Sergio didnt look great until after the 8th
Macklin(a terrible boxer) was actually 50-50 in the fight while simply boxing and got a knockdown
Sergio's main tool is a counter jab and a str8 left and is very predictable. His main strategy is to break down the opponent but Floyd doesnt break down. He's as fresh in the 12th as he in the 11th
Floyd should take this fight now, which he will win
lol @ fl0mos trying to protect floyd's duck by downplaying martinez.
Martinez is not an easy fight for ANYBODY.
You think mosley hit mayweather hard? Wait til he tastes sergio's left hand. - and more than once.
sergio's leg's can cover half the ring in 2 seconds, floyd cannot run away from him and if he goes backwards he gets caught. Sergio also has superior reach and the speed to use it.
I would put my money on martinez in that fight.
First of all, when it comes to boxing skills, Sergio Martinez isn't even on the level of Shane Mosley. Mosley is a Hall-Of-Famer and for very good reason. And when comparing the two, it is very easy to see that Mosley is the better boxer with more skills. Martinez just hasn't been exposed by a good boxer that's on the level of Mosley, Marquez, etc.
But despite that, Sergio Martinez is too goddamn big to be fighting Mayweather or Pacquiao. This guy walks around naturally over 180 lbs. If he were to fight either Mayweather or Pacquiao, he would have such a weight advantage it wouldn't even be funny. People talk about fighting at 154, but guys like Mayweather and Pacquiao will never enter the ring at that weight. They will only come close to it.
Meanwhile, a guy like Martinez will rehydrate and come into the ring well over 20 lbs heavier. He will rehydrate to as much as he possible can. Maybe 175 lbs, maybe 180 lbs, maybe even higher! So Mayweather and Pacquiao is supposed to give this guy, who is by no means De La Hoya, and has little fan base, this great weight advantage over them? For what?
Martinez should be going UP in weight classes. Not down.
It adds nothing to Floyd's legacy.
Only casual fans think Sergio is any good.
Floyd's ex would put up a better fight. How would beating up a bum like Sergio for 12 rounds add to Floyd's legacy?
Excuses already so floyd dont have to fight still, will things ever change? Just say someone is a bum so you dont have to fight them? Well boxers who are far greater than Floyd, have bums far worse than Sergio on their resumes, so Floyd should try and get Sergio on his if he can.
Then let's hear it for the casual fans. For my money, I'll take casual fandom over hero worship seven days a week.
Mayweather won't fight Martinez because he knows he might lose. Pity, since that would be a fight worth watching. Especially at 154 or, preferably, 160.
Instead Mayweather's entire yearly output will be a 30 min shutout/snoozefest against Cotto. Now there's a legacy builder.
More like it.
See how he's always in a positioning stance to get hit by the straight left hand, he has always had the leverage to get off first at times to prevent them from throwing/landing it, those guys never had the the footwork to created better angles for themselves. Martinez would not only match Floyd's limited movement, but he would offset Floyd's timing and accuracy.
martinez is too strong. mayweather may be able to neutralise him for large stretches of the fight, but it'd only take one cleanly landed punch and the fight would be turned upside down. and martinez is easily quick and crafty enough to land a few punches on anyone, even pbf.
Then let's hear it for the casual fans. For my money, I'll take casual fandom over hero worship seven days a week.
Mayweather won't fight Martinez because he knows he might lose. Pity, since that would be a fight worth watching. Especially at 154 or, preferably, 160.
Instead Mayweather's entire yearly output will be a 30 min shutout/snoozefest against Cotto. Now there's a legacy builder.
I agree Macklin is a good fighter. World level, atleast.
It's a legit fight IMO, but nothing to shout about.
I was laughing at the fact he was getting frustrated by Macklin's Boxing.
I didn't see him get frustrated. sergio fought like he always does. he runs around the ring and fights in spurts just like jean pascal. that style is effective for both of them. if sergio catches floyd with some of those lefts mayweathers gonna get knocked out.
Floyd needs to fight Sergio, before Sergio looks worse and worse. Sergio is a respected pro and floyd would get big credit for beating someone who is highly rated but maybe not as good as people claim he is.
Floyd should be able to tell himself how well he thinks he could do against sergio now, hes seen enough of him.
Floyd would make easy work out of Sergio.
The problem is Sergio has no fans. Floyd is not a charity. Floyd would basically be providing 100% of the fanbase, buzz, and revenue.
Floyd does not box to put Sergio's non-biological children through college.
:rofl::rofl:
Because he's 37 years old, mainly.
Secondly because they'll just say he looked average against Macklin and Barker and was never any good.
That's what people will say.
The problem is that the fight will not happen today and may only happen next year ...... so Martinez will probably be closing in on 38 or more than likely be 38 years old.
How good will Martinez be next year? Who knows really ....
If Floyd/Sergio ever got made, which i highly doubt (on Mays end).
Floyd outpoints Sergio, but will be earning his money that night. I only say this if Floyd is 100% on his game.
In the Ortiz fight Floyd was different defensively, not as sharp IMHO. If he fought Sergio like how he fought Victor- Floyd would get caught and have a matching pic with PWill.
Keep believing that. If most of you have watched all the fights that Floyd had against his southpaw opponents, then you should know that he doesn't know how to consistently neutralize the straight left hand. Hopkins and JMM knows how to rotate away from it and are better at limiting it, but Floyd is always in a position to get caught by it simply because he doesn't rotate to change the angle, he'd rather pressing forward to get his punches off first while standing flat-footed.
