a case for Mayweather comparing to SRL

A lot of people say you cant compare Mayweather to SRL and other all time greats because he ducked certain fights, he retired so he didnt have to fight certain people, doesnt hit hard enough. etc etc. Now lets really think about that honestly. 1-SRL blatantly ducked one of the greatest fighters of his era Aron Pryor. I watched a video of a press confrence held by SRL where Pryor literally begged for a fight that no one can deny he deserved and SRL looked right at him and said no I'm not fighting you. If Pacman would have walked into a Mayweather press confrence, begged him to fight and Mayweather said no he would be considerd the biggest chicken **** in boxing history,SRL is not. 2-People say Mayweather retired so he didnt have to fight certain people. That just happens to be exactly what SRL did. At the height of Marvin Hagglers career when the whole world was asking for SRL vs Haggler SRL held a press confrence where everyone thought he was announcing the Haggler fight. Instead he announced his retirement.People complain about the May Pac fight not happening for 2 years. SRL vs Haggler ended up happening after 6 years and no one considers SRL a chicken ****. if want to be real SRL vs Hearns took a couple of years to happen also but who's counting. Point is SRL did things that Floyd gets killed in the media for. My question is can Mayweather really stack up to the greats when it's all said and done ? i dont know . what does the forum think i want to know. Hey ignore all these guys criticising you. I followed mma long before I followed boxing and, from an outsiders perspective, too many boxing fans ideolise the past. No matter what a current fighter achieves it will never be good enough because in their minds no one can ever live up to an Ali or SRR. Whether people like it or not SRL cherry picked. I don't know about him ducking Pryor but of his major fights this is what I know of him. After he lost to Duran, he scheduled the rematch right away because he knew that Duran gained a lot of weight in between fights and the weight cut would cause problems for him. It's also well known that Ray Leonard wanted nothing to do with prime Hagler, and only fought Hagler when he was showing signs of decline. I'm not saying that Ray Leonard wasn't an amazing fighter, but the way he and other greats of the past are immune from criticism is ridiculous. I sometimes feel that if boxing fans were mma fans they'd argue that Ken Shamrock is better than Anderson Silva :)

Can you please elaborate on your reply? All I see is Ray being a bittch in that video. Did he do what mayweather does and demand 90% of the purse split? I would really like to know The show, despite being entertaining, is filled with myths, exaggerations, or just plain inaccuracies for the sake of drama. For instance, it portrays Pryor as this fighter who was ducked by all the big names. First of all, the big names like Leonard, Duran, and Hearns, all competed in a different division. Pryor was still offered a Leonard fight for $500k, and turned it down because he wanted more money. This is coming from Pryor's own mouth after he fought Blackmoore. To give you an idea of what Pryor was making at the time, he fought Cervantes for the title at 140 a year before and was paid like $50k. Pryor also was offered a fight with Duran, but he rejected it, because he had managerial issues. Of course Leonard demanded the large chunk of the purse. He was the star, and a diva. That was well known. Duran was far more of a proven guy than Pryor, a champ since 1972, was very big in New York when he fought there, was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, and Leonard still took more than 80% of the purse when he fought him the first time. For some reason, people have this notion that boxing is some playground fight, where big fights are made with words and verbal challenges, rather than with lawyers negotiating over big dollars. The show also claims that there was a "Nicaraguan judge who gave nearly all the rounds to Arguello". You look at the scorecards, and the only judge who had it for Alexis was a Japanese judge who had him up by a whopping margin of two points after 13 rounds. Then because of the show, people get the impression that Meldrick Taylor as this guy who goes from the next ATG to some brain-damaged scrub overnight. It fails to leave out that Taylor was still good enough to score the 2nd best win of his career a year after losing to Chavez, moving up and beating a respectable undefeated champ at WW in Aaron Davis, a taller man who had like 8 inches in reach on Taylor. Actually to cut some slack to HBO in regards to that, they never said the brain-damage was done by Chavez alone, or that he suddenly was no longer a world class fighter. That's a matter of people seeing point A and then point E, skipping over B, C, and D. There's other factors that led to Taylor becoming what he was. But then Jim Lampley says at the end of the episode "Taylor lost a one-sided rematch to Chavez". Nonsense, the rematch was highly competitive for 5 rounds, and round 6 was a great round. After that, however, Taylor's legs were done, and he was outta there 2 rounds later. It's why when people always talk about how HBO should do more episodes. I say that'd be cool, but cut out all the myths and exaggerations. Boxing is plenty dramatic and exciting on its own without stretching the truth.

