I just watched Marquez-Pacquaio III and found myself feeling really bad for Juan. It's like, wow...you just ruined this mans legacy. Not to mention rewriting boxing history. But then I realized that I was equally upset several other times in recent memory. So here goes:
If you could go back in time and change the scorecards in one of these fights, which would you do it for?
I know Campillo got the raw deal vs Cloud. And Lara beat the Punisher decisively. But Lara has been given a gift himself for the fight with Molina. Campillo has now been robbed twice.
But being as how high of a profile fight Pacman-Marquez 3 was, it takes the cake. Not the British telecast because they were on point. But hbo's bias was so sickening. Marquez was boxing beautifully they called it running. He was winning they said people are confusing not being beaten badly with winning. It was horrible.
lara might not amount to a hill of beans when this is all over
marquez is one of the greatest fighters of all time
Marquez has made money and is at the end of his career. Lara's career is completely stalled because of that robbery.
Surprised nobody mentioned the Hagler-Leonard fight since people seem to be totally divided on that fight.
What about Taylor - Chavez? The decision to let him go, or not.
Out of the list though I do go with Lara. Williams has been impossible to get a decision over it's insane. Remember that judge with martinez-williams?
Speaking of Martinez...he's turned out for the better, but the Cintron decision..s...were cringe worthy.
I agree with you that Oscar beat Tito (and I was a Tito fan at the time). However, I don't feel bad for him because this was the only time Oscar ended up on the losing end of a controversial fight, while he ended up on the winning end of several controversial decisions, including Pernell Whitaker, Ike Quartey and Felix Sturm.
Mosley II?
Lara by far. There's no interpretation, no arguing, nothing, Lara beat the hell out of Paul Williams. That would have been a win that could launch Lara into the upper level of the division, and set up the next step of his career, and he got screwed. Look at what has happened to him since.
lara might not amount to a hill of beans when this is all over
marquez is one of the greatest fighters of all time
Lara by far. There's no interpretation, no arguing, nothing, Lara beat the hell out of Paul Williams. That would have been a win that could launch Lara into the upper level of the division, and set up the next step of his career, and he got screwed. Look at what has happened to him since.
This.
I feel worst for Lara because it was by far the worst decision. The other fights were at least competitive.
Oscar-Tito was a joke. DLH won that fight very clearly and yet it's scored for Tito while the boxing press makes up the story that reads like this: "Oh, Oscar was winning the fight but his corner people gave him bad advice by telling him to box smart and so he gave away the last two rounds and so that's how he lost" -_-
I didn't compare that too Marquez-Pac 3, I said that debacle took place a decade ago, as opposed to JMM-MP happened recently.
I agree with you that Oscar beat Tito (and I was a Tito fan at the time). However, I don't feel bad for him because this was the only time Oscar ended up on the losing end of a controversial fight, while he ended up on the winning end of several controversial decisions, including Pernell Whitaker, Ike Quartey and Felix Sturm.
Lara by far. There's no interpretation, no arguing, nothing, Lara beat the hell out of Paul Williams. That would have been a win that could launch Lara into the upper level of the division, and set up the next step of his career, and he got screwed. Look at what has happened to him since.
This.
I feel sorry for Marquez as well but he gets to have a fourth fight with Pac and make a ton more money.
People will look back when he is retired and not really care about the result as they will know it was a close fight.
Lara on the other hand will get ducked and overlooked and might not make it as a top level fighter for a few years or at all now.
off the options listed I the poll, has to be Lara
he beat the shit out of Williams
not even slightly arguable for Williams to have won
that decision was sickening
Blake Dreisbach, BleacherReport.com: 116-112 Marquez
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
Ron Borges, The Sweet Science/Boston Herald/Ring Magazine: 117-112 Marquez
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Marquez
Michael Marley, The Examiner: 115-113 Marquez
Mike Coppinger, ******.com: 115-113 Marquez
Al Bernstein: 115-113 Marquez
Wayne McCullough: 115-113 Marquez
Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com: 116-113 Marquez
Matt Hamilton, EsNews.com: 116-115 Marquez
Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 115-113 Marquez
Bob Sheridan: 115-114 Marquez
John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun: 115-114 Marquez
Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 117-113 Marquez
Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 116-113 Marquez
Chris Williams, ************.com: 117-111 Marquez
Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 116-112 Marquez
Lyle Fitzsimmons, The Sports Network: 116-112 Marquez
Steve Bunce, BBC: 117-111 Marquez
Matt Lynch, BoxingToday: 116-112 Marquez
Chuck Giampa, Retired Boxing Judge: 116-112 Marquez
Glyn Leach, Boxing Monthly: 115-113 Marquez
Briggs Seekins, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Marquez
Oly Goldstein, BadLeftHook.com: 116-112 Marquez
Johnny Benz, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-111 Marquez
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
George Willis, New York Post: 115-113 Marquez
Rich Thomas, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 116-112 Marquez
Raj Parmar, 3MoreRounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports: 115-113 Marquez
James Slater, ********Boxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
Nick Tylwalk, BoxingWatchers.com: 115-113 Marquez
Bob Velin, USAToday: 115-113 Marquez
Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Marquez
Igor Guryashkin, ESPN: Marquez by one round
Brent Brookhouse, SB Nation: 115-113 Marquez
Will Cooling, FOX Sports/InsideFights: 118-110 Marquez
Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 116-112 Marquez
Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 115-113 Marquez
Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine/TheSweetScience.com/TheFist: 117-111 Marquez
Dan Ambrose, ************.com: 116-112 Marquez
Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 117-114 Marquez
Paul Magno, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Jerry Izenberg, Newark Star-Ledger: 115-114 Marquez
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Marquez
Fox Doucette, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Henry Ramirez, Boxing Trainer: 116-113 Marquez
Thomas Hauser, SecondsOut.com: 116-113 Marquez
Gerardo Granados, ************.com: 116-112 Marquez
Robert Guerrero: 116-112 Marquez
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-113 Marquez
Graham Shaw, SportingLife.com: 116-113 Marquez
55 scored it for Marquez if stating boxing Rec, like stop did. And 51 to Pacquiao.
