By Hilario the Nonpareil on BTalk
Some Snippets that stood out....
...Suppose Mayweather is the real deal? He’s wasted many years not proving it. Therefore his gifts are equivalent to the opponent of that day. Like the version of Shane Mosley he fought and choosing the likes of Victor Ortiz. People that say he’s an exceptional talent are those that purchase cheap suits and mask it with expensive cologne. The verdict is still out on Floyd. For now he’s a carefully maneuvered Bruce Seldon, with a very good jab, good balance and a million dollar smile. The reason Mayweather has never carried boxing like Hagler, Leonard or Oscar De La Hoya is because he’s never accepted top challenges. ...
His shoulder roll defense shouldn’t be compared to James Toney’s because he hasn't tested it against the likes of Vassily Jirov/ Kostya Tszyu or a chiseled Hasim Rahman / Margarito 2006 or a puncher in Sam Peter/Mosley 99’ or 09’.
It’s a shame that Boxrec.com and many other pundits have Mayweather as their second best pound for pound boxer. A boxer who’s missed eleven peers since 1999, a carpet ride that has performed 3 times in four years.
So let’s be specific, how can David Blaine Mayweather be number two on the pound-for-pound list today when he continues to avoid viable challenges? He competes versus a smaller man, cheats in the process while amassing two and a half bouts in four years. The answer is simple – today’s writers are repeating fallacies. We might as well ask middle school 13 year olds to rank boxing divisions with crayons. :lol1: The article linked above clearly demonstrates without bias Floyd Joy Mayweather Junior -- was never pound for pound! (http://www.boxing talk.com/pag/article.php?aid=22736) I am man enough to admit it, secure enough to write about it and intelligent enough to promote it because it’s true.
http://boxing talk.com/pag/article.php?aid=23022
Judah had already lost to Baldomier.
And I was a Judah fan but i could never understand how Judah always looked like crap against ordinary guys.
The Mayweather vs. Judah fight ment nothing.
If Mayweather fought more often he'd lose. But i am surprised that he hasn't lost as inactive as he is but this is the era of inactive boxers. Credit to him he stays in shape if not he'd never be able to make welteweight. As it is now i bet you he struggle to make welterweight.
thats not my point at all. judah lost to baldomir but he wasnt dominated by any means by baldomir. judah was still a very live opponent for any fighter at 147. he wasnt a walk in the park, **** he wasnt even a walk in the park for cotto about a year later. th say that fight was a gimmie is completely false. it wasnt.
if mayweather fought more hed lose? maybe, maybe not. that actually goes against conventional wisdom but ur free to guess and hyopthesize with your crystal ball.
BTW the best gets to choose who they want.
Aaron Pryor wanted to fight Ray he spoke on it....Ray declined
Ray is in the hall of fame......
Floyd is going to the hall of fame undefeated
based on the competition available.
Dont include Pacquiao because there is obviously too much **** in making that fight.
Pacquiaos record wont be tarnished and neither will Mayweathers.
The only thing unfair about this is Manny has 3 losses on record and 2 not.
It was actually Aaron Pryor who didn't want to fight Ray when it got down to making the fight.
Leonard offered Pryor a fight. Pryor wanted more money so he turned it down, and talked about it after he beat Blackmoore.
BTW the best gets to choose who they want.
Aaron Pryor wanted to fight Ray he spoke on it....Ray declined
Ray is in the hall of fame......
Floyd is going to the hall of fame undefeated
based on the competition available.
Dont include Pacquiao because there is obviously too much **** in making that fight.
Pacquiaos record wont be tarnished and neither will Mayweathers.
The only thing unfair about this is Manny has 3 losses on record and 2 not.
while i agree that gatti wasnt a risky fight at all, judah had enough risk associated with it to be given credit. judah had never really been dominated (well except by the pretty good tzyu), and floyd was the first to completely dominate him. i mean he made tha fight look easy.
Judah had already lost to Baldomier.
And I was a Judah fan but i could never understand how Judah always looked like crap against ordinary guys.
The Mayweather vs. Judah fight ment nothing.
If Mayweather fought more often he'd lose. But i am surprised that he hasn't lost as inactive as he is but this is the era of inactive boxers. Credit to him he stays in shape if not he'd never be able to make welteweight. As it is now i bet you he struggle to make welterweight.
Amazing how losers/nobodies can discount your record cause you dont cater
to their needs/wishes....people are vane as hell.
I love the fact that Floyd doesnt give a flying fck about any of you.:werd:
word, but he loves you right?
BTW the best gets to choose who they want.
Aaron Pryor wanted to fight Ray he spoke on it....Ray declined
Ray is in the hall of fame......
Floyd is going to the hall of fame undefeated
based on the competition available.
Dont include Pacquiao because there is obviously too much **** in making that fight.
Pacquiaos record wont be tarnished and neither will Mayweathers.
