Can Andre Ward be considered great if......

What does this have to do with Marvin Hagler? How long have you considered yourself a fan of the sport? A week?

Is Hagler great? What does this have to do with Marvin Hagler?

Is Hagler great?

Ward wouldn't have much power at LHW, would he have the chin? questionable, I remember him talking about how much one of Abraham's shots had hurt him. He has shown no inclination towards moving up, he wouldn't even give Dawson 2lbs. There are a lot more fights at 168lbs for Ward. What does he have to do to be great? keep fighting and beating the best in the division - the more wins away from home the better.

I think so, but he'd effectively have to silence the weight class

Scaling divisions is overrated unless you've already cleaned out your own division and left no stone unturned.

If he beats Dawson then Ward will have beaten the best of two divisions. Not if he has him come down to 168..... Ward has already shown me that he is scared of 175. I guarantee the only people he fights at 175 (if he goes there) are dudes he beat at 168 who moved up. His style is to crowd and muscle his opponent.....that ain't happening with top level LHW so I'm sure he's gonna Calzaghe out and stay a SMW. It would be easy for him to do because he doesn't cut as much weight to make 168 as other fighters do.

If he beats Dawson then Ward will have beaten the best of two divisions.

ofcourse he could, plenty of great fighters only fought in one weightclass. its all about who you beat and theres plenty of talent at 168.

Simple answer....... Yes

Man already has kickass resume. Just give him some time.

To be a great fighter today, you almost have to be a weight jumper, kinda of stupid, but whatever. But to really be great, no matter what, he needs to fight Bute and Dirrell. If he does that and makes a Hopkin's style run at 168, maybe he could be considered great if he never moved up. No.. just no bro. I'm sorry. Bute had never fought anyone worthwhile and the moment he did he lost, BAD. He's still a prospect as far as I'm concerned, he was just being hyped up so ridiculously. People seem to forget his first test in the extremely limited Andrade ended badly. Dirrell fits in that same discription. Having only fought 2 big fights and he performed well in both, but 1 of them was a career MW who proved that he was too slow and too small for the division, so it's really hard to give full credit for that win, but it's in the books. He has beaten the other great fighters in his division. Kessler, Froch. Those are the only other "great" fighters in his weight, he's beaten them. Bute is not "greaT" or anywhere near it, nor is Dirrell. They are just good fighters, aspiring to be. There are tough fights ahead for him, but he's beaten the whos who of the top of the food chain IMO, at this point everyone else is just to increase his name. I expect to see him move to 175 and get either a Kess Rematch (assuming Kess keeps impressing in another fight) or accepting a challenge by the Cloud/Pascal winner.

??? The Dirrell Brothers, Lucian Bute, Robert Stieglitz...also up and comers like Thomas Oosthuizen, Edwin Rodriguez, George Groves... Ward is just getting started in his Division and as a fighter he is just entering his PRIME, Super 6 was just the FIRST CHAPTER of Ward's Pro Career but yeah he will probably move up to 175 eventually I doubt if any of those happen at 168. Ward can go up to 175 and take on all of these dudes, but he has Chad coming down to 168. Who does that? Go up to 175! If he beats Chad Dawson at 175 he'd be on the road to greatness.

Absolutely. Hagler had sixty something fights at middleweight and fought some great competition (that moved up) throughout his career. Ward has nothing left to prove at 168 and we haven't found the beast at 160who's moving up in weight that would be a threat to Ward. Plus there is a lot of competition at 175 in America. ??? The Dirrell Brothers, Lucian Bute, Robert Stieglitz...also up and comers like Thomas Oosthuizen, Edwin Rodriguez, George Groves... Ward is just getting started in his Division and as a fighter he is just entering his PRIME, Super 6 was just the FIRST CHAPTER of Ward's Pro Career but yeah he will probably move up to 175 eventually

Pretty much all of the heavyweight ATGs were one-division champs. I don't see why not. But I think Ward will go wandering upward as he gets older, and good luck to him. I actually meant to say "Not including heavyweights"

So you dont think Hopkins was great before moving up? Sheeid how great was he? His best win was Tito. If BHop retired after that fight his greatness would have been questioned. Which is why I chose Andre Ward in particular with regard to this question. I personally think at this point he would have to go to LHW to be considered great.

who is that????? Felix Trinidad.

How do you know I'm not taking shots at Sven Ottke? Difference between Hopkins and Calzaghe is that almost 50 percent of Hopkins title defenses were against Top 5 opposition one of which was against a legit HOF'er and boaderline ATG in his prime or close to his prime as opposed to Calzaghe who fought an almighty 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5 at 168 and a grand total of 0 HOF fighters in general during his reign. Not really comparable reigns. Ottke and Calzaghe though their title reigns are like two peas in a pod except Calzaghe is a little bit better quality of pea. who is that?????

Is Hagler great? Absolutely. Hagler had sixty something fights at middleweight and fought some great competition (that moved up) throughout his career. Ward has nothing left to prove at 168 and we haven't found the beast at 160who's moving up in weight that would be a threat to Ward. Plus there is a lot of competition at 175 in America.

cause i know you are taking shots at Calzaghe and he and hopkins both stayed in 1 division and cleaned it out. How do you know I'm not taking shots at Sven Ottke? Difference between Hopkins and Calzaghe is that almost 50 percent of Hopkins title defenses were against Top 5 opposition one of which was against a legit HOF'er and boaderline ATG in his prime or close to his prime as opposed to Calzaghe who fought an almighty 2 fighters ranked in the Top 5 at 168 and a grand total of 0 HOF fighters in general during his reign. Not really comparable reigns. Ottke and Calzaghe though their title reigns are like two peas in a pod except Calzaghe is a little bit better quality of pea.