Who ranks higher Joe Calzaghe or Wladamir on the atg list?

fuck Calzaghe Wlad is far greater than him it took Joe years to step his game up Wlad's been running his division handily for years

calzaghe wanted the crown jewels to fight roy too. mods, is there any way to automatically just have these posts in ANY calzaghe thread in NSB? 'calzaghe was scared of flying' by daggum 'calzaghe wanted the crown jewels' by any fat bitter yank who's a roy or hopkins fan even though you are being sarcastic that is a great idea. oh yeah and don't forget calzaghe ducked glen johnson 3 times. gotta add that one.

Calzaghe because he didn't have the massive size advantage going for him that Wlad does and he retired with an undefeated record....Wlad won't...../thread

Wlad is one ko loss away from being the most irrelevant Heavyweight that ever lived. That would be KO loss #4 in a career with 0 landmark victories.

this gif alone tells you the entire story behind joe's illustrious career... http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff212/slburrow/Manfredo.gif Another Yankee tamed

of course Wladimir ranks higher and is a legit ATG. Calslapy is at least 2 tiers below Wlad

this gif alone tells you the entire story behind joe's illustrious career... http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff212/slburrow/Manfredo.gif

In order to be considered an ATG your triumphs need to offset your biggest failures. Wlad has not beaten anyone worth a damn to offset his Three Ko losses. The Sanders, Puritty and Brewster losses are unfortunately the biggest fights of hs career. Joe is perfect, nothing to offset.

calzaghe was scared of flying and wlad was scared of getting hit and flying face first into the canvas. toss up?

Lol, I'm not avoiding anything. What you seem to be avoiding is the fact that Roy never tested positive for anything that wasn't over the counter purchased at the time and that's an honest mistake anybody could make. Now, knowing this info, you should have no problem moving on and having no problem understanding that Roy never tested positive in any other fights before or after. What this means is that he didn't really have any advantage over any other fighter before or after that fight in which the other fighter was cheating for aparently himself. Not even in the Ruiz fight where it appeared that Roy had gained the most muscle mass of his career. Is this accurate then? P.S. Stop trying to find a way to diminish Roy's accomplishments in here. This thread is about Joe vs. Wlad. Stay on topic yourself if you want to point fingers. He said he took an over the counter product, that doesn't mean he did. And the fact that it was illegal and considered a performance enhancer is the only thing that should matter.

Destroying Byrd, Botha, Mercer and McCline. All good respectable fighters at the time. Tyson was fighting bums and his camp knew the Klitschko's would destroy him. Both Klitschko's had titles at the time and Tyson never, ever mentioned them. Why? They both badly wanted Lennox and Tyson and it's well documented. Keep trying hater. Do you have links to this claim? Because it sounds like guesswork.

It's used to cut weight, not make one stronger so they can hurt an opponent more or move faster. Thanks for posting that piece. It further solidifies my argument. You have no argument. It was illegal according to the IBF, that's all that matters. And if something gives you energy than it obviously can enhance you performance.

Is that any different than getting ko'd by Rahman, Danny Williams or fricken Kevin McBride? The point is that Wladimir was not ready for Lennox Lewis. He never would be.

Roy tested positive for a weight loss ingredient that was banned but was in an over the counter product at the time. That's all that needs be mentioned. Period. End of story. His dominance had nothing to do with steroids you morons. Did you not read the link posted above by JAT in post #95 or did you choose to ignore it? Let me repost it so you can digest it fully: Through his attorney, Jones admitted he had been taking an over-the-counter product called Ripped Fuel. That’s not illegal but it is an anabolic steroid according to the IBF and other other sanctioning bodies. So he did test positive. He did take Ripped Fuel. Whether that’s what he took or not we don’t know, but he did test positive and admitted to taking a steroid. The IBF chose to do nothing. They wanted a second test to be done. But why take a second test when he failed the first one and admitted to taking a steroid? That’s where it ended. No action was taken. Nobody did anything. Roy Jones used PEDs, he claimed it was ripped fuel but that claim was not verified. He was caught cheating bang to rights just like Marion Jones, Barry Bonds or any other cheat who made excuses except with boxing it was swept under the carpet. Now you can continue insulting people in the thread all you want but these are facts and there's no getting away from them.

Lol @ Wlad avoiding Lennox and Tyson. Try the other way around. If Lennox had interest in cleaning out the division on the way out he had to face Wlad. The more you post on here the more ignorant you sound. Maybe you should stick to basketball. Wlad was too busy getting KTFO by Sanders and Brewster at the time

Lol @ Wlad avoiding Lennox and Tyson. Try the other way around. If Lennox had interest in cleaning out the division on the way out he had to face Wlad. The more you post on here the more ignorant you sound. Maybe you should stick to basketball. Yeah Lewis and Tyson ducked Wlad:nonono: Holyfield, Tyson and Lewis all fighting each other while Wlad was fighting who? Seriously who?

Calzaghe Beat better fighters,more accomplished even with fucked hands for a large part of his career,never got KO'd by average fighters etc etc etc

http://www.steroid.com/Buy-Ephedrine.php Steroid website selling som Ephedrine, you know the stuff that Jones was using. Ephedrine is a sympathomimetic amine with high stimulating effects and as such is a powerful fat-burner, which is the reason most buy Ephedrine. Some people buy Ephedrine as a decongestant as this substance is apt to serve that purpose but by in-large most buy Ephedrine for its ability to suppress appetite and fat burning effects. When ingested the medication will increase the temperature of the body thereby increasing the metabolic activity within the body; but there is also a stimulating effect regarding energy that is at play as well. Many people buy Ephedrine simply for this stimulating effect as it allows them to train or perform at a higher level than without; which depending on your goal can aid in fat-loss as well.

Roy tested positive for a weight loss ingredient that was banned but was in an over the counter product at the time. That's all that needs be mentioned. Period. End of story. His dominance had nothing to do with steroids you morons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra This is the banned substance in Ripped Fuel that Jones tested positive for and admitted taking. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/advice/factfile_az/ephedrine# Ephedrine is a stimulant that speeds up the heart and nervous system. It comes from a shrubby plant known as Ephedra sinensis. The shrub is well known to Chinese herbalists who call it 'Ma Huang'. Pills and potions containing Ephedra or Ma Huang are sold as herbal E, as dietary aids and as remedies to increase energy and enhance fitness training. Synthetic ephedrine is used in several cold medicines that you can buy at any chemist. Crystal meth can be made from ephedrine You still think it was not performance enhancing, not to mention all the caffeine in Ripped Fuel.

Jones tested positive for a substance that was banned but happened to be in an over the counter product called Ripped Fuel at the time. He used it to help lose weight in training. It wasn't a PED or steroid. He never tested positive before or after so how does this make Roy a cheat in any way? Also, is it a coincidence that Roy and Hall both tested positive the one and only time when those tests were done? Think about it. No, Jones tested positive for a steroid, a steroid that is an ingredient in Ripped Fuel, and is a PED.