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Thanks for posting this. According to "Stop" though, all these guys are either latino or bitter boxers that Pacquiao destroyed lol.
Oh and yeah, what is this I'm reading about Tito not getting a gift decision against De La Hoya??? Everyone knows Oscar outclassed Tito in that match. Sure he back peddled in the last two rounds but that was only after making Tito look desperate trying to be effective. Hell, most puerto ricans watching the fight that night knew Oscar was giving him a boxing lesson. All my friends acted like they won the lotto when the score was read. They thought Oscar was going to win right up to the announcement. Even Tito couldn't believe it. Anyone saying Oscar didn't win most of the rounds, frustrated Tito making him look desperate and landed the cleaner more effective punches is either puerto rican or an oscar hater, point blank. I'll also say this..
If they feel Tito beat Oscar then they'd better feel like Margarito beat Cotto in the rematch because it's basically the same $h!t that happened.
LMAOOO owned. My homey Stop making people who dont know about boxing look bad. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:
Blake Dreisbach, BleacherReport.com: 116-112 Marquez
Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
Ron Borges, The Sweet Science/Boston Herald/Ring Magazine: 117-112 Marquez
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Marquez
Michael Marley, The Examiner: 115-113 Marquez
Mike Coppinger, ******.com: 115-113 Marquez
Al Bernstein: 115-113 Marquez
Wayne McCullough: 115-113 Marquez
Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com: 116-113 Marquez
Matt Hamilton, EsNews.com: 116-115 Marquez
Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 115-113 Marquez
Bob Sheridan: 115-114 Marquez
John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun: 115-114 Marquez
Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 117-113 Marquez
Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 116-113 Marquez
Chris Williams, ************.com: 117-111 Marquez
Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 116-112 Marquez
Lyle Fitzsimmons, The Sports Network: 116-112 Marquez
Steve Bunce, BBC: 117-111 Marquez
Matt Lynch, BoxingToday: 116-112 Marquez
Chuck Giampa, Retired Boxing Judge: 116-112 Marquez
Glyn Leach, Boxing Monthly: 115-113 Marquez
Briggs Seekins, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Marquez
Oly Goldstein, BadLeftHook.com: 116-112 Marquez
Johnny Benz, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-111 Marquez
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
George Willis, New York Post: 115-113 Marquez
Rich Thomas, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 116-112 Marquez
Raj Parmar, 3MoreRounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports: 115-113 Marquez
James Slater, ********Boxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
Nick Tylwalk, BoxingWatchers.com: 115-113 Marquez
Bob Velin, USAToday: 115-113 Marquez
Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Marquez
Igor Guryashkin, ESPN: Marquez by one round
Brent Brookhouse, SB Nation: 115-113 Marquez
Will Cooling, FOX Sports/InsideFights: 118-110 Marquez
Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 116-112 Marquez
Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 115-113 Marquez
Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine/TheSweetScience.com/TheFist: 117-111 Marquez
Dan Ambrose, ************.com: 116-112 Marquez
Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 117-114 Marquez
Paul Magno, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Jerry Izenberg, Newark Star-Ledger: 115-114 Marquez
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Marquez
Fox Doucette, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
Henry Ramirez, Boxing Trainer: 116-113 Marquez
Thomas Hauser, SecondsOut.com: 116-113 Marquez
Gerardo Granados, ************.com: 116-112 Marquez
Robert Guerrero: 116-112 Marquez
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-113 Marquez
Graham Shaw, SportingLife.com: 116-113 Marquez
55 scored it for Marquez if stating boxing Rec, like stop did. And 51 to Pacquiao.
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no need for Sympathy really
THE PEOPLE KNOW JMM WON! I would rather be the "PEOPLES CHAMPIONS" then to walk around with some Bull***** Belt
Sadly it will be a new generation of Boxing fans who will be ignorant to the history of boxing and they will just look up Boxrec and it will say JMM lost to Pacquiao 3 Times, that part SUCKS, but currently most know he won those fights...ESPECIALLY THE LAST ONE, the other two...fine you can argue that is your a BIAS PACQUAIO FAN, I will give you that, but this last fight, you only look like a Bias idiot trying to defend that BS
Its true lots of fighters get robbed but Marquez wasn't just robbed of a W but was robbed of being the first (no offense to Morales) legit Mexican four weight world champion.
I feel bad for Vargas big time in the Tito fight, he fought his ass off and Tito cheated. Dirty prik.
Thanks for the laugh...
Don't get me wrong I always liked Vargas
"no fear" style,
but Tito was just the better boxer at that time...
I always say Vargas fought Tito at the wrong time
he could of had a better career if he wouldn't of fought
Tito at that time