Pacquiao fighting Bradley puts him above Floyd in terms of competiton

Ortiz got beaten up by Maidana! That's enough argument to say that Clottey's Greater than Ortiz! Clottey arguably beaten Cotto! And also Beaten Corrales! All Floyd former & next opponents! He beat a past it Corrales at WW moron, who never had anything left after the Castillo fights man. More important than who is when, remember that. Corrales was done after 2005 and Clottey beat him at 149 lbs, 14 lbs above where Corrales last fought effectively. My god.... I didn't knock Clottey, but Ortiz was a better fight at that point, though both were good. Clottey fought a hard fight with Cotto, was a good fight. Ortiz was still the #2 WW and had beaten Berto. It's not Ortiz' fault Maidana never wanted to rematch him, they for trying to secure a rematch with him for almost 2 years. After Clottey, Pac fought Margarito, coming off a TKO loss to Mosley. Mosley coming off a one sided loss to Floyd and a draw with Mora for christ sake. And Marquez, who'd already been dominated at that weight. Bradley is Pac's first prime opponent since Jorge Solis, his best opponent selection since Marquez in 08', and his first legit fight wince Cotto/Clottey. That's the hard truth. And out of all the people "Floyd avoided", Margarito is the only one that has a legit claim that Floyd found a way around that fight. Floyd wanted to fight Cotto from 04-06, called Cotto out all the time. Top Rank said "Cotto isn't ready for Floyd, that fight needs to wait". Floyd dithces TR and than they start the duck campaign against Floyd. Cotto leave sTR, the fight is made. I also laugh when people act like Floyd beating Mosley and Pac beating Mosley mean the same thing, they don't. Floyd beat Mosley when EVERYONE was calling for that fight, when Shane had TKO'd Margarito, was the Top ranked WW and was Top 10 P4P after knocking out Marg. Pac beat him coming off a one sided loss and a draw with Mora. Be objective man, or you just sound like a tool.

Floyd and Manny both fought similar opponents above above 140. Hatton, De La Hoya, Marquez, De La Hoya, and now Cotto (Floyd still has to win) Now Victor Ortiz is a fighter that Floyd fought that Manny never fought Clottey, Margarito, and now Bradley are 3 fighters Floyd never fought. A lot of Floyd fans try to bump Victor Ortiz up hard, I still remember them saying hungry young lion. But Ortiz is not a top dog, he beat Andre Berto, he had a few losses and struggles against sub par opponents. Maidana made him quit, which meant he lacked heart. Peterson also gave Ortiz a tough fight and they fought to a DRAW. Bradley on the other hand has never lost, has never been dominated, has proven ring IQ, can adjust in fights, people like to insult him saying he swings wild, but has he been beat up with his so called wild swinging? nope, so as long as the punches lands who give a **** how they look. Also Bradley dominated Lamont Peterson, who gave Victor Ortiz trouble, and beat Amir Khan. Bradley is a much tougher opponent than Victor Ortiz and is not a quitter or mentally weak fighter. I would say also that Joshua Clottey is a more durable fighter than Victor Ortiz, I think Clottey would probably make Ortiz Quit, and Clottey would make it difficult for Floyd to look good as well cause Clottey always closes his guard. Wow, with this brilliant logic, I am surprised that Pac is only going to make $10 million in his fight against Bradley instead of the $40 to $50 million that Mayweather will make against Cotto.

how about you opponent outweighing you on the fight night by 20lb? is that not a handicap? The guy started at flyweight. Floyd does the same thing, he is almost always the smaller fighter on fight night. Pac weighed in at 144 for the Margo fight, I can completely understand why he doesn't want to fight at 154, just like i completely would understand floyd for not wanting to fight at 160. It dont work that way when you kill yourself in training to make weight , training to make weight is not training to win a fight ,,, you think if Bhop had to make 160 today that when he rehydrates 15-20 pounds that he is not still screwed bad from wasting to make 160 , you really need to understand the whole system of weight in boxing because all your seeing is numbers not what they really mean . Pac is not forcing the CWs for nothing understand that , and then realize what it does to the opponent in making that weight , look at ODH it killed him so much he had to inject IV fluids to gain 2 pounds , Margo needed Diuretics to make it , and Cotto said he will never sacrifice his body like that again , all facts ! It is what it is , the facts are there , open your eyes to it !

The difference is that allot of the people that they fought whom are the same, Floyd fought them after they had a good win. Heck, Ortiz's win over Berto was impressive and that deserved a shot at Floyd. Mayweather is only fighting Cotto because Manny wasn't willing to go up to 150, Floyd is going up to 154. Mayweather's competition is above Manny's. With that being said, Bradly seems to be the biggest threat (other than Marquez) that Pac has fought. He is undefeated, young, and hungry. It is the first time in a long time that Manny is fighting someone who is at 100% and I dare to say in his prime or close. Nobody can take anything away from Pac's current fight. yea kinda like when Floyd fought Judah after he had a good win!:rofl:

You hit the nail on the head , Ive never thought peds with Pac , but its possible , the CWs gave him his biggest public wins , and he couldnt beat those guys without the CW , he even thinks that ! because he ducked Cotto without a CW when Cotto was his first choice of opponent and Cotto said yes but no CW , and Manny took off fast to a 140 pounder . Bradley fought at MW in the amatuers, and unlike Hatton he didn't struggle with his only fight at 147.

