Jmm versus Hamed at 126.who wins and why

JMM is a first Ballot Hall of Famer... One of the Top Fighters of all time.... Frankly this question is almost insulting to JMM. There is a reason Hamed avoided JMM like the Plague. Then chose the smaller man between Morales vs Barrera to fight when he had no choice. We all saw what happened he didn't belong in the same sentence much less in the same ring as them.

jmm would outclass him just bad styles. jmm would do work on hamed.

I think it's funny how the legend of Naz has grown, it's almost as bad as Tyson's legend. Naz can now beat anyone under 150lbs....lol JMM gives Naz an even worse boxing lesson than Barrera did, it's not even close. He was more careful than Barrera and much more skilled counter puncher which is perfect for the style Naz brings. Of course Naz has a punchers chance but skill wise, it's not very close. JMM by clear UD. It's the opposite. Naz would be a 3 or 4:1 favorite had this fight actually been scheduled.

Hamed would have no chance. Marquez too clever. Hamed would get eaten far worse than what Barrera did to him.

Nothing but truth in this post. Since when has Manny Steward ever been involved in the Princes negotiations? The short answer is never....and even tho he was his trainer for a few fights, Steward himself stated Naz rarely listened to the advice he gave him (which led to Steward wanting to walk out on him). It's pretty d@mn obvious that 99% of this board are new fans who just pull up boxrec and youtube for their source of past events, when posters, such as yourself, actually followed the sport then. Steward wasn't even supposed to be the head trainer, it was Oscar Suarez. Steward wouldn't allow his ego to let that happen so he often took over and undermined Suarez. Not that Suarez was any good either. Naz was never the same after he left Brendan Ingle

I can't stand him. Never liked him. I know, I know. He was offered a career high pay day and walked away. A similar thing happened with Morales and like you said, the rematch with Pacqauio. HBO put up (IIRC 1.5 or 2.5 million) for the fight and Marquez wanted the entire purse. That's what killed that fight.

Well, I disagree. I don't think Naz was anywhere on the level of Barrea, Morales or JMM. Sorry but they don't round Robin each other and I think Naz ends up getting the worst of those fights. Look, let's be real here. Naz was an incredible puncher for the weight and was fast, quick and unorthodox but there's no way he could deal with Barrera (we already saw that) the pressure, length and surprising boxing of Morales and the counter punching of JMM. As far as Pac, he wants nothing to do with that monster. Sorry but your letting your fandom get in the way of reality. He had a punchers chance of course but his skills were just not on the level of any of those guys you mentioned. I'm not sure if you know this but Morales is my 2nd favorite fighter of all-time (behind Tyson). I'm also a fan of Pacquiao and Naz as well so I really don't have a horse in that race. Naz KO's Manny (I'm basing this off of Manny's weaknesses at that time and his questionable chin) however I can see Manny putting a ton of pressure and winning the second fight. Morales UD's Hamed....although if they fought 3 times, Naz could very well KO Moreales due to the fact Erik liked to brawl and get into exchanges. It's not unreasonable to think that, in 3 fights, given Naz power, he catches Morales with something big. Barrera UDs Hamed.....proof is in the pudding with that one. Morales UD's Pacquaio.......although Manny could out hustle him in the fact (unlikely). Pacquiao destroys Barrera each and every time, due to styles Hamed vs JMM is a toss up, given JMM's weakness and given Hamed's. JMM struggled with awkward fighters at that time, although since moving up he seems to have that figured out. Morales beats JMM......El Terribles style is all wrong for him. JMM beats Barrera IMO, and would have beaten Pacquiao in the rematch at 126 (I know for a fact this would have happened) but JMM made the mistake of turning the fight down, due to money offered, and facing Chris John. Now this is how I feel on all of those fights, however,given their abilities, I could see different outcomes as all were pretty close in talent and ability.

The guy is a whore. He will stab his own fighters in the back to hype someone else. I remember when he publicly called out Lennox to rematch Vitali a couple of years ago. Steward wasn't even supposed to be Naz's trainer. Yet he tried to make it all about him. As for Marquez, he turned down the fight with Naz just like he turned down an immediate rematch with Pacquiao to fight Chris John for peanuts in the Indonesian wilderness. He was poorly advised throughout his career. I can't stand him. Never liked him. I know, I know. He was offered a career high pay day and walked away. A similar thing happened with Morales and like you said, the rematch with Pacqauio.

Marquez Fan boy? Thats funny coming from one of the biggest Pacquiao dick riders in all of NSB and I didn't just start following him. I started back in 2011 you have a bias against Marquez so anything you say ....regarding him means nothing. if I recall correctly you've been discrediting him for some while now. Even had Pacquiao winning all 3 fights..... /thread sounds about right. Thx for ducking my last question. You claim I'm biased against Marquez.....well when I speak on those negotiations, I bring fact (backed up by articles and quotes from their managers and promoters). If Morales was ducking Marquez, then why did he enter negotiations with him on numerous occasions. Do you know what killed those fights each and everytime and who was demanding what? I doubt you do, and your just content with parroting Marquez claim that no one wanted to fight him.

