Arum rejects Martinez vs Chavez Jr

Green K! I hear ya man. I cant believe there are ppl who are actually defending Arum's actions and basing it on the fact that Sergio is not a draw... Are these guys not boxing FANS! I can somewhat understand if you're a team member of a specific boxer and have a personal financial interest you have to protect. But if you're just a fan like 99% of us here and you're not exactly keen or pushing for most competitive fights for your fighter, you're either very insecure about your guy or you're simply a sheep. Yep, I think any huge fan of Chaves Jr. has to be worried about Martinez.

so how old is bob arum? I'm not like wishing the old bastard dead or anything ... well not really ... but u know ... out of interest? He turns 81 in December I believe. Tick tock Bob, watch those stairs on the way down won't you!

This is exactly the attitude that has really hurt boxing in the modern era. Green K! I hear ya man. I cant believe there are ppl who are actually defending Arum's actions and basing it on the fact that Sergio is not a draw... Are these guys not boxing FANS! I can somewhat understand if you're a team member of a specific boxer and have a personal financial interest you have to protect. But if you're just a fan like 99% of us here and you're not exactly keen or pushing for most competitive fights for your fighter, you're either very insecure about your guy or you're simply a sheep.

Figures. Never fails.

i'm not even going to talk about chavez martenez as I know its not going to happen. I reckon the best I can hope for is Andy Lee getting a shot at Chavez, but that probably won't happen either, chavez/arum will run from that too, just like they'll run from anyone who might have a real shot at taking his paper championship Mundine supposedly dropped the fight with Trout, so he could be thrown in the mix with Chavez/Martinez. FML!

i'm not even going to talk about chavez martenez as I know its not going to happen. I reckon the best I can hope for is Andy Lee getting a shot at Chavez, but that probably won't happen either, chavez/arum will run from that too, just like they'll run from anyone who might have a real shot at taking his paper championship

Uhhhh JCC JR calls the shots. Sergio doesn't get to "negotiate" when he is a complete and total PPV failure and ratings disaster. He must either accept the table scraps JR decides to offer him under the terms JR decides to give him, or he can go fight some eurobum for pennies. 85/15 and JR kicks Sergio's ass. The first sentence in your post proves that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Nobody who works for Arum calls the shots. Arum decides who they fight, when they fight and how much money they are going to make. The fight was ordered by the WBC and should have taken place in February. Instead, Chavez is going to be allowed to have two easy fights against journeymen before they can even begin negotiations. The WBC should order them to fight or strip Chavez Jr. just like they do everyone else.

so how old is bob arum? I'm not like wishing the old bastard dead or anything ... well not really ... but u know ... out of interest?

lets list all the fights bob arum is preventing Excellent idea. A few come to mind: Mayweather/Pacquaio Martinez/Chavez Gamboa/Lopez

Bob protecting Chavez jr much like he's been protecting pac for years now. Bob has an agenda and certain fighters like Mayweather and Martinez are not on it...

this division is really showing up the worst of boxing politics lately. There's plenty of decent fights to be made but instead you got paper champion Sturm hiding out in Germany getting gift decisions, paper champion chavez refusing to fight, sanctioning bodies that don't know what the feck is going on .... thats why, to me, its one of the worst divisions in boxing. its a ****ty division plain and simple.

Promoters are a pain.

this division is really showing up the worst of boxing politics lately. There's plenty of decent fights to be made but instead you got paper champion Sturm hiding out in Germany getting gift decisions, paper champion chavez refusing to fight, sanctioning bodies that don't know what the feck is going on ....

According to ESPN Deportes, Sampson Lewkovicz (Martinez's promoter) said that Arum decided to cancel the negotiations for a fight between Chavez Jr and Martinez. Martinez was pushing for a fight during September in Las Vegas, but Lewkovicz said that arum decided to unilaterally cancel all the negotiations. Here is the source but it's in spanish: http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=1487729&s=box&type=story This is not surprising. Arum did the same thing when Richard Schafer tried to negotiate a fight between Mayweather and Pacquaio a few months ago. But, P.actards will still believe Arum and claim Martinez is ducking Chavez.

lets list all the fights bob arum is preventing This would make a good thread. Every TR fight that doesn't get made, he's usually one of the reasons why.

Gifts? that's when your credibility falls short, tell me when Molina dominated Chavez, Julio was outworking him all the fight And you didn't watch the Vanda fights you are just a blind hater, Julio just got tired at the end of the first fight, and dominated Vanda in the second Zbik and Marco Antonio Rubio can beat Canelo, hell even Alfonso Gomez was taxing that ass, until the ref stop it quick Why do you think Jr gave Molina a rematch if the decision wasn't controversial? LOL mexican fans were throwing **** in the ring after they heard the decision in the first Vanda fight. Were they hating too?

It's a bunch nonsense from Gabe side. But, apparently VADA testing procedures are more thorough, I guess they test more often, are more open to reveal the test outcome than USADA/WADA is and VADA test for some things that USADA/WADA don't. He fave me a name of a drug that USADA/WADA doesn't test for but VADA does. I forgot what it was called though. Let me see if I can find the name. sounds hypocritical to me. even if that were true and i dont deny it is, vada was created in 2011. floyd was talking about ost in 2009, thats 2 years. when floyd bought it up, for whatever his reasons were, usada was the best thing out. its kinda hard to penalize him for something better coming out a few years later. and if he says its floyd's testing and floyd somehow controls it, if im correct, victor conte is a major player in vada and he works with some of the athletes who use the system so those athletes arent exactly disinterested themselves. really sounds like a bunch of ridiculous bull to me.

This is exactly the attitude that has really hurt boxing in the modern era. You have to ask why is sergio not a draw, It certainly aint his style, its exciting and he has his faults so it makes any of these fights huge fights for true boxing fans. But he doesnt have any "personality" because his english isnt good but yet he isnt mexican or puerto rican so he has no hispanic fanbase. As sad as it is, I think if he did flips over the ropes or stupid dances in the ring and talked **** through his translator he would be a PPV star. And him not getting any big fights has nothing to do with Dibella not being able to promote him. Its all about money and none of the other promoters want to give up any money working outside of their stable. They did it before Sergio's big wins over williams and pavlik when sergio couldnt demand **** but now even when he is linear champ and willing to take a much lower split he still cant make the fights.

Oh, the irony of this photo... http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u488/mhadeen24/SERGIOSSTEROIDS.jpg LMAO, I know I was just about to say something. Puto gets caught using diuretics before and now immediately refuses when additional testing is brought up. Arum refusing to let Chumpez fight Martinez doesn't hurt Martinez, it makes Arum and his entire team look like utter monkey schit. Now Chumpez will be asked about it every single time he is in the media spotlight. Or.....it could all be extending from the fact that Chumpez won't sign for this upcoming fight because he is being forced into a contract extension by Uncle Arum just like Bradley was being forced into an extension with Shaw.

He still says the same thing. The difference is(according to him) USADA/WADA is "Floyd testing". But, VADA is legit. Also Gab is a Floyd hater. But, also he is a Martinez mark. This man went at Quillin about the whole Martinez thing. And, then tried to somehow justify Guerrero-Floyd to make Floyd look bad I assume. how can that be plausible when they follow the same guidelines supposedly. the only difference is usada is the older, more accredited organization.