Floyd is undefeated because he works the hardest

If JLC wanted to win a decsion he should have started trying to win way sooner~ he lost five of the first six rounds which means he would have to sweep the rest of the rounds to win with no knockdowns even taking into account the point deductions because it was one a piece. The last six round were tough and close but were much closer than the first six. I don't see how that is a clear JLC win, the first half was clearly Floyd's the second half JLC did better but it was still very give and take and Floyd fought his ass off to not get overrun. JLC had no intention of winning on the cards though he intended on knocking Floyd out, he failed in his plan and he lost because he failed to do so.

Floyd is undefeated because he chose to fight the best when they weren't prime!!! Not in all cases mind you, but there were a lot of fights out there that were really dangerous and he didn't want nothin to do with them at the time. That being said he's still an amazing fighter!!!

Pac is a welterweight. Floyd is also a welterweight. They are both small welterweight fighters. Pac has the much bigger torso and bigger legs, Floyd has like an inch in height and longer arms. Both small for the weight class. Pac could still make JWW if he wanted to no way Floyd could at this point he couldn't cut down to the catchweight in the JMM fight in 09 Floyd doesn't go up much on fight night like other WW's do but physically, he's still a legit WW don't think Pac is, he stays at WW for bigger money he'd have no problem making 140

Never really thought about this but that makes Floyd's win over Marquez semi-respectable actually since Marquez went on to trouble Pacquiao Floyd didn't prove anything in that fight that's actually why everybody thought Pac would smoke JMM people thought about JMM vs Floyd and saw WW as too much for JMM the difference is, Floyd is a real WW and Pac isn't Floyd was 2 divisions up, Pac was only 1 Pac being at WW recently fooled people into thinking he's a WW physically, he isn't, he's still just a JWW he looked good boxing against bigger, slower men against a smaller guy who can box himself, Pac looked like crap boxing

Mayweather lost to Castillo. Makes me laugh all the Floyd fans saying you dont win on points against Manny what about Floyd hahaha

and only dumbasses thought Marquez would be another walk in the park. they'll never learn that boxers will always trouble pac JMM wasn't discounted based on skill or age even past 35, he's been knocking dudes out left and right his technical game is still world class JMM was discounted based on size people forgot Pac isn't a real WW himself he wasn't visibly bigger and more powerful like expected people knew JMM had the style, it's proven in 2 previous fights they thought size alone was the determining factor

maybe, maybe not. i agree floyd was a bit greedy, but manny shoulda taken what was offered cause it still woulda been the most hes ever made, and its lookin real real good right now... What Pac gets 40 mil and Mayweather gets 100+mil yeah great deal for Pac lol ffs

u make this type of thread youll get 20 pages of flom0s s@cking floyds d!ck works the hardest? going to vacations and fights ones a year??? is that wat u call working hard??? where is your brain larry? Have you ever thought of how stupid you look dedicating your entire boxingscene account, avatar, signature, posts, and all, to a boxer you hate? Just something to think about.

And you don't think the way people viewed Castillo as nothing but an easy fight prediction skewed people's perception on how they saw the fight while it was going on? You're having double standards here. no double standards here only dumbasses saw Castillo as a walkover for Floyd it was understandable for people to think Pac-JMM 3 would be easy not so with Castillo vs Floyd

Castillo didn't dominate Floyd, either. It was a weird fight to score. They were still both clear victories for the other guy though. Like Mosley/Delahoya 1. Castillo controlled the 2nd half of the fight, not the whole way he got Floyd to stop boxing and fight with him thought the rds won by both guys were pretty clear Castillo had the edge and Floyd's deduction hurt him Pac tried to box JMM in the 3rd fight and it wasn't the right plan he did ok, but he was in a tit for tat fight that wasn't supposed to be predictions for that fight skewed peoples' thoughts on the outcome saw that as an even fight that either guy coulda won by 1 point

Yeah, Pac hung his head in shame in the 3rd fight. He knew he didn't deserve that decision. I know the feeling of getting gifted in fights. that fight was a cherrypick Pac thought JMM had nothing for him he knew he was made to look stupid since he was supposed to win by KO he failed to do that, but that doesn't mean he lost outright he deserves the criticism he's gotten for that fight just not seeing how JMM "dominated" him he kept him from looking like a juggernaut, which no one expected JMM has gotten extra credit for that since he was supposed to get KO'd those 2 fought evenly in the 3rd fight, nobody dominated

