There's no future for Linares in boxing

I have already explained how Golden Boy has been incompetent and made head scratching moves. You're saying that all 3 of Linares losses has come after he started working with Roach....That's false. I'm saying that all 3 of Linares loss came after signing with Golden Boy....That is a fact. So again you didn't fix anything now did you? I do think it was a mistake to put him up against a big puncher right before the Demarco fight, but Linares had fought in Mexico before, and i'm pretty sure they didn't change the venue or opponent. If they did, it was about 2 months before the fight, plenty of time for linares to prepare.

I must say that after watching the fight the stoppage did seem premature Linares was fully aware of what was going on and if that fight progressed i definitley feel linares would have taken control a big knockdown in the opening rounds doesnt necessarily dictate what is to come look at the cloud-campillo fight campillo was floored twice and went on to whoop clouds ass.

Freddie has said himself that his approach to fighters is not to change their style - but to use what they have, their strengths, and enhance those. I don't see too many differences between the Linares who fought Larios with the one from the DeMarco fight - just the opponent. DeMarco drew him into that kind of fight. You're right, Freddie may not be the right fit for him (and like I've said, I think Roach spreads himself too thin) but I just feel the criticism of Roach is a little OTT. It detracts from other factors that are to blame. It's always the same - a good fighter loses and people say he should hook up with the Mayweathers (what has either done recently beside Floyd), Steward, or the hot trainer of the moment (Garcia right now). Well, being a big fan of Linares, I must see it differently. I was never big on Linares hooking up with Roach. I was against it from when it was first revealed. For me, I think Linares would do better with Steward than Roach. Just based on Steward's track record with guys with similar body structures and styles as Linares. Tall, longer arms, boxer mentalities. I can't put all the blame on Roach because Linares is the guy fighting. But being a fan, you see Linares go from bright talent with a ton of potential to this. It's baffling and a bit frustrating. I have already explained how Golden Boy has been incompetent and made head scratching moves. You're saying that all 3 of Linares losses has come after he started working with Roach....That's false. I'm saying that all 3 of Linares loss came after signing with Golden Boy....That is a fact. So again you didn't fix anything now did you? Well, you're right. One is an opinion and the other is a fact. And I know the Salgado fight came before Roach, I've been following Linares for a very long time now. Back when he was with Teiken. But I suppose you don't really understand when people put "fixed" on another person's posts. So that is fine too. It's not always meant to be taken seriously. But obviously, you didn't understand that. So it's all good.

That's what everyone keeps saying, even the Mexicans which is weird, Mexicans back up theirs fighters no matter what. I gotta watch this fight to see what happened, but from the sound of it, it must've been badly premature. he was very much hurt he gets dropped and stays there on a knee, not looking completely composed until the ref hit 7 or 8 that's what you do when you get hurt

He wasn't even hurt. The kd was partly a punch and partly him being off balance because the other guy was smothering him. The stoppage was bunk. Typical hometown stoppage. Linares is only 26, he'll be fine. I think he destroys this guy in a rematch with ease. That's what everyone keeps saying, even the Mexicans which is weird, Mexicans back up theirs fighters no matter what. I gotta watch this fight to see what happened, but from the sound of it, it must've been badly premature.

I thought highly of Linares but each fighter has a way of fighting. Changing coaches can change how that fighter begins to fight. During the DeMarco match. If you were Linares' trainer what would you have told him going into the 11th? Being cut, blood steadily streaming out of his head but ahead on the cards. What would you have told him to do? It can be argued that his loss to DeMarco was premature, and if the fight was not stopped, he might have gotten a second wind and keep on cruising to a decision. It has happened plenty of times before, a boxer is winning, gets battered, then gets back on track again and wins. The ref didn't let that happen, and I was pissed. I have yet to watch the Thompson fight, but I see he's a big puncher, and I read that the stoppage was also premature. But with the Salgado fight, there was nothing premature, he just got knocked out, no doubt.

