year prime, would have been longer without his ban/layoff in the 60's. I know I'm about to piss some Frazier fans off, but had Ali not been forced into exile for 3 1/2 years, they most likely would have fought in 1968-1969, with Ali not losing stamina in his legs/arms and losing a bit of speed, Ali would NEVER have lost to Joe Frazier. Still, Ali's is the Top HW of all-time based on career-era-resume, and H2H in his prime, I can't envision favoring anyone to beat him. And he's definitely in the Top 10 GOAT, Top 5 depending on who you talk to. Wins over 4 ATG's in Sonny Liston (World/RING HW champ), Floyd Patterson (#2 ranked HW), Joe Frazier (#2 ranked HW), and George Foreman (WBC/WBA/RING HW champ). Also with wins over Archie Moore (Top 10 HW), Doug Jones (#3 ranked HW), Henry Cooper (Top 10 HW), Karl Mildenberger (Top 10 HW), Ernie Terrell(WBA HW champ/#1 HW), Zora Folley (#2 ranked HW), George Chuvalo (#3 ranked HW), Jerry Quarry (#3 ranked HW), Oscar Bonavena (Top 10 HW), Jimmy Ellis (Top 10 HW), Jurgen Blin, Mac Foster (Top 10 HW), Bob Foster, Joe Bugner (Top 10 HW), Ken Norton (#3 ranked HW), Ron Lyle (#3 ranked HW), Jimmy Young (#2 ranked HW), and Earnie Shavers (Top 10 HW). Ali hands down has the best HW resume ever, and one of the Top 5 or complete resume's ever of any weight class. True that bro. My top 5: 1. Ali 2. SRR 3. SRL 4. Hopkins 5. Mayweather

Salute to a true legend.

Yes, and what I am about to say will get all these history and old-timer fanboys so pissed. These fighters from Marciano and Joe Louis days would stand ZERO chance with the fighters of today. Even the **** heavyweight like Chisora, Arreola and other bums would have beaten these old guys. They barely trained compared to how people train these days, didn't know nearly as many strengthening techniques and everything else. In EVERY sport, the athletes are by far superior now to say 40-70 years ago. EVERY sport, yes that includes boxing. If Marciano were to fight Lennox Lewis or Ali or a Klitschko he would get destroyed so bad he would look like a bum bar fighter. Just look at those tapes LOL, so slow and brutal conditioning. These old guys are overrated as **** by nerd historians who dwell on the "good old days" when the fighters of today are wayyyy better. Starting from the time of Ali onwards is when athletics hit major strides in training developments. Hell, after the fights those old guys would drink for a few weeks and have no nutritionists and then go fight again they would be slaughtered like lambs to new generation fighters. How do you think Larry Bird stacks up to Lebron James in terms of ability on the court? LMAO There's just such a huge difference between fighters from 1900's-early/mid 1950's to guys from the mid 1960's-present day. H2H and career resume/era, Ali is hands down the greatest HW ever. And what's crazy about Ali was that he only had a 3 year prime, would have been longer without his ban/layoff in the 60's. I know I'm about to piss some Frazier fans off, but had Ali not been forced into exile for 3 1/2 years, they most likely would have fought in 1968-1969, with Ali not losing stamina in his legs/arms and losing a bit of speed, Ali would NEVER have lost to Joe Frazier. Still, Ali's is the Top HW of all-time based on career-era-resume, and H2H in his prime, I can't envision favoring anyone to beat him. And he's definitely in the Top 10 GOAT, Top 5 depending on who you talk to. Wins over 4 ATG's in Sonny Liston (World/RING HW champ), Floyd Patterson (#2 ranked HW), Joe Frazier (#2 ranked HW), and George Foreman (WBC/WBA/RING HW champ). Also with wins over Archie Moore (Top 10 HW), Doug Jones (#3 ranked HW), Henry Cooper (Top 10 HW), Karl Mildenberger (Top 10 HW), Ernie Terrell(WBA HW champ/#1 HW), Zora Folley (#2 ranked HW), George Chuvalo (#3 ranked HW), Jerry Quarry (#3 ranked HW), Oscar Bonavena (Top 10 HW), Jimmy Ellis (Top 10 HW), Jurgen Blin, Mac Foster (Top 10 HW), Bob Foster, Joe Bugner (Top 10 HW), Ken Norton (#3 ranked HW), Ron Lyle (#3 ranked HW), Jimmy Young (#2 ranked HW), and Earnie Shavers (Top 10 HW). Ali hands down has the best HW resume ever, and one of the Top 5 or complete resume's ever of any weight class.

@4cornerskid you took me back in time with that GETO BOYS sig... green K sent

I remember when they made that virtual fight between him and ali and marciano won LMAO SMH this dude is overrated as fucc Yes, and what I am about to say will get all these history and old-timer fanboys so pissed. These fighters from Marciano and Joe Louis days would stand ZERO chance with the fighters of today. Even the **** heavyweight like Chisora, Arreola and other bums would have beaten these old guys. They barely trained compared to how people train these days, didn't know nearly as many strengthening techniques and everything else. In EVERY sport, the athletes are by far superior now to say 40-70 years ago. EVERY sport, yes that includes boxing. If Marciano were to fight Lennox Lewis or Ali or a Klitschko he would get destroyed so bad he would look like a bum bar fighter. Just look at those tapes LOL, so slow and brutal conditioning. These old guys are overrated as **** by nerd historians who dwell on the "good old days" when the fighters of today are wayyyy better. Starting from the time of Ali onwards is when athletics hit major strides in training developments. Hell, after the fights those old guys would drink for a few weeks and have no nutritionists and then go fight again they would be slaughtered like lambs to new generation fighters. How do you think Larry Bird stacks up to Lebron James in terms of ability on the court? LMAO

in b4 Floyd fanboys diss Rocky's "0"