Clottey was not a better fight than Victor Ortiz. Clottey was a Top 10 ranked WW, was a solid opponent, though everyone crapped on it because Floyd was fighting Mosley, the Top WW. Ortiz was the #2 WW, coming off a really good win over Berto. Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez, when Pac foguht them, was about as bad as it gets for a guy in his position. The only questionable fight Floyd has taken in recent memory was the Marquez fight at 144. At that time, it was a crappy choice. And Floyd dominated him there. But, in retrospect, an even older Marquez just arguably beat Pac at the same weight. So, one has to give Floyd credit for absolutely dominating him. Mosley and Ortiz were solid/good fights, and so is Cotto. Bradley is probably a little better of a pick than Cotto, though BOTH were the best available at this moment aside from each other. No one can say Victor Ortiz was a bad fight, only useless and brainless morons do. After Ortiz beat Berto to become the #2 WW, i remember reading comments on here before I joined about how an Ortiz-Pacquiao matchup would be a great fight and a war, and that Floyd would never fight Victor Ortiz because he's too dangerous. Fast forward 10-11 months later, with Floyd beating Ortiz, it was a cherry pick of a green fighter. It's ridiculous. Ortiz got beaten up by Maidana! That's enough argument to say that Clottey's Greater than Ortiz! Clottey arguably beaten Cotto! And also Beaten Corrales! All Floyd former & next opponents!

In boxing..it's not WHO you fight it's WHEN you fight them. Manny is a when you fight them type of guy.. When did Floyd fought Cotto? Cotto who's Pac's leftover! He finally got the courage to fight Cotto who was beat up twice already by Pac & Magconcreto! Castillo & Ortiz were just Pac's former sparring Partner! Floyd ducks prime Margarito, Prime Cotto, did not fought a tought guy Clottey!

Clottey was not a better fight than Victor Ortiz. Clottey was a Top 10 ranked WW, was a solid opponent, though everyone crapped on it because Floyd was fighting Mosley, the Top WW. Ortiz was the #2 WW, coming off a really good win over Berto. Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez, when Pac foguht them, was about as bad as it gets for a guy in his position. The only questionable fight Floyd has taken in recent memory was the Marquez fight at 144. At that time, it was a crappy choice. And Floyd dominated him there. But, in retrospect, an even older Marquez just arguably beat Pac at the same weight. So, one has to give Floyd credit for absolutely dominating him. Mosley and Ortiz were solid/good fights, and so is Cotto. Bradley is probably a little better of a pick than Cotto, though BOTH were the best available at this moment aside from each other. No one can say Victor Ortiz was a bad fight, only useless and brainless morons do. After Ortiz beat Berto to become the #2 WW, i remember reading comments on here before I joined about how an Ortiz-Pacquiao matchup would be a great fight and a war, and that Floyd would never fight Victor Ortiz because he's too dangerous. Fast forward 10-11 months later, with Floyd beating Ortiz, it was a cherry pick of a green fighter. It's ridiculous.

At one point, mayweather was saying pacquiao was fighting his leftovers. Funny now he is doing the same thing and,, upping it all up as if cotto never lost a fight.

Its obvious and they just ignore it , if these CWs were not important why does Pac run away from the fights without them he wont fight those guys without a CW , ducking Cotto now proves how important the CW is too Pac , they cannot dispute it they just like to blow it off like it dont matter , how can handicapping your opponent not matter , especially when its a handicap that weakens a man in a fight , get real ! guess you guys forget and Over look the fact that Pacq CANT make 150 much less 154!! to be honest, i thought the rematch thing with Cotto was a stupid idea from the getgo!! You whoop someone butt one time , that should be enough.. I like the Bradley fight.. Pacq demolishes Ortiz on ANY nite.. hands up or down..

so now its about triangle theories and now it matters that a fighter is undefeated?? WOW hey floyd is 42-0 fool Ortiz >>>>>Bradley and Clottey and their feather fists so this means Maidana>Ortiz!! Peterson=Ortiz fotflmbo making Maidana and Peterson>Bradley and Clottey lol :nonono:

Bradley is irrelevant now just like Margarito was irrelevant then Pacquiao has the tendency to fight guys with name but are irrelevant to the game Floyd beating Ortiz is a better win then any win Manny had above 130 including Cotto at a catchweight lmbo! this :haha: is an ignorant post!! :nonono: im guessing then that if mayw was fighting bradley, itd be another hungry undefeated lion right?