I don't think Naz can beat everyone. I feel that MAB, Morales, JMM, Naz, and Pacquiao would have a round robin were they fought each other 2-3 times each, and none would come out undefeated, and have losses to the other fighters. All three are close in terms of talent and ability and present problems for each other. Well, I disagree. I don't think Naz was anywhere on the level of Barrea, Morales or JMM. Sorry but they don't round Robin each other and I think Naz ends up getting the worst of those fights. Look, let's be real here. Naz was an incredible puncher for the weight and was fast, quick and unorthodox but there's no way he could deal with Barrera (we already saw that) the pressure, length and surprising boxing of Morales and the counter punching of JMM. As far as Pac, he wants nothing to do with that monster. Sorry but your letting your fandom get in the way of reality. He had a punchers chance of course but his skills were just not on the level of any of those guys you mentioned.

Of course you want because your a Marquez fan boy. I mean it's obvious you just started to follow the guy (no offense, but it's clear as day). Marquez Fan boy? Thats funny coming from one of the biggest Pacquiao dick riders in all of NSB and I didn't just start following him. I started back in 2011 However, I never of JMM, MAB, Morales and Hamed since the late 90's and followed those weight classes closes. Morales and Hamed never ducked JMM. Your basing your opinion off of youtube....and I'm basing mines of the fact that I followed those negotiations, when they happened, and I'm telling you what their promoters and managers were saying at that time. you have a bias against Marquez so anything you say ....regarding him means nothing. if I recall correctly you've been discrediting him for some while now. Even had Pacquiao winning all 3 fights..... /thread

Cool story bro oh and Morales admitted to ducking Marquez because he had no name. In one of his latest interviews. He would've gotten more money for a Mayweather fight. No one is saying he ducked Marquez because he was afraid. It was a high risk low reward scenerio Do you know how many times they (Marquez and Morales) enter negotations and who always ending up turning down the fight and with what demands? Please answer these questions......I'll be waiting.

I think it's funny how the legend of Naz has grown, it's almost as bad as Tyson's legend. Naz can now beat anyone under 150lbs....lol JMM gives Naz an even worse boxing lesson than Barrera did, it's not even close. He was more careful than Barrera and much more skilled counter puncher which is perfect for the style Naz brings. Of course Naz has a punchers chance but skill wise, it's not very close. JMM by clear UD. I don't think Naz can beat everyone. I feel that MAB, Morales, JMM, Naz, and Pacquiao would have a round robin were they fought each other 2-3 times each, and none would come out undefeated, and have losses to the other fighters. All three are close in terms of talent and ability and present problems for each other.

Everyone ducked Marquez....and I won't consider any other possibility or alternative history. /thread Of course you want because your a Marquez fan boy. I mean it's obvious you just started to follow the guy (no offense, but it's clear as day). However, I never of JMM, MAB, Morales and Hamed since the late 90's and followed those weight classes closes. Morales and Hamed never ducked JMM. Your basing your opinion off of youtube....and I'm basing mines of the fact that I followed those negotiations, when they happened, and I'm telling you what their promoters and managers were saying at that time.

The guy is a whore. He will stab his own fighters in the back to hype someone else. I remember when he publicly called out Lennox to rematch Vitali a couple of years ago. Steward wasn't even supposed to be Naz's trainer. Yet he tried to make it all about him. As for Marquez, he turned down the fight with Naz just like he turned down an immediate rematch with Pacquiao to fight Chris John for peanuts in the Indonesian wilderness. He was poorly advised throughout his career. Nothing but truth in this post. Since when has Manny Steward ever been involved in the Princes negotiations? The short answer is never....and even tho he was his trainer for a few fights, Steward himself stated Naz rarely listened to the advice he gave him (which led to Steward wanting to walk out on him). It's pretty d@mn obvious that 99% of this board are new fans who just pull up boxrec and youtube for their source of past events, when posters, such as yourself, actually followed the sport then.

I think it's funny how the legend of Naz has grown, it's almost as bad as Tyson's legend. Naz can now beat anyone under 150lbs....lol JMM gives Naz an even worse boxing lesson than Barrera did, it's not even close. He was more careful than Barrera and much more skilled counter puncher which is perfect for the style Naz brings. Of course Naz has a punchers chance but skill wise, it's not very close. JMM by clear UD. good post....... points sent

If this fight happened in both of their primes.who wins JMM because he's the better boxer and smarter fighter.

Everyone ducked Marquez....and I won't consider any other possibility or alternative history. /thread

I think it's funny how the legend of Naz has grown, it's almost as bad as Tyson's legend. Naz can now beat anyone under 150lbs....lol JMM gives Naz an even worse boxing lesson than Barrera did, it's not even close. He was more careful than Barrera and much more skilled counter puncher which is perfect for the style Naz brings. Of course Naz has a punchers chance but skill wise, it's not very close. JMM by clear UD.

People saying Marquez was some notoriously ducked guy is humorous to me. What I don't get is what the f*ck is Manny Steward talking about? The guy is a whore. He will stab his own fighters in the back to hype someone else. I remember when he publicly called out Lennox to rematch Vitali a couple of years ago. Steward wasn't even supposed to be Naz's trainer. Yet he tried to make it all about him. As for Marquez, he turned down the fight with Naz just like he turned down an immediate rematch with Pacquiao to fight Chris John for peanuts in the Indonesian wilderness. He was poorly advised throughout his career.