Valero's death was tragic, he didn't suffer enough before he went.
Yeah, I wish he would have fought Pacquiao, so Manny could have beats 7 bells out of him.
Billy Collins
Johnny Owen
Pancho Villa
Darren Sutherland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Guilledo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Sutherland
Valero got no sympathy from me based on the crime he committed.
I was a few miles away from were Forrest was killed that night in Atlanta so that made the news more shocking to me. But i'd probably go with Diego, boxing hasn't been the same without him.
Two things, one, I didn't have a lot of sympathy for Diego Corrales, either, because he was sentenced to prison (originally for six years) for beating the living crap out of his PREGNANT wife. Just because she didn't die (like Valero's wife) and their child didn't die (either or both of which could've easily happened) didn't make it better.
And two, he was done fighting when he died. He hadn't won a fight in two years before he died. And in his last fight he didn't win a round.
So I don't know how it really changed boxing with him being dead.
Valero got no sympathy from me based on the crime he committed.
I was a few miles away from were Forrest was killed that night in Atlanta so that made the news more shocking to me. But i'd probably go with Diego, boxing hasn't been the same without him.
Boy, 10 years ago, if you said Julio Gonzales, Julian Letterlough, Diego Corrales, Arturo Gatti and Vernon Forrest would "all" be dead within the decade, people would've thought some catastrophic event must have taken place.
I don't recall anything like that since the early 80s, when Salvador Sanchez, Johnny Owen, Victor Galindez, and Cleveland Denny died.
But I don't consider the Corrales, Gatti, Forrest, Letterlough and Gonzales stuff "the most" tragic because most were at the ends of their careers or retired. So was Galindez.
The one that's always bothered me the most was the U.S. Olympic boxing team dying in a plane crash in 1980. That was back when boxing was at it's peak in terms of mainstream popularity. Everyone watched pro AND amateur boxing.
Big things were expected of that team. The 1976 team was considered the best U.S. Olympic team ever. The 1980 team was considered just as strong. Lem Steeples had won the Pan American Games. He was already becoming a superstar and the favorite to win Gold. Carlos Palomino's brother, Paul, was on the team. He died. Fourteen boxers and the coach of the 1976 Team Sarge Johnson were all killed. Future champs Bobby Czyz and Tony Tucker missed the flight.
A couple months later, President Carter announced the U.S. would boycott the Olympics, but they held the boxing trials anyway. Future champs like Donald Curry, Johnny Bumphus, Richie Sandoval, and top contenders like James Shuler made the team after everyone else died.
When fourteen possible future stars and the country's top boxing coach. all die on the same day ... that's huge. And, four or five years later, boxing started disappearing from network television in the U.S. A lot of factors contributed to that, but you can't overlook the fact that 14 of the top young U.S. fighters at the start of that decade never turned pro.
Can you imagine if that had happened to the 84 team, and how different the sport would've been without Evander Holyfield, and Pernell Whitaker and Meldrick Taylor, etc.? That 1980 crash was a huge loss. Even the guys who DIDN'T make the flight and WEREN'T good enough to go to Poland became champs.
Which un-timely death in boxing do you find the most tragic?
Hipolito Saucedo commited suicide after his loss to Danny Romero. I remember him clearly being the better fighter but that Romero won somehow(kinda like Luis "Artezano" Cruz being better but losing to Burgos). It just bothered me that maybe he wouldn't have been so down and depressed if he'd become champion----and he was so close----the better fighter. Fu.ck! That shi.t bothers me.
I say that there can be no other than Bill Stribling. He boxed under the name of Young Stribling, and had nearly 300 fights before he was killed at age 28. He has the next highest KO record to Archie Moore, over 120. I used to read about him when I was a kid beginning boxing. He was a very prominent figure. You guys should look him up, it would be an education as to what boxing was all about before I was born, although when I was growing up, it was on the slide by then. Stribling was exceptional. I've seen pictures of him wearing a flying helmet, and I think he owned an aeroplane. Rare for his times.
They were a family vaudeville act of acrobats, and travelled all over the States and I think think even in Europe too. I know he was in England, and fought all the top guys there. His father and mother were missionaries of some sort, and his dad became manager and his mother was trainer, she used to spar with him.They were Ma and Pa Stribling and were a sincerely religious family. He had a young brother they called, Baby Stribling,and were all devoted to one another. Nat Fleischer wrote about them. They were a famous family in boxing.
His death was very tragic. His wife had a baby and he was going to the hospital to see the baby for the first time on a motorbike, and was hit by a car. It took him a little while to die and I seem to remember that all he would talk about was his wife and baby. It was really sad. He would have beaten Schmeling for the title only was stopped (on a TKO?) in the last few seconds of the fight when well ahead.
Salvador Sanchez, young guy that beat two HOF and one can only imagine what else he could had achieved.
Valero bringing real competition at 140lb. But he already had that trouble with his wife so he might had been out of the picture anyway