If Floyd retires undefeated having beaten Martinez is he the greatest of the era?

he is already the best of his era IMO.

To be fair though (not that I'm picking sides because I dislike both Manny and Floyd) Manny is victim to the same rhetoric on these forums. We all remember the De La Hoya fight being made and we were calling Oscar cowardly picking on a smaller guy, it was a cherrypick for Oscar to go out on a victory, pretty much no one gave Manny a chance. Now if we bring up that fight its Manny weight drained Oscar, he fought a zombie that night etc. What I'm trying to say is we don't really know what shape the fighter is going to be in until we see him on that night. Oscar may have been weight drained that night, and Shane may have been 'shot' but both Manny and Floyd deserve all the credit for taking and dominating those fight. you cant have your cake and eat it too True, but size doesn't win fights. DLH was in major decline mode when Manny fought him. The guy struggled against Steve Forbes before fighting Manny. If I'm not mistaken, I think Forbes broke Oscar's cheek bone. What does this tell you? Team Pacquiao knew what they were doing by taking the DLH fight.

If Floyd retires undefeated and beats Martinez, I don't see how he doesn't go down as the best of this era from a skill and legacy stand point.

vote no becuase he is already the best of this era. i will remember floyd, jmm,and pac. the best of the era before him would have to be rjj, oscar, lewis, hopkins

Its always adult. My posts about boxing always reflect that. Just because some people's ideas about what boxing is or should be might differ than mine there's always respect. I know many of my opinions won't be popular, but I know my shit enough to be confident when I write them. You just started off running your mouth with the slick shit. So I see no reason to be civil with an asshole. But for you to ask if "I want more" would imply that you think you know anything. I've seen no evidence of that. I have seen, however, that you are more than willing to substitute your own opinion when facts would be more helpful, and you often write "I feel" or "in my opinion" because the facts don't support what you are saying! I'm not going to waste time on your opinion. When you're ready to take off your training pull-ups and discuss facts, see me then. I'll let you tell it. Floyd beat Mosley's Oscar is not a fact.

To be fair though (not that I'm picking sides because I dislike both Manny and Floyd) Manny is victim to the same rhetoric on these forums. We all remember the De La Hoya fight being made and we were calling Oscar cowardly picking on a smaller guy, it was a cherrypick for Oscar to go out on a victory, pretty much no one gave Manny a chance. Now if we bring up that fight its Manny weight drained Oscar, he fought a zombie that night etc. What I'm trying to say is we don't really know what shape the fighter is going to be in until we see him on that night. Oscar may have been weight drained that night, and Shane may have been 'shot' but both Manny and Floyd deserve all the credit for taking and dominating those fight. you cant have your cake and eat it too I don't know what people on here were saying about Pac-Oscar, because I didn't start reading the stuff on here till Mid 2009 or so. And I didn't join here until 2011. But I for one didn't think Manny-Oscar was a legit fight at all, for either one. It was a lose-lose all the way around. If Oscar somehow won, he was beating a smaller fighter, that's it. I thought Manny was going to win because Oscar was a weight he hadn't been at in 7-8 years and looked done in the Forbes fight. I don't blame Manny for taking that fight though, it launched him to Superstar status, good for him. The Oscar fight launched Floyd into superstar status as well, but at least Floyd fought him in a real fight at 154, where Oscar had a title after knocking out Mayorga at the time. I don't blame Floyd for that fight either. The fights I blame Manny for are Margarito-Mosley-Marquez at 144 in 11', those were as bad as it gets for a guy in his position. And the fights I blame Floyd for are Bruseles, Mitchell, and I did with Marquez at 144. Though, of course someone would naturally look back at Floyd's fight with JMM, after seeing JMM arguably beat Manny over 2 years later at the same weight, and give Floyd some props for shutting him out. I never bought into downplaying Pac's fights with Hatton and Cotto, they were good fights. Hatton was past his prime-still good, unbeaten at 140. Cotto was past his prime-still good, still a very good fighter. Same with me not buying into downplaying Floyd's fights with Mosley, Ortiz, and now Cotto I'm just happy we're getting 2 good fights from Floyd and Manny.

To be fair though (not that I'm picking sides because I dislike both Manny and Floyd) Manny is victim to the same rhetoric on these forums. We all remember the De La Hoya fight being made and we were calling Oscar cowardly picking on a smaller guy, it was a cherrypick for Oscar to go out on a victory, pretty much no one gave Oscar a chance. Now if we bring up that fight its Manny weight drained Oscar, he fought a zombie that night etc. What I'm trying to say is we don't really know what shape the fighter is going to be in until we see him on that night. Oscar may have been weight drained that night, and Shane may have been 'shot' but both Manny and Floyd deserve all the credit for taking and dominating those fight. you cant have your cake and eat it too Good post & it's the truth. How many fans of either Floyd & Pacman talk about who the other fights & tries to crap on other fighters not realizing the passes they dish out to their man.

For more what? How do you people keep score? Did you write something after my last post? Or are you just shaking your pom poms ... trying to rev yourself up to believe that you're smarter than you really are? hahaha@more Smarter than I am?? Wow, check it, we're talking boxing. We agree in some things & disagree on others. I keep it boxing, however you can feel free to pom pom & right long pages of opinion trying to pass it off as fact to dumb guys like hugh grant. But I know boxing & my arguments are legit. We can keep it adult. Well at least I'm going to. lol at pom pom's from a 31 year old too. ppfftt.