Its obvious and they just ignore it , if these CWs were not important why does Pac run away from the fights without them he wont fight those guys without a CW , ducking Cotto now proves how important the CW is too Pac , they cannot dispute it they just like to blow it off like it dont matter , how can handicapping your opponent not matter , especially when its a handicap that weakens a man in a fight , get real ! how about you opponent outweighing you on the fight night by 20lb? is that not a handicap? The guy started at flyweight. Floyd does the same thing, he is almost always the smaller fighter on fight night. Pac weighed in at 144 for the Margo fight, I can completely understand why he doesn't want to fight at 154, just like i completely would understand floyd for not wanting to fight at 160.

Why didn't Pac fight Cotto at 154? He only wanted him at a CW again. Can the mod please ban these morons repeating the same crap over and over? It's like they are a broken record you can present them facts and other points, and they still insist on the same rant. either Catchweight, fixed fights, Floyds leftovers or steroids.

Why didn't Pac fight Cotto at 154? He only wanted him at a CW again. Its obvious and they just ignore it , if these CWs were not important why does Pac run away from the fights without them he wont fight those guys without a CW , ducking Cotto now proves how important the CW is too Pac , they cannot dispute it they just like to blow it off like it dont matter , how can handicapping your opponent not matter , especially when its a handicap that weakens a man in a fight , get real !

In boxing..it's not WHO you fight it's WHEN you fight them. Manny is a when you fight them type of guy.. so floyd didnt fought cotto then cuz he lives in puerto rico??? :lol1:

LOL. Quite the opposite, if you think about it. No one cares WHEN Joe Louis, Ali, Robinson beat up the HOF and ATG they beat. Actually those things are considered, maybe it is overlooked with Ali and Robinson because they beat great fighters who were in their prime ( Don't know much about Joe Louis' career to be honest). You look at other ATG in let us say Rocky Marciano people are critical of him for fighting fighters who were on their way out. People dismiss Larry's Holmes win over Ali and people take note of the fact that Ali was out for three years before fighting Fraizer.

The difference is that allot of the people that they fought whom are the same, Floyd fought them after they had a good win. Heck, Ortiz's win over Berto was impressive and that deserved a shot at Floyd. Mayweather is only fighting Cotto because Manny wasn't willing to go up to 150, Floyd is going up to 154. Mayweather's competition is above Manny's. With that being said, Bradly seems to be the biggest threat (other than Marquez) that Pac has fought. He is undefeated, young, and hungry. It is the first time in a long time that Manny is fighting someone who is at 100% and I dare to say in his prime or close. Nobody can take anything away from Pac's current fight.

But your judgement is based purely on seeing the result with the CW !! Why did Pac refuse to fight without a CW if it was not important , dont say to level the playing field because handicapping the opponent is not leveling the playing field , its is giving you advantage . If you think he can beat Cotto at any weight why did he duck Cotto at 154 when Cotto was his first choice of opponent and it would have put to rest all of the questions about Pac and is CWs , its the same man the only difference is one is drained one is not , Pac flat refuses to fight Cotto without a CW , is what it is ! Listen stop making excuses. You put too much into this Catchweight stuff to discredit Pacmans wins, its getting tired. If its not catchweight than he is on steroids, or he is fighting fixed fights lol. Again these are GROWN men who are not starving poor and broke, they approved the contract to fight just 1 or 2 pounds lower which is no big deal because NOBODY put a GUN to their head and forced them to fight against their will. The only time it becomes a big deal is if you fail to rehydrate properly. I doubt you ever boxed or wrestled, I have wrestled before and had to cut 12-15 pounds of water in a day. There are UFC fighters who cut 25 pounds of water in a day or two and still dominate the next day, which is more weight than Cotto, Magarito had to cut. The CW excuse is getting tired, because regardless of the weight loss you have skills that wins or loses the fight, Cotto didn't look weak and Margarito didnt look weak, and JMM didn't look slow he actually weighed 151 and was bigger and stronger than Manny at their 144 fight.

he did use CW's with all those fighters but I would strongly disagree that he would lose to them without the CW's. i think he would beat margarito if margarito was 190 lbs and pacquiao 145, he is just way too slow and right there to be destroyed. I also think that no matter what he would beat cotto. cotto did well in the early rounds in their fight by boxing. pumping that stiff jab and walking pac into ropes, but hes a puncher trying to be a boxer so eventually he tries to show his balls and trades with you. when he does this he is asking pac to ko him because of the speed and angles he uses. i think Arum demands those CW's for pac just so that the odds of him winning are higher than they would already be. if say pac had no promoter i don't think hed give a **** about CW's or other small details (ex/ ring size) .. he's too dumb to think that much lol But your judgement is based purely on seeing the result with the CW !! Why did Pac refuse to fight without a CW if it was not important , dont say to level the playing field because handicapping the opponent is not leveling the playing field , its is giving you advantage . If you think he can beat Cotto at any weight why did he duck Cotto at 154 when Cotto was his first choice of opponent and it would have put to rest all of the questions about Pac and is CWs , its the same man the only difference is one is drained one is not , Pac flat refuses to fight Cotto without a CW , is what it is !