The only thing unfair about this is Manny has 3 losses on record and 2 not.
Amazing how losers/nobodies can discount your record cause you dont cater
to their needs/wishes....people are vane as hell.
I love the fact that Floyd doesnt give a flying fck about any of you.:werd:
yea...i think dela hoya and castillo were his riskiest fights
but adding guys like gatti/judah just shows you are trying to hard
and wtf @ tate, brannon, grant etc for roy
while i agree that gatti wasnt a risky fight at all, judah had enough risk associated with it to be given credit. judah had never really been dominated (well except by the pretty good tzyu), and floyd was the first to completely dominate him. i mean he made tha fight look easy.
If I had as many haters as Floyd, I'd start a haters club just for me. They wouldn't even know I owned the club.
If I had as many non paying fanboys as Manny , Id start ripping of the Tax department .
I swear the people that say "Floyd hasn't taken risks, hasn't fought anyone good, hasn't done this or that, hasn't proved anything", have only been seriously watching boxing since like 2008-2009 at the earliest.
And I can't believe the guy above me, what a joke. So.....Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Carlos Gerena, Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, Arturo Gatti, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz, and MIguel Cotto were all cherry picks????
Hernandez had only lost once at 135 to Oscar 3-4 years earlier, was the king at 130. Manfredy had just beaten Gatti. Gerena was one of the top ranked SFW. Corrales was #5 P4P and unbeaten. C. Hernandez and Chavez were both top ranked SFW and would go on to be world title holders. Castillo was the king at 135, had just beaten Stevie Johnston. Gatti had just beaten Branco, Dorin, and Leija, was one of the top ranked JWW. Judah had been upset by Baldomir, but still was one of the top ranked WW. Baldomir was the RING WW Champ, had just beaten Judah. De La Hoya was at 154 lbs and had KO'd Mayorga. Hatton was #8 P4P, unbeaten, and had previously won a title at WW. Mosley had just beaten Mayorga and Margarito, was ranked #9 P4P. And Ortiz had just beaten Berto and should have beat Peterson, was the next best WW aside from Floyd and Manny.
And as far as Roy Jones......so I guess Glenn Thomas, Bernard Hopkins, Thomas Tate, James Toney, Bryant Brannon, Montell Griffin, Virgil Hill, Lou Del Valle, Otis Grant, Richard Hall, Eric Harding, Julio Cesar Gonzalez, Glen Kelly, Clinton Woods, John Ruiz, and Antonio Tarver were all cherry picks???? My god....
yea...i think dela hoya and castillo were his riskiest fights
but adding guys like gatti/judah just shows you are trying to hard
and wtf @ tate, brannon, grant etc for roy
i dunno why u guys debate with these idiots who clearly dont know what they are talking about and regurgitate stuff they read in crappy articles and from crappy fans on this site. they are almost like children, unable to formulate their own ideas. i grew tired of it a long time ago.
ill say this tho, if floyd is an underachivever as many, including myself, think he is and his resume is still great enough to be considered among the the top 50 or so fighters of all time and his resume even rivals that of the greatest fighters of the day, what does that say about him?
I see the children are talking their sh1et again , not much boxing brains on this site just a bunch of kid haters blowing of and 90% are Mannys fanboys .
Kind of a poor analogy unless Floyd isn't the guy actually fighting in the ring, even if you think he isn't that good he is still the guy in the ring doing the work, Milli Vanilli weren't singing their "own" songs.
There are musical examples that were not that talented but people behind the scenes did work to make them seem much more talented than they were, any of those would have been a much better analogy
This is soo inaccurate. Freitas and Casamayor were Showtime fighters. Kosta Tszyu had 3 titles and could not keep 2 of them BC of injuries, And if he wasn't inured he would have had to fight his Mando's. Kosta was also a Showtime fighter. @ 140 he tried to fight Hatton right after the Kosta fight. As a matter of fact Hatton was ringside at PBF - Gatti and fought the undercard winner in his next fight. A Cotto fight was also declined at this time by Top Rank.
"It's like (Bernard) Hopkins, he still knows how to fight but who wants to pay to see him now? His fights are not very scintillating. What you see with Hopkins we're beginning to see with Mosley."
Arum said he wouldn't be interested in playing the flakcatcher if he made a Shane-Manny bout at this point.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/mma/boxing/09/20/pacquiao.mosley/index.html#ixzz1ovkB4l1j
:lol1: Arum is the type to go to jail and wear his boxer drawers backwards and then tell dudes he was running ish in the pen lmao....B.Hop beat the youth outta his young lion Pavlik and this is the RESPECT that old dude shows him?!? lol...WOW
anyway, Manny NEVER fought and beat the top WW or a top 10 JMW....but he got 2 straps for his work....dudes say belts mean nothing but use the 8 titles thing to promote him and to make a case for his ATG status.....I don't get it!!