Is it wrong to have Andre Ward P4P #3?

No. The guy whupped everyone at SMW, which is a far deeper divsion that ones that Sergio and Nonito (118 was deep but he only fought 1 good guy there, and he hasn't fought anyone at 122 yet either) fight in. Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham, Froch, and without any sign of struggle. I have Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Ward as the Top 3. Some poster said Ward is #8??? I'd LOVE for someone to name 7 better fighters than Andre Ward right now. mayweather,pacquiao,marquez,martinez,donaire,v.klitschko,w.klitschko

I have Ward number two some people naming Nonaire I have him number 7 right now on mine.

Ward should beat Sergio and then he deserves no2 ahead of Floyd and behind Pac. Part time fighters like Floyds place should never be set in stone, Floyd needs to get off of his backside. Ward only beat the best super middles and whos saying that is such a strong division with great fighters? Carl Froch was a good win, and Ward showed some nice skills but needs to do a bit more.

Kessler, Froch, Bika, Abraham>Montiel, Narvaez, WV2, Sydorenko I think Donaire's resume is somewhat better, only thing is his large phys advantage over his opps. But we don't penalize fighters for this, right, as long as they make weight. Donaire has 2 top 10 p4p scalps, Ward none (Froch was close). p4p Montiel > Kessler, Froch > WV2 (though I wouldn't be surprised if WV had a better career in the end). Narvaez > Abraham, both short, both lots of title defenses below, but only 1 has boxing skills. Bika has never won a world title, and probably never will. Donaire's second rate comp like Mthalane and Tyson Marquez are world champs.

No. The guy whupped everyone at SMW, which is a far deeper divsion that ones that Sergio and Nonito (118 was deep but he only fought 1 good guy there, and he hasn't fought anyone at 122 yet either) fight in. Kessler, Green, Bika, Abraham, Froch, and without any sign of struggle. I have Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Ward as the Top 3. Some poster said Ward is #8??? I'd LOVE for someone to name 7 better fighters than Andre Ward right now.

It's wrong not have him #1.

Any spot nut the number one is up for grabs.... And we all know who the number one is

1 Marquez 2 Pacquiao 3 Martinez 4 Mayweather (won't fight PAC or Martinez) 5 Donaire 6 WK 7 Ward (won't fight Bute) 8 VK 9 Rios 10 Gamboa you get lucian bute's team was frothing at the mouth to take on ward right after the tournament not because of lucian's superiority, but because of the advantages he'd have fighting a guy who has had such a hard 2-3 year run? you can dig that i hope. ward is NOT ducking bute people get accused of "ducking" all the time in situations that do not involve a "duck." ducking somebody is refusing to fight them for no real reason when that fight makes the most sense if ward's promotors got him the bute fight right after the tournament they'd be making a horrid mistake should bute get a shot at the winner of the tournament even though he was left out and fighting guys on a lower tier? hell, that sounds a hell of a lot better than facing top 10 guys one after the other and earning a shot at the winner. sign me up.

1 Marquez 2 Pacquiao 3 Martinez 4 Mayweather (won't fight PAC or Martinez) 5 Donaire 6 WK 7 Ward (won't fight Bute) 8 VK 9 Rios 10 Gamboa

As long as both Mayweather and Marquez are in your top 3, you can put whoever you want in the other spot.

mayweather marquez (by virtue of his W over pacquiao. i dont care what anybody says. that fight was a robbery and marquez clearly won. clear as day.) and then ward that's my top 3. manny is not what he once was. he doesnt talk, train, or act like the best fighter on the planet. and he certainly doesn't fight that way

i dont think so. his resume isnt as good as some of the other top fighters, but in terms of pure ability he could be the best fighter in the sport. the question is how much do you base your p4p list on what you see in him and how much do you base it on accomplishments on paper. either way its not like ward lacks accomplishments or resume. i think he should be no lower than 6 at worst so to have him at 3 isnt a stretch imo. its just a matter of time before hes #1 anyways, sillakh and dawson could give him a run for his money but i think ward will be dominant force in boxing in the next couple of years.

Not wrong to have him as #1 IMO. He was great last year, and I don't see anyone in or around him beating him.

:lol1::lol1: see i dont think resume/achievements should go into a p4p list as heavily as they to an ATG list. i consider my p4p list based on who i think has the most skill much more so than the accomplishments on their resume. i understand it can be hard to truly see someone's skill level if they have fought trash their whole career but i certainly think cotto has fought good enough opposition to be excluded from that category

how anyone doesn't have marquez at 3 shocks me i can agree with this

how anyone doesn't have marquez at 3 shocks me he should be 2nd really

Its not wrong to have have Andre #1 as far as im concerned .. There's no one around his weight class that can beat him.. He surely beats Martinez easily.. He's not exciting to watch for me, but he is special.. but #1 would mean there would be nobody around any weight class that could beat him everyone was the same weight. i still dont think he'd beat floyd p4p. i definitely have ward high on my list though

He should be #4 Martinez and Donaire are the ones that are too freaking high IMO 1.Pacquiao 2.Floyd 3.JMM 4.Ward 5.Wladimir 6.Martinez 7.Froch 8.Donaire 9.Cotto 10.Bradley i like your list but froch at #7 is blowing my mind right now? froch ahead of donaire and cotto is an absolute travesty

Donaire is far from nr 3. Ward has beaten the far better opposition.

1. manny 2. floyd 3. andre 4. jmm 5. nonito 6. wladimir 7. gamboa 8. sergio 9. bradley 10. vladimir 21. cotto