HBO legendary nights is probably the worse thing to happen to young boxing fans. Can you please elaborate on your reply? All I see is Ray being a bittch in that video. Did he do what mayweather does and demand 90% of the purse split? I would really like to know

Legendary Nights myths strikes again. Can you please elaborate on your reply? All I see is Ray being a bittch in that video. Did he do what mayweather does and demand 90% of the purse split? I would really like to know

Well, SRL did fight Duran, Hearns, and Hagler... Its kind of hard to say he's a chicken **** no matter who else he ducked I'd say its becuz Floyd talked more shit than SRL... Just my guess they come from different veins of american champs. leonard was more a ppls champ in the vein of joe louis. mayweather is from the ali, jack johnson vein of american champs

A lot of people say you cant compare Mayweather to SRL and other all time greats because he ducked certain fights, he retired so he didnt have to fight certain people, doesnt hit hard enough. etc etc. Now lets really think about that honestly. 1-SRL blatantly ducked one of the greatest fighters of his era Aron Pryor. I watched a video of a press confrence held by SRL where Pryor literally begged for a fight that no one can deny he deserved and SRL looked right at him and said no I'm not fighting you. If Pacman would have walked into a Mayweather press confrence, begged him to fight and Mayweather said no he would be considerd the biggest chicken **** in boxing history,SRL is not. Well, SRL did fight Duran, Hearns, and Hagler... Its kind of hard to say he's a chicken **** no matter who else he ducked 2-People say Mayweather retired so he didnt have to fight certain people. That just happens to be exactly what SRL did. At the height of Marvin Hagglers career when the whole world was asking for SRL vs Haggler SRL held a press confrence where everyone thought he was announcing the Haggler fight. Instead he announced his retirement.People complain about the May Pac fight not happening for 2 years. SRL vs Haggler ended up happening after 6 years and no one considers SRL a chicken ****. if want to be real SRL vs Hearns took a couple of years to happen also but who's counting. Point is SRL did things that Floyd gets killed in the media for. My question is can Mayweather really stack up to the greats when it's all said and done ? i dont know . what does the forum think i want to know. I'd say its becuz Floyd talked more shit than SRL... Just my guess

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threads like these are what bring the floyd fandom down on this site. smh...

Even if Floyd fought every possible dude he could have Leonard would still have the top three wins and arguably 4 of the top 5. Dudes just weren't around at least on that sort of level. Tough to overcome that sort of thing in a comparison.

Pryor vs. Benitez @ 140 is a great matchup.

Legendary Nights myths strikes again.

A lot of people say you cant compare Mayweather to SRL and other all time greats because he ducked certain fights, he retired so he didnt have to fight certain people, doesnt hit hard enough. etc etc. Now lets really think about that honestly. 1-SRL blatantly ducked one of the greatest fighters of his era Aron Pryor. I watched a video of a press confrence held by SRL where Pryor literally begged for a fight that no one can deny he deserved and SRL looked right at him and said no I'm not fighting you. If Pacman would have walked into a Mayweather press confrence, begged him to fight and Mayweather said no he would be considerd the biggest chicken **** in boxing history,SRL is not. 2-People say Mayweather retired so he didnt have to fight certain people. That just happens to be exactly what SRL did. At the height of Marvin Hagglers career when the whole world was asking for SRL vs Haggler SRL held a press confrence where everyone thought he was announcing the Haggler fight. Instead he announced his retirement.People complain about the May Pac fight not happening for 2 years. SRL vs Haggler ended up happening after 6 years and no one considers SRL a chicken ****. if want to be real SRL vs Hearns took a couple of years to happen also but who's counting. Point is SRL did things that Floyd gets killed in the media for. My question is can Mayweather really stack up to the greats when it's all said and done ? i dont know . what does the forum think i want to know. Ray ducked Hawk?!?..smh...nah son!! Ray and Floyd are on different shelves imo...some would go as far as placing them in different stores!!

A lot of people say you cant compare Mayweather to SRL and other all time greats because he ducked certain fights, he retired so he didnt have to fight certain people, doesnt hit hard enough. etc etc. Now lets really think about that honestly. 1-SRL blatantly ducked one of the greatest fighters of his era Aron Pryor. I watched a video of a press confrence held by SRL where Pryor literally begged for a fight that no one can deny he deserved and SRL looked right at him and said no I'm not fighting you. If Pacman would have walked into a Mayweather press confrence, begged him to fight and Mayweather said no he would be considerd the biggest chicken **** in boxing history,SRL is not. 2-People say Mayweather retired so he didnt have to fight certain people. That just happens to be exactly what SRL did. At the height of Marvin Hagglers career when the whole world was asking for SRL vs Haggler SRL held a press confrence where everyone thought he was announcing the Haggler fight. Instead he announced his retirement.People complain about the May Pac fight not happening for 2 years. SRL vs Haggler ended up happening after 6 years and no one considers SRL a chicken ****. if want to be real SRL vs Hearns took a couple of years to happen also but who's counting. Point is SRL did things that Floyd gets killed in the media for. My question is can Mayweather really stack up to the greats when it's all said and done ? i dont know . what does the forum think i want to know. Ended up happening...

Leonard's win over Hearns and Duran IMO are bigger than any victory Floyd has on his resume. That's not hating either, it just is what it is (in relation to when Leonard also fought them). If one can find me 2 fighters that Floyd has faced that match either of those 2, be my guest.

A lot of people say you cant compare Mayweather to SRL and other all time greats because he ducked certain fights, he retired so he didnt have to fight certain people, doesnt hit hard enough. etc etc. Now lets really think about that honestly. 1-SRL blatantly ducked one of the greatest fighters of his era Aron Pryor. I watched a video of a press confrence held by SRL where Pryor literally begged for a fight that no one can deny he deserved and SRL looked right at him and said no I'm not fighting you. If Pacman would have walked into a Mayweather press confrence, begged him to fight and Mayweather said no he would be considerd the biggest chicken **** in boxing history,SRL is not. 2-People say Mayweather retired so he didnt have to fight certain people. That just happens to be exactly what SRL did. At the height of Marvin Hagglers career when the whole world was asking for SRL vs Haggler SRL held a press confrence where everyone thought he was announcing the Haggler fight. Instead he announced his retirement.People complain about the May Pac fight not happening for 2 years. SRL vs Haggler ended up happening after 6 years and no one considers SRL a chicken ****. if want to be real SRL vs Hearns took a couple of years to happen also but who's counting. Point is SRL did things that Floyd gets killed in the media for. My question is can Mayweather really stack up to the greats when it's all said and done ? i dont know . what does the forum think i want to know. Your first point is dead wrong. Leonard didn't duck Pryor. Your second point leaves out something rather important, which was that Leonard had an eye problem that forced him to retire. Not to mention Leonard's wins are infinitely greater than Floyd's.

The only cases of more blatant ducking then what Floyd is doing that I seen in boxing during the modern era is both Bowe and Tyson ducking PBL. That's probably worse though because PBL had to sue Bowe and Tyson both and still didn't get fights with either. Bowe was no coward and was instructed by Rock to throw his belt away because Rock knew PBL woulda taken Bowe apart and ended his gravy train. Tyson was a different matter, Iron Mike if he really wanted any PART of PBL during the mid 90's could have forced a fight. PBL was the most avoided ****ing HW in the history of the sport. Fcuk off. Tyson wanted lennox in his prime. Instead of turning pro and building himself up, lennox chose to stay as an amateur for another 4 years and wait for Tyson to be done.

A lot of people say you cant compare Mayweather to SRL and other all time greats because he ducked certain fights, he retired so he didnt have to fight certain people, doesnt hit hard enough. etc etc. Now lets really think about that honestly. 1-SRL blatantly ducked one of the greatest fighters of his era Aron Pryor. I watched a video of a press confrence held by SRL where Pryor literally begged for a fight that no one can deny he deserved and SRL looked right at him and said no I'm not fighting you. If Pacman would have walked into a Mayweather press confrence, begged him to fight and Mayweather said no he would be considerd the biggest chicken **** in boxing history,SRL is not. 2-People say Mayweather retired so he didnt have to fight certain people. That just happens to be exactly what SRL did. At the height of Marvin Hagglers career when the whole world was asking for SRL vs Haggler SRL held a press confrence where everyone thought he was announcing the Haggler fight. Instead he announced his retirement.People complain about the May Pac fight not happening for 2 years. SRL vs Haggler ended up happening after 6 years and no one considers SRL a chicken ****. if want to be real SRL vs Hearns took a couple of years to happen also but who's counting. Point is SRL did things that Floyd gets killed in the media for. My question is can Mayweather really stack up to the greats when it's all said and done ? i dont know . what does the forum think i want to know. You show just how little of history you know by claiming Leonard ducked Pryor.

and ray fought duran, hearns and benitez during their prime... just how ballsy was that? its one of the best bragging rights in boxing if u ask me... but as a jerