Floyd Mayweather jr = Floyd Mayweather snr with better Management?

Didn't Mayweather Sr. get shot? I seem to recall that really effecting his fighting ability. It still boils down to style being much beyond just certain tricks guys pull and looking like another guy, the reasons behind doing things and what a guy is trying to do with them is far more telling than mimicing tricks. It is the difference between a parrot and a human.

What constitutes real WW? I highly doubt Floyd could make 140 anymore(Healthily). This Floyd is a legit WW. He walks around in the low 150s. I'd agree if you said 2007 Floyd who fought Ricky Hatton. meaning lowest weight you fought at in your prime. your natural weight bro. leonard was a natural welterweight as was hearns. duran was a natural lightweight. Dawsons a natural 175 and ward 168. just some examples.

This so called great Floyd, hasnt even fought someone as good as his dad fought yet in SRL! Hasnt even taken a risk like his father yet. Floyd senior should be praised more. Thats how overated Floyd is.

Where do these Floyd opponent historians get this BS? People try to compare this era with that era & none of it make sense. It’s like putting dinosaurs up against a pit bull. Floyd has fought guys that was suppose to knock him out, guys that were supposed to be faster, each time his training & approach to his craft has made these fights look easy. It’s easy to say you can do this & that until you are in the ring that’s where most fighters end up understanding that boxing a boxer is not like a bar room brawl. Are you employed by mayweather?

What constitutes real WW? I highly doubt Floyd could make 140 anymore(Healthily). This Floyd is a legit WW. He walks around in the low 150s. I'd agree if you said 2007 Floyd who fought Ricky Hatton. Floyd couldn't even make 144lbs a few years back.

Mayweather jr couldn't beat Leonard in my opinion but sugar ray was a real 147 pounder and mayweather is not. What constitutes real WW? I highly doubt Floyd could make 140 anymore(Healthily). This Floyd is a legit WW. He walks around in the low 150s. I'd agree if you said 2007 Floyd who fought Ricky Hatton.

Mayweather jr couldn't beat Leonard in my opinion but sugar ray was a real 147 pounder and mayweather is not.

This thread was sick and terrible joke.

was this some kinda thread made to discredit floyd jr???smh, pathetic. while we are at it, why not compare chavez jr to chavez sr?? Chavez jr, fights like his dad but lacks the aggression, natural force, speed, tenacity, heavy handiness. Just look how Floyd snr fights the similarities are undeniable.

was this some kinda thread made to discredit floyd jr???smh, pathetic. while we are at it, why not compare chavez jr to chavez sr??

I agree Jnr is the better defensive mind, and the better athlete.

Wow, this thread fails on so many levels.

Are both Mayweathers are similarly gifted but one's career was managed better by picking the right fights at the right time? Mayweather snr fought in a era where there were 3 other elite fighters around his weight. Duran, Leonard and Hearns. Mayweather only fought SRL early in his career. Mayweather fought well, showing his great defense and speed, but Leonard stops him in 10. Leonard has said that Mayweather snr was the greatest defensive fighter he has fought, high praise since he also fought Benitez. Floyd snr was also beating by another top welter of the 80s, one trained by Roach, Marlon Starling. Floyd snr took this fight early in his career, if he had the managemnt that Floyd jnr had it is likely this fight does not happen. Floyd jnr does have a better work ethic but there skill set and physical attributes are on a similar level. But where has Floyd snr took on the elite fighters of his era Floyd jnr has done everything he can do to avoid the elite fighter on his. If Floyd jnr and snr swapped places, I could see that Floyd jr getting beat by the likes of Leonard and Starling and his career never really taking off. And Floyd snr's career flourishing with the right management, choosing the right fights at the right time as Floyd has done he would have remained unbeaten and be a big star like his son. The way to beat Floyd snr, was to go to the body and take the fight to him pressure him, just as Floyd jnr is susceptible to. Leonard was also a big puncher and had great hand speed, just as Pacquiao has got. Hard to see how Floyd jnr would have coped in the early 80s, he can just about get away with avoiding the Pacquiao fight, don't think the fans would have accepted Floyd avoiding fights with Leonard, Hearns and Duran. Dont compare Floyd to his father mr jokster..LOL....Floyd has WAAAY better defense, and he reads his opponents minds, slowly getting them frustrated, gets them used to his right hand, then later on, in sequences they expect him to throw it, he throws a completely different punch...and he plays with you mentally...Its allot of great fighters, but Floyd's ability to manipulate his opponents in the ring, get in their minds, throw them off guard by throwing unpredictable punches, throwing them at unpredictable times, while ur thinking, he sees your thinking, and throws a fast one...you can only get hit..and he tricks you into making mistakes...Floyd Sr had great skills, but He isnt a people reader, or a guy who can act as a psychic ...This is what Makes Floyd unbeatable...no matter who you are, you have no choice but to fight his fight...no choice but to get frustrated, no choice but to NOT land, get frustrated, and unintentionally make it IMPOSSIBLE for him to NOT know your frustrated...he will play off of it, and slowly ruin you mentally...Marquez said it was torture fighting Floyd, and humiliating...Floyd Sr was out of shape against SRL, And Floyd is NEVER out of shape, and even if Sr is IN shape, he wouldnt be able to compete with Jr IN shape...Jr is an Android from the future, and this is why no one can beat him..His father was a great fighter, but as the proof shows, he is very much beatable...he did not have what it took Im afraid

There is nothing very small about Floyd at WW. He cant possibly move down so that makes him a natural WW. You can say all those things about Floyd when he moved up to 147 seven years ago but now Floyd is a legit natural WW. He is not a huge WW but he is a WW. And Bro is same day weigh in, they are not gaining 15 pounds a couple hours before a fight. If rios was fighting back then, he would probably be a WW again, I never said that. When I said 160, I was talking about them vs Junior. Meaning if it was a fight now they would be naturally alot bigger. That is the main point. Oscar, Tito, & Shane are all very good fighters but there is a reason why some on here think they would beat Floyd in there prime. Its mostly due to them being naturally bigger men. Again, even if Floyd wouldve beat Margarito back then, they wouldve said he was running. Floyd has now grown into the weight as you say but dont tell me he is Leonard & Hearns. He's not. I dont care if its same day weigh-ins or what. He's just older & stronger. His body is filled out more but 150 is still 150 which is lesser then what Rios is at fight night. Its an advantage wether you want to admit it or not. If Floyd came into the ring at 160 then no one wouldve thought that Margarito had a chance in hell. The fact is that Floyd wouldve had to probably stick & move or run all night so even if he won people wouldve ripped that. Again, you cant mismatch things. My point is the TS in his op was talking about Senior vs SRL and how Floyd wouldnt have had tough fights like that at his early age and how Floyd wouldnt have won if he did and my point was that Floyd did have some tough fights but they were at SFW. Later my point is that its bad enough to compare them WW for WW now but you can somewhat do it. However, its horrible to compare them to the Floyd of early WW years, let alone a young Floyd who was at SFW. It just doesnt matchup. Doesnt matter. We can just agree to disagree

Same schooling and similar fight styles, but Floyd Jr is more physically gifted and a better fighter, BY FAR.

Holyfield is one weight under heavy. Jr is in his 4th division. I think with Jr you go from 130-140. After that you can still compare him because he's that good but the weight starts playing a huge factor because he is just so small. Im not a flomo. I have always said that I think Floyd hurt his career in alot of ways by moving up so quickly and that he did kinda stay away from guys like Margarito at the time. Floyd at LW came into the ring at 138 pounds, at SLW he came in at 142, and at WW until JMM he came in at 146-148. He couldve stayed a LW & SLW alot longer. He couldve fought JMM, MAB, EM, etc.. and his resume wouldve looked even better. None of those guys wouldve beat him. I think they truly passed on Margarito because they felt Floyd was too small. I think they felt Floyd wouldve won but he couldve lost and they wouldve killed themself if the let Floyd lose to someone so inferior just because Floyd was too small to keep him off. Floyd is 10x better than Margarito. Its not even a comparison. People only think he could win because he could overwhelm Floyd. If Floyd was a natural WW at the time then it wouldnt have been a contest. Fast forward to now. Floyd is more natural. Still a very small WW but you can tell he's way more comfortable at the weight and is stronger. If you put this Floyd back in his early WW era then there is no way he would be worried about fighting Margarito or Cotto but he wasnt that guy back then. He was smaller and didnt have the strength. Now when you talk about SRL & Hearns, you are talking about the best of the best. Floyd can compete with them way better now then he couldve at the begining of his WW career but they are still a good size bigger and its there 1st weight class. Its like if Nonito dominates up to 130 and then people say that he wouldnt beat Floyd at 130. He's not really suppose to. I could understand it if Nonito was at 130 and coming into the ring at 140 while looking mad strong but that wouldnt be the case. Also, just because its same day weigh-ins doesnt make them 150 or even less as you say. I think alot of you dont realize how quickly big guys can put on weight. You trying to tell me that Rios wouldnt put on any weight on a same day weigh-in? Come on now. They were still bigger than Floyd. Just look at them. You can easily see it There is nothing very small about Floyd at WW. He cant possibly move down so that makes him a natural WW. You can say all those things about Floyd when he moved up to 147 seven years ago but now Floyd is a legit natural WW. He is not a huge WW but he is a WW. And Bro is same day weigh in, they are not gaining 15 pounds a couple hours before a fight. If rios was fighting back then, he would probably be a WW

Floyd Jr, is by far the better athlete, better fighter and most importantly smarter fighter as oppose to his dad. They have a similar style but Sr, doesn't have the athleticism or brain to do half the things that Floyd does

It is a perfectly accurate comparison. First of all FLoyd has been fighting at WW for 7 years now, and you're trying to tell me he hasnt grown into a WW yet? And like i said when Leonard fought Hearns I, Duran I & II and Benitez, he fought them at 147 with same day weigh ins. They were not weighing in at 160 and were exactly where Floyd is at during the fight around 150ish, maybe even less!!. So its actually the perfect comparison. So based on your natural weight theory, you do not compare Holyfield to other great HWs because its not his natural weight, correct? And im not sure what this age to age comparison you're talking about, i saw nothing about that in the OP Holyfield is one weight under heavy. Jr is in his 4th division. I think with Jr you go from 130-140. After that you can still compare him because he's that good but the weight starts playing a huge factor because he is just so small. Im not a flomo. I have always said that I think Floyd hurt his career in alot of ways by moving up so quickly and that he did kinda stay away from guys like Margarito at the time. Floyd at LW came into the ring at 138 pounds, at SLW he came in at 142, and at WW until JMM he came in at 146-148. He couldve stayed a LW & SLW alot longer. He couldve fought JMM, MAB, EM, etc.. and his resume wouldve looked even better. None of those guys wouldve beat him. I think they truly passed on Margarito because they felt Floyd was too small. I think they felt Floyd wouldve won but he couldve lost and they wouldve killed themself if the let Floyd lose to someone so inferior just because Floyd was too small to keep him off. Floyd is 10x better than Margarito. Its not even a comparison. People only think he could win because he could overwhelm Floyd. If Floyd was a natural WW at the time then it wouldnt have been a contest. Fast forward to now. Floyd is more natural. Still a very small WW but you can tell he's way more comfortable at the weight and is stronger. If you put this Floyd back in his early WW era then there is no way he would be worried about fighting Margarito or Cotto but he wasnt that guy back then. He was smaller and didnt have the strength. Now when you talk about SRL & Hearns, you are talking about the best of the best. Floyd can compete with them way better now then he couldve at the begining of his WW career but they are still a good size bigger and its there 1st weight class. Its like if Nonito dominates up to 130 and then people say that he wouldnt beat Floyd at 130. He's not really suppose to. I could understand it if Nonito was at 130 and coming into the ring at 140 while looking mad strong but that wouldnt be the case. Also, just because its same day weigh-ins doesnt make them 150 or even less as you say. I think alot of you dont realize how quickly big guys can put on weight. You trying to tell me that Rios wouldnt put on any weight on a same day weigh-in? Come on now. They were still bigger than Floyd. Just look at them. You can easily see it