Pretty sure the Salgado loss was pre-Roach. I do find all anti-Freddie sentiment a little odd. Sure, he deserves some criticism - and I do believe he spreads himself too thin by devoting more attention to fighters who are not as gifted as Jorge (Khan/JCC JR) - but do people suddenly believe a change of trainer is gonna fix everything? Judging by the comments, it's all Freddie's fault. I love Jorge but something about his body language seemed off yesterday, from start to finish. I think it's pretty obvious he overlooked his opponent. Of course, Freddie should have devised a better game plan too. And I agree with Roman Moreno that they shouldn't be sending him to Mexico to fight, where odd calls like the stoppage are always likely to happen. They need to go back to the drawing board with this kid, cos he's so sublimely talented. Everyone - from Jorge, Freddie, GPB - need to get their sh*t together. And no, he shouldn't retire. Absurd suggestion. No-one tells journeymen with multiple KO losses to call it a day but a young fighter gets TKO'd twice and the jig is up? i think the idea of him retiring comes from the notion that he's not going to amount to what it was thought he was. it also doesnt look like his heart is in it. if he's made some money he can exit boxing with his faculties in check. if he sticks around he's either going to have to work his way back the hard way and make a fresh start at 26 i also dont think the talent is there on the level you see. he's got talent. if all they had to do was shadowbox he'd be a world champion. he just doesnt appear to have what it takes to be a top flight pro boxer to me. unless he wants to become a pawn and get the hell beat out of him he might want to move on

Pretty sure the Salgado loss was pre-Roach. I do find all anti-Freddie sentiment a little odd. Sure, he deserves some criticism - and I do believe he spreads himself too thin by devoting more attention to fighters who are not as gifted as Jorge (Khan/JCC JR) - but do people suddenly believe a change of trainer is gonna fix everything? Judging by the comments, it's all Freddie's fault. I love Jorge but something about his body language seemed off yesterday, from start to finish. I think it's pretty obvious he overlooked his opponent. Of course, Freddie should have devised a better game plan too. And I agree with Roman Moreno that they shouldn't be sending him to Mexico to fight, where odd calls like the stoppage are always likely to happen. They need to go back to the drawing board with this kid, cos he's so sublimely talented. Everyone - from Jorge, Freddie, GPB - need to get their sh*t together. And no, he shouldn't retire. Absurd suggestion. No-one tells journeymen with multiple KO losses to call it a day but a young fighter gets TKO'd twice and the jig is up? Don't you believe certain coaches have certain ways of training fighters? For instance, the Mayweather's pretty much train all fighters the same way. They put an emphasis on defense and very much, defense from the pocket. Taking time in the fight, never over reaching for anything, letting everything come to you. Freddie also has a specific style of coaching. He emphasizes more offense. Borderline blitzing opponents with overwhelming amount of punches. Some people I know even refer to Khan as bum rushing opponents. I just don't think Freddie is right for Linares. The way Linares fought before Roach wasn't an emphasis on offense. He boxed and used his range often. Linares still pumps his jab but look at the DeMarco fight, he found himself trying to trade shots with him often. Before, Linares would put together a combination, then get out of range. And if an opponent got lazy, he'd drop a hammer on him. I'm sure his level of competition has rose but this is a guy who dismantled Oscar Larios nothing but a year after Pacquiao went 12 with him. Some coaches don't fit some fighters. We should all know this. It's not something new, we see it many times before. I just don't think Roach is the right guy for him. He doesn't seem to coach Linares to his strengths.