That's why you can't take some of these people serious. All I heard before the Mosley fight was that "Floyd won't fight Shane, he's too much of a risk after knocking Margarito out", "Floyd needs to fight Shane, or just retire", "Mayweather vs. Mosley is the best fight out there right now, he gets big credit if he whups Mosley". He fought Mosley, and yes Shane was past his prime, but everyone then said it was a cherry pick. All I heard after Ortiz beat Berto, and Mayweather-Ortiz was a rumor, was that "Floyd won't fight Ortiz. He's an explsoive southpaw with power, young, way too much of a risk for Floyd to fight him", "Pacquiao should fight Ortiz, that'd be a war", "Ortiz is a southpaw, he has a good shot to really hurt and trouble Mayweather". He fought Ortiz, and now these clowns say "Oh well, it was a cherry pick of a green fighter". Get the f**k outta here. You don't beat the likes of Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz, and become a 7x champ in 5 weight classes (should be 8 titles because he beat Shane), as well as become a lineal champ in 3 weight classes, without taking big fights and risks. If Manny had fought Mosley, Ortiz, and now Cotto at 154, people would be praising the hell out of him. The fact is that Bradley is Manny's first prime opponent since Solis, his best option since Marquez in 08', and his first legit fights since Cotto/Clottey. Floyd fighting Mosley and Ortiz when he did, and Cotto now, all good fights, I don't care what any bias person thinks. To be fair though (not that I'm picking sides because I dislike both Manny and Floyd) Manny is victim to the same rhetoric on these forums. We all remember the De La Hoya fight being made and we were calling Oscar cowardly picking on a smaller guy, it was a cherrypick for Oscar to go out on a victory, pretty much no one gave Manny a chance. Now if we bring up that fight its Manny weight drained Oscar, he fought a zombie that night etc. What I'm trying to say is we don't really know what shape the fighter is going to be in until we see him on that night. Oscar may have been weight drained that night, and Shane may have been 'shot' but both Manny and Floyd deserve all the credit for taking and dominating those fight. you cant have your cake and eat it too

You talk about risks. But, in Mayweather's last two fights you predicted him to lose. You predicted him to lose yet apparently they weren't risks. :lol1: :lol1: That's why you can't take some of these people serious. All I heard before the Mosley fight was that "Floyd won't fight Shane, he's too much of a risk after knocking Margarito out", "Floyd needs to fight Shane, or just retire", "Mayweather vs. Mosley is the best fight out there right now, he gets big credit if he whups Mosley". He fought Mosley, and yes Shane was past his prime, but everyone then said it was a cherry pick. All I heard after Ortiz beat Berto, and Mayweather-Ortiz was a rumor, was that "Floyd won't fight Ortiz. He's an explsoive southpaw with power, young, way too much of a risk for Floyd to fight him", "Pacquiao should fight Ortiz, that'd be a war", "Ortiz is a southpaw, he has a good shot to really hurt and trouble Mayweather". He fought Ortiz, and now these clowns say "Oh well, it was a cherry pick of a green fighter". Get the f**k outta here. You don't beat the likes of Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz, and become a 7x champ in 5 weight classes (should be 8 titles because he beat Shane), as well as become a lineal champ in 3 weight classes, without taking big fights and risks. If Manny had fought Mosley, Ortiz, and now Cotto at 154, people would be praising the hell out of him. The fact is that Bradley is Manny's first prime opponent since Solis, his best option since Marquez in 08', and his first legit fights since Cotto/Clottey. Floyd fighting Mosley and Ortiz when he did, and Cotto now, all good fights, I don't care what any bias person thinks.

:lol1: Wow ... what a way to try to justify double talk. Back for more??

LOL at these floms assuming in fantasy reality to make their ego spin out of control.:chairshot

He shouldn't skip Pacquiao...

He'd be the best of his era, I consider him that already. But if he doesn't beat Pacquiao, he's got to share the "greatest" honour with him. That's just the way it is. Fight, or share.

If he retires now he's the greatest of this era.

Actually something happened in the King suit, and something happened in the Norris segment as well. You're throwing names out there. Some who were not even looking at Tito direction. You asked why Tito didn't push for fights. I have you 3 examples where he did and the circumstances that prevented from going through. Not sure what else is there to discuss. You not bring no substance to this convo really. I just realized that you're debating men that are defending Floyd's greatness but trying to $h!t on Tito's welterweight resume. That's what I was trying to explain to Iron Dan. To defend the likes of Floyd & Pacman, their fans go to extreme lengths forcing you to pick apart Floyd's or Pacman's resume.

Floyd took it too easy for as long as can people can remember now. The major names on his resume like SSM, DLH were past it, JMM bloated, hatton nearly finished by Collazo etc etc so Floyd will always be playing catch up. If he beats Pac, Sergio and Alvarez he has a good shout to not be laughed at about considered being the best of the era. He will have a case and thats all he can do really. But that all depends on what Pac does, hes not retired yet BTW.

No. Because, he didn't fight the current: BWAA "Fighter Of the Decade" as well as FOTY; "#1 PFP" as per Boxingscene; Current World Guinness Book of Record Holder for the most Nos of Title won in different weight Divisions; Pacquiao ranked higher than Floyd Jr and Martinez in the PFP top ten!

If he defeats Martinez & Pac convingly, I would say yes, without a doubt.

How did he **** around? Stephens was the right before he went on pretty good run in 1994. He didn't "****ed around" in 1993 and he damn sure didn't "****ed around" in 1994. Now how many of those fighters and who were jumping to fight Tito? I mean it takes 2 to tango no? Also are we going to ignore the legal battles with King in the mid 90's? Solid poster with a Delahoya hatred and love of Trinidad. Theirs a J-ro in our midst.