Which of these Heavyweight Champs got the LEAST gift decisions in their careers?

Compared to other career heavyweights sure. As a boxer, however, Adamek's far from inexperienced. His LHW fights (which don't forget would have been fought at around the mid 180s on fight night, perhaps higher, given how much he drained to make weight) would have qualified him on weight alone as an opponent in some past eras. That's why it's not really fair to dismiss his LHW fights when comparing him to an opponent from, say, Louis's era. Critisise him on skill, stylistic flaws etc all you like, but IMO the weight issue doesn't really hold water... pardon the pun. Good points! :fing02:

I got 13 fight between cruiser and heavy leading into the Vitaly fight. Thats still only a total of 47 fights for these 3 fighters. Thats an average of 15.2 fights per fighter. All Im saying is these guys are just very inexperienced. Compared to other career heavyweights sure. As a boxer, however, Adamek's far from inexperienced. His LHW fights (which don't forget would have been fought at around the mid 180s on fight night, perhaps higher, given how much he drained to make weight) would have qualified him on weight alone as an opponent in some past eras. That's why it's not really fair to dismiss his LHW fights when comparing him to an opponent from, say, Louis's era. Critisise him on skill, stylistic flaws etc all you like, but IMO the weight issue doesn't really hold water... pardon the pun.

The guy who started this thread should read my thread of interviewing Karl the GREAT GERMAN CHAMPION. Who himself bashed Klithsckos. Bashed by one of the German heroes who's country K2 is using. lol Fuking foreigners Karl Mildenberger is basically UNKNOWN in germany. Im austrian so I know whats going on in germany. Mildenberger's claim to fame is getting beaten up by Muhammad Ali, the Klitschkos' claim to fame is dominating the heavyweight division for a decade. germany loves the Klitschkos and always did. they adopted them as "germans" since ages.

Freedom, how come you don't do those heavyweight schedules anymore? I used to like to see who was fighting who.

The guy who started this thread should read my thread of interviewing Karl the GREAT GERMAN CHAMPION. Who himself bashed Klithsckos. Bashed by one of the German heroes who's country K2 is using. lol Fuking foreigners They're loved and respected by most of them, like it or not.

Sure I read what I write. It makes perfect sense to people who don't have a negative agenda and who don't just come on here to troll a certain set of fighters. People like you just have to hang on to what they can get that is negative about the Klitschko's because there's not much. That's what haters do. It's pathetic, don't you see that? That' right, you don't. Like I said in the other thread, you need to pick and choose which of my posts to respond to because if you respond to where I have positive things to say it just blows your "hater" theory out of the water. The problem with you and you kind that idolize is you're not objective and can't handle criticism of your heroes. I'm a fan of the sport, clowns like you are a fan of certain fighters and can't keep an open mind. Next, who's talking about an asterisk? I said they were winning near the end of the bout, therefore not some kind of blowout as the other guy suggested. Reply to posts where I'm talking to you instead of trolling around my posts and maybe what you say would mean something. Losses are losses, but there's more to it. Just like how somebody on here kept saying Whitaker had a win over Chavez when in fact he didn't. It was a draw and according to you should be treated as such because the books say that. I guess it's that simple to you. Perhaps you would feel different if you gave a crap for the Kbros as it seems your opinion changes for certain fighters, just like everybody else, yet you claim to be unbias and neutral. It's a joke. You need to reach deep inside your a55 and pull out whatever has gotten into it, it may do you some good my internet forum dictator. No, you make excuses for why they lost and assumptions that they would have won if not for say "running out of gas" or "getting cut". And I've never claimed the Whitaker-Chavez fight was anything but a draw. Blatantly bad scoring though and the OVERWHELMING majority agree on this. Where not talking about a fight the never saw the final bell so we can deduce what actually happened and judge for ourselves instead of just guessing in our heroes favor. And I'll respond to any post I like, kid. P.S. You will respond like always but it's useless because I'm done with this thread. Nah, you won't respond because you can't handle the truth. You'll tuck tail and run just like you did in the other thread where you COULDN'T show ANY proof of your ridiculous claims or come up with any logical answers to my questions. You're an armchair internet tough guy who has never even stepped foot in a ring but thinks he knows more than guys who cover the sport for a living and greats who have actually fought. So tell me again, why is it no experts have complained of Lewis using his gloves, laces, hair and elbows to make Vitaly's cuts worse? Oh that's right, because he was doing nothing illegal, its just the delusions of an armchair warrior who's ass is sore because his hero lost. :lol1::wave:

I'm not saying dismiss the losses, but it needs to be noted that the Sanders loss was the only one that was as cut and dry as most of the Klitschko wins. A loss by the rules is still a loss, but everything has to be taken into consideration. You don't see everyone writing off Marquez because Manny beat him twice. There's a reason for that. Wlad had the Purity fight all but won and ran out of gas and the same happened in the Brewster fight. It was obvious. The only fight he lost where there was nothing strange going on was Sanders where he got caught cold underestimating the sniper. Vitali, we all know his only two losses were controversial. Legitimate but nonetheless, controversial considering how he was winning both fights before injury. The guy I was writing to seemed like he was trying to say the Klitschko losses were all just as cut and dry as their wins, which clearly is far from the truth. You know it and I know it. Dude, do you even read what you write? By "noting" these fights you are in essence putting an asterisk next to them and still using the excuse "but they were winning". Fights are 12 rounds. It doesn't matter who was winning...its who won. Brewster and Puritty didn't just win because Wlad gassed, the won because the took everything Wlad brought and were tough enough to survive and smart enough to remain relaxed and not gas out themselves. Its a disservice to boxing and its fans to try and takethat away from them by saying, "but Wlad was winning".