I never thought highly of Linares, actually the only times I get to see him, he always loses. I think I saw one fight where he won actually which was Juarez. But to be fair to him, his losses came against 2 big punchers in Salgado and Thompson, and one good boxer DeMarco. And Salgado has been pretty good outside of his loss to Uchiyama, he even has two wins over Jrosales's brother, Guadalupe Rosales. But anyways, I don't see Linares being anything great, but who knows. With good matchmaking he can become "great". Hence the two videos of Pacquiao that I posted of him being TKO'ed brutally before he became what he is today. You can come back from brutal KO's but you need a very good team around you. I thought highly of Linares but each fighter has a way of fighting. Changing coaches can change how that fighter begins to fight. During the DeMarco match. If you were Linares' trainer what would you have told him going into the 11th? Being cut, blood steadily streaming out of his head but ahead on the cards. What would you have told him to do?

I never thought highly of Linares, actually the only times I get to see him, he always loses. I think I saw one fight where he won actually which was Juarez. But to be fair to him, his losses came against 2 big punchers in Salgado and Thompson, and one good boxer DeMarco. And Salgado has been pretty good outside of his loss to Uchiyama, he even has two wins over Jrosales's brother, Guadalupe Rosales. But anyways, I don't see Linares being anything great, but who knows. With good matchmaking he can become "great". Hence the two videos of Pacquiao that I posted of him being TKO'ed brutally before he became what he is today. You can come back from brutal KO's but you need a very good team around you.

That would actually be correct if he was undefeated when he actually started working with freddie. He had already been knocked out prior to joining Roach. So you didn't actually fix anything. You actually failed. But, you always fail when you try to talk boxing. Oh Flicker when will you learn? :nonono: Then please explain how golden boy changed his performance.

Linares before joining Freddie Roach 27-0(18ko's) Linares after joining Freddie Roach. 4-3(2ko's) all 3 losses by Ko's. Fixed it for you.

i don't think people should give up on him so easily. i would agree if the fight was a lot longer and he was still getting tagged but it was only 2 rounds. i think if the crooked doctor didn't stop the fight, linares would probably have adjusted and outclassed that guy.

Haven't all his losses come from Mexican fighters? He should avoid them for a bit and recuperate. at his weight that's unpossible. I'll have to check out this fight. i had high hopes for him.

I have seen most Linares fights. I thought he could be great, but I never liked how he got hit without rolling with the punch, way too often. I am starting to think that all those punches he could have taken power off of/avoided ruined his chin for good.

Jorge linares had no defense for that right hand Thompson kept on throwing...also WTF kind of ringside doctor was that? Didn't even bother to look at the cut he was too busy finding that ****ing red card of his...ugh bs stoppage. But I guess linares would have got ko'ed eventually but you never know linares could have came back..

Damn man, Linares lost another one? The guy looks like a million dollars in the beginning of every fight but somehow manages to lose. He should have beaten the mess out of DeMarco for instance and looked great in the first few....wtf

manny pacquiao ruined him, linares got cut vs pacquiao in sparring for demarco When I was watching the DeMarco fight and saw it being stopped this was the first thing that came into my head. I think Linares needs to get some surgeries on that face for those cuts and probably change trainer. I saw no improvement in him and last night after that first round my first words were "I didn't like how he got hit and that is not a good sign vs DeMarco." Last night was a very disappointing night for boxing as we saw a great talent fall yet again and I sure hope he proves me wrong and can bounce back but it's hard to stay optimistic about this one seeing how all his 3 losses were TKO's and 2 of them were to top 10 rated opponents.

Did Vazquez ever recover from those bad cuts he would always get? It kinda reminds me of Linares. I just didn't like how Linares was exchanging in that first round against the ropes. I really think he's hit the ceiling. I still hope he proves me wrong tho... Don't wanna see all that talent gone to waste. This is something that can be fixed, this is what happens when you're not disciplined to your own gameplan. To give Linares credit, he did wobble Sergio near the end of the 1st. I think it was a premature stoppage, but maybe it was for the best cuz the fight was only gonna get harder. I think he showed too much heart in that Demarco fight, he should've quit. Demarco put his face through a meat grinder, and all that scar tissue is gonna start opening up every-time he fights.