Sr has one type of defense he only uses the shoulder roll and not effective at that . Jr doesn't if a guy has great speed and is a right handed fighter he uses both a high guard and the shoulder roll but the most important thing is jr. knows when to use them to take away an opponents strength's. Jr. is not gonna just stand their like sr. did and get hit him the same punch over and over the right hand and not make any adjustments. Sr hardley threw any right hands he could have hit leonard alot he's a sucker for a right hand, sr doesn't jab to the body well. Sr didn't counter off the shoulder roll, Sr. doesn't seem to be a great inside fighter, doesn't make adjustments, not smarter has only one type of defense i could go on and on. Sr isn't better at anything than jr they are different fighter's just because you do something similar doesn't mean much. Sr is not walking an opponent down Jr can do that if needed. It just depends on what the other fighter's strenght's are. Once jr knows a fighter's strengths he has a gameplan that will help him win the fight, every fighter he faces is different and have different strengths and weaknesses so that why jr doesn't fight the same way ever fight. It's called versatility Sr. doesn't have that like jr. Jr is 1000x better than Sr. that's why he doesn't need him in his corner to train him to win fights. He's better at everything and Jr has one of the highest ring iq's of all time he's brillant in the ring at being able to think quick under pressure he might see something and set a plan of attack off of what he saw in an instant making adjustments on the fly. You can't do anything more than a couple of times vs a brillant thinking fighter they will see it as a habit and capitalize on it most fighter's don't have that gift. Two of the smartest that i can think of off the top of my head are Jr. and Donaire very smart fighter's. What do you think Mayweather was talking about when in the face off vs ortiz he kept on saying " You make any mistakes you have to pay" over and over it's a gift of seeing something as a habit and making the opponent pay for it alot of fighter's don't have that. Don't compare jr.and Sr. Jr is lightyears better. Jr. won a title without a trainer Jr. doesn't even really need a trainer thats how well he understands boxing. It was vs baldamoir i think i mean Baldamoir or however you spell it isn't the greatest but the guy was good enough to be champion in that division but Jr. beat him with no trainer,i think roger was in jail jr. really trains himself anyway.Jr is gifted and a great fighter.

Im talkin about vs Floyd Jr. What is your dumbass ranting about? At the end he started comparing Jr. to fighting SRL and the other big names of that era. You can compare Jr. to any WW but its not truly a fair comparison. I use to say it all the time. Iditos like Manny Steward in every Floyd fight says how he wouldnt stack up to SRL & Hearns. You can clearly tell he is speaking of head to head in a fight. Alot of guys on here post threads like that. It doesnt make sense. If you want to compare them then do it in a P4P sense. SRL at WW is equal to Floyd at SFW. The TS was also talking about age. He was talking about fighting guys at a young age and I was saying at that age Jr. was a SFW. I always use to say that if you wanna compare Floyd at WW then atleast wait a few years until he grows into the weight. That time has now come but he's still only 150 in the ring where those guys would easily be over 160 pounds even if you are dumb enough not to believe that. Senior himself talks non stop about how small Junior is. You can tell that he thinks that Junior is clearly a better fighter then himself but that he may have won because he is naturally a much bigger guy, espically if you are comparing them age for age like the TS was Im talking about vs Floyd Jr. It is a perfectly accurate comparison. First of all FLoyd has been fighting at WW for 7 years now, and you're trying to tell me he hasnt grown into a WW yet? And like i said when Leonard fought Hearns I, Duran I & II and Benitez, he fought them at 147 with same day weigh ins. They were not weighing in at 160 and were exactly where Floyd is at during the fight around 150ish, maybe even less!!. So its actually the perfect comparison. So based on your natural weight theory, you do not compare Holyfield to other great HWs because its not his natural weight, correct? And im not sure what this age to age comparison you're talking about, i saw nothing about that in the OP