What would happen when he fight a fighter that can match him speed for speed, that has good footwork movement to prevent him from getting the angle openings he usual has to gets off first? He's arguably the current best technician in boxing, but he only know one way to neutralize the straight left hand and he's hardly consistent at it to say the least. I'm 100% confident he'd beat Manny, but Martinez on the other hand is different story when you add the size factor which would definitely be an X factor far different than the likes of, Oscar, Baldomir, Ortiz, ect.
If Floyd/Sergio ever got made, which i highly doubt (on Mays end).
Floyd outpoints Sergio, but will be earning his money that night. I only say this if Floyd is 100% on his game.
In the Ortiz fight Floyd was different defensively, not as sharp IMHO. If he fought Sergio like how he fought Victor- Floyd would get caught and have a matching pic with PWill.
yeah, ortiz caught him that one time in round 4 right. i think if martinez landed that shot, mayweather would've definitely clinched. only way, as i said before, for martinez to win is if he catches him and knocks him out. it's tough to imagine since mayweather is as about untouchable as a fighter can get now a days. i know his fanboys will laugh at the idea, but it could happen. that said, another thing is him declining due to age. but knowing that he trains very often, i doubt his reflexes and skills fade overnight. it'd have to be a year or two from now to see a serious change in him. maybe even longer, who knows.
If Floyd/Sergio ever got made, which i highly doubt (on Mays end).
Floyd outpoints Sergio, but will be earning his money that night. I only say this if Floyd is 100% on his game.
In the Ortiz fight Floyd was different defensively, not as sharp IMHO. If he fought Sergio like how he fought Victor- Floyd would get caught and have a matching pic with PWill.
martinez would have to wait a while for this one. if mayweather decides to fight in late 2012, it'd be alvarez over martinez for sure. that'd mean he could get a crack at mayweather anywhere from early-mid 2013. by that time, i think arum/pacquiao would finally want to make it happen. if not good though, that means it'd happen then.
lots of possibilities once mayweather is out. alvarez would probably fight before mayweather gets out or before he schedules his next fight (after prison). hopefully it's kirkland/molina winner, that'd be a great win for him to have before facing mayweather. not sure if this all happens though.
anyways, only way i see martinez winning is by knockout. fat chance though since mayweather is the best defensively sound fighter around. that, or he'd have to depend on being more active than mayweather, but then again, i doubt he's more precise. either way, it'd be great fight for both men and their careers (imo), hopefully it happens. as a martinez fan, i think he deserves that payday, and hopefully wins.
I think Macklin gets ridiculed here too much as a Sergio opponent. It's funny he got robbed against Felix Sturm. But if he got the nod against Strum, people woulda been like "Oh, he's good. He beat Felix Strum".
That's why I say people just forget about robberies. Over time, people just start seeing robberies as actual wins and they no longer care about what actually happened.
The truth is, this should have been Martinez coming off of an okay win over Barker vs a Macklin coming off a very good hard-fought win over Felix Strum. But thanks to the corruption in Germany/boxing, it's just Martinez vs a Macklin "who hasn't beaten anybody".
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I agree Macklin is a good fighter. World level, atleast.
It's a legit fight IMO, but nothing to shout about.
I was laughing at the fact he was getting frustrated by Macklin's Boxing.
He most certainly would.
If a fighter boxs with him he gets visibly frustrated.
He was against both Barker and Macklin (:lol1: @Macklin)
He didn't retreat and never lost his composure though. As i said, Floyd doesn't take the JMM/Hopkins approach against southpaws, he take the fight to them. An average size WW trying to walking down a legit 160lbs southpaw, it wouldn't be a smart strategy at all.
I have yet to see Floyd box against southpaws. His whole strategy against them is to aggressively backing them up, and constantly beat them to the punches first. After he got caught against Corley, his uncle advised him to boxed Corley, he only did for one round, and then he went back to his aggressive attack strategy. With Sergio, he can't be doing that. Sergio has good/great footwork for a 37 years old, underrated counter punching ability, good stamina, mental toughness, killer instincts, and the size to put Floyd at a disadvantage he has never been before.
Floyd was brawling on purpose cause people were calling him boring he switched up tp boxing in that fight and whooped corley
Thing is he doesnt need to be agressive or anything like
If Barker and Macklin can box and outbox Sergio at times, Floyd would have no problem
I have yet to see Floyd box against southpaws. His whole strategy against them is to aggressively backing them up, and constantly beat them to the punches first. After he got caught against Corley, his uncle advised him to boxed Corley, he only did for one round, and then he went back to his aggressive attack strategy. With Sergio, he can't be doing that. Sergio has good/great footwork for a 37 years old, underrated counter punching ability, good stamina, mental toughness, killer instincts, and the size to put Floyd at a disadvantage he has never been before.
He most certainly would.
If a fighter boxs with him he gets visibly frustrated.
He was against both Barker and Macklin (:lol1: @Macklin)
I think Macklin gets ridiculed here too much as a Sergio opponent. It's funny he got robbed against Felix Sturm. But if he got the nod against Strum, people woulda been like "Oh, he's good. He beat Felix Strum".
That's why I say people just forget about robberies. Over time, people just start seeing robberies as actual wins and they no longer care about what actually happened.
The truth is, this should have been Martinez coming off of an okay win over Barker vs a Macklin coming off a very good hard-fought win over Felix Strum. But thanks to the corruption in Germany/boxing, it's just Martinez vs a Macklin "who hasn't beaten anybody".
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