Agreed. I've always said Floyd lost to Castillo, regardless, he avenged the defeat handily. It doesn't mean Floyd loses his standing, he came back and avenged a possible loss which is what champions do. If anything it makes him greater. Pacquiao's greatness takes a hit because he was outboxed twice by Marquez after that first fight, and once in a fight that was out of Marquez' weight class by two classes. That looks bad IMO. never said Floyd loses his standing as a great fighter just don't view him as undefeated, thought he unarguably lost to JLC and don't dispute his win in the rematch, never have and getting outboxed isn't a crime unless it leads to a defeat Pac only outboxes bigger guys, he's an attacker with smaller guys JMM matched Pac the 2nd time, he just suffered a crucial KD that 3rd rd stole Pac a razor thin win agreed Pac looked bad in the 3rd fight it was a shit fight for him to take and he looked ish doesn't take anything away from his overall greatness though just from the HBO hype that he's evolved into a great boxer, he hasn't

it cold have went either way, wasnt he hurt? no excuses but when i saw the fight i though castillio won but ive watched it again and it could clearly go either way... well to be fair they had a immediate rematch.... and floyd won nobody disputes the rematch, Floyd beat him straight up

it cold have went either way, wasnt he hurt? no excuses but when i saw the fight i though castillio won but ive watched it again and it could clearly go either way... well to be fair they had a immediate rematch.... and floyd won yep he had a shoulder injury and went on to fight anyway still beating him, and then completely dominated him in the rematch with no injury

I had Castillo beating Mayweather. And I had Marquez beating Pacquiao twice. So do I now get to hand out fake victories to them? Floyd 41-1 and Pac now only has a draw against Marquez? if that's what you saw, that's what you state think Montell beat Roy? Chavez earned his Whitaker draw? what we clearly see is not always what the judges say if you feel a loss/win/draw, was incorrect, you say so don't piggyback official results or public majority assess a fighter's record as you personally see it think Castillo won and JMM won? don't hold your tongue because the judges don't agree with you say it, and if debated, back it up

http://i41.tinypic.com/2py6xk7.jpg hmm I wonder out of the 24% who voted Pac won, how many were from "Knights of Ako Pa ha?" Anyway, I saw Marquez beating Pac 8-4 rounds. Simple as that.

I saw Marquez outboxing Pacquiao throughout the fights. you saw this the entire fight all 3 times? if that's what you're saying, we can end this debate you think JMM shut Pac out, stopped him from doing anything at all?

Well I, along with 90% of NSB and credible boxing sources saw Marquez beat Pacquiao. So there we have it, Marquez beat Pac. you defend what you saw, not other people back it up, tell us in detail what you saw, break it down That's all it is. His biases are a bit too transparent to be taken seriously. don't cop out, we're having a good talk here no gayweather vs Pacroid bullshit, come with real observations defend your stance, how did Floyd beat Castillo?

don't have a problem with Floyd claiming he's undefeated the man can say whatever he wants but we saw him get beat by Castillo the 1st time and get a gift not arguing Floyd's record, arguing the merit of his 1st JLC "win" Nobody is claiming anything. It is a FAKT!! Check boxrec br0

no one disputes Floyd is better than Pac we're talking about greatness here Floyd is the better fighter, Pac is the greater fighter Pac's losses don't deny him his greatness 2 of them were when he was a damn kid we're talking about what we saw, not what the judges said dude, Castillo overpowered Floyd, he won clearly Pac beat JMM, closely, but also clearly the 1st fight was decisive, 7-5 Pac plus KD points 2nd fight woulda been a draw without the KD that 3rd round stole Pac the fight neither guy dominated the 3rd fight both guys did ok, Pac just underperformed JMM bested the expectations of his performance that opens the door for people to complain wouldn't argue if JMM got the 3rd fight, but he lost Well I, along with 90% of NSB and credible boxing sources saw Marquez beat Pacquiao. So there we have it, Marquez beat Pac.