Yea, you must be talking about the Wlad-Sanders fight alone because that's the single Klitschko loss between the two that wasn't caused by fatigue or injury. Yeah, we got to dismiss those other fights because we all know fatigue and injuries are not part of boxing. Guess we better change that Solis fight to a NC. :lol1:

Adamek's record is 45-2 or 15-1 if you exclude his LHW fights. Doesn't make sense to exclude his CW fights since that weight division didn't exist in Louis's time. I got 13 fight between cruiser and heavy leading into the Vitaly fight. Thats still only a total of 47 fights for these 3 fighters. Thats an average of 15.2 fights per fighter. All Im saying is these guys are just very inexperienced.

Please stop with your "bum of the month club" nonsense, you know nothing about it. You didn't know the phrase was coined by a journalist because Louis was destroying them so easily. You didn't know the "bum of the month club" consisted of 6 fighters fought in 6 months, 3 of them ranked in the top 10. Out of Vitaly's last 6 fights (in a 3 year period) he has fought only two fighters who were currently ranked in the top 10 by "The Ring" if Im not mistaken. His last 3 opponents had a COMBINED 40 fights at heavyweight. Come on now, who is really fighting the bums? :lol1: Adamek's record is 45-2 or 15-1 if you exclude his LHW fights. Doesn't make sense to exclude his CW fights since that weight division didn't exist in Louis's time. Wlad deserved ZERO credit for beatin Mormeck. NONE. At least the guys Ali Holmes and Lewis fought were actually heavyweights, rather than blown up, past it cruiserweights with glass chins. Lewis or Louis? If it's the latter then I suggest you look over the fighting weights of his opponents and see what happens when you exclude everyone he fought who came in under 200lbs.

I voted for the Klitschkos.

disagree 100% but respect and not going to argue with your opinion. Wow what a sniveling way to disagree on a website To the ts, even the "no hopers" of yesteryear were challenging by today's heavyweight standards. Wepner for instance was tough as nails it was him that inspired Stallone to write Rocky for his gutsy performance against a fading Ali. HW these days are a joke. Haye? Gtfo he doesn't want to get hit even once In all his spoiler style anti fan HW fights. And he is considered top competition for the Klitshkos. No gifts? HW division is the weakest its been in boxing history. With the kbros as the only good fighters so no wonder

thats simply not true. Watch Winky Wright vs Hopkins and you see this could easily have been a draw or a Wright win. furthermore Hopkins was totally inactive against Calzaghe and Jermain Taylor so I dont really see how you can have him winning those fights. disagree 100% but respect and not going to argue with your opinion.

Ok, even so that doesn't change the fact that the Klitschko's get bashed for beating up on older guys like Mormeck who were world champions and won several title fights when Ali, Holmes and Louis get praised for beating 'never was' Wepners with a dozen losses or guys with ten fights total, etc. Wlad deserved ZERO credit for beatin Mormeck. NONE. At least the guys Ali Holmes and Lewis fought were actually heavyweights, rather than blown up, past it cruiserweights with glass chins.

Ali, Johnson, and Louis have the best HW resume's of all-time, for their respective era's, and it's hardly debatable. Johnson's resume consists of ducking top flight fighters and midget bashing.

I know exactly what it was about, he was beating up on mostly no hopers that were not ready for a world class challenge. For the record, Vitali has beaten Ring top 10 ranked fighters 6 out of his 9 fights since coming back including the #2 guy twice (Peter and Adamek) and a Gold medalist. I think he's making due with what the division offers. Sorry bro but you have no clue what you're talking about if you want to condemn Louis' comp and be an apologist for Vitaly's. Just remember, Louis beat the best guy in the division, has more defenses than any other fighter and fought more #1 rated contenders than anyone besides Ali, if I'm not mistaken.

Lewis vs. Holyfield II is a "gift" candidate. lol!!!!! lewis won but it wasn't a dominant performance like the draw...

Ok, even so that doesn't change the fact that the Klitschko's get bashed for beating up on older guys like Mormeck who were world champions and won several title fights when Ali, Holmes and Louis get praised for beating 'never was' Wepners with a dozen losses or guys with ten fights total, etc. Wepner ko4 Mormeck

Did you really just start a thread to ask a question, then answer your own question, THEN complain about how nobody is responding? Do you really need to stroke the c0ck THAT hard? Lame. I knew before I posted the thread that nobody would answer. the reason is that this thread exposes more lies about the HW history. everything "pro-Klitschko" will get sh it on in this forum. and some pple just dont have the knowledge to talk about anything pre-Tyson cause they dont know jack about boxing history. its as simple as that

not a heavyweight but bernard hopkins has never had a close fight go his way or get a gift. even when he should have won thats simply not true. Watch Winky Wright vs Hopkins and you see this could easily have been a draw or a Wright win. furthermore Hopkins was totally inactive against Calzaghe and Jermain Taylor so I dont really see how you can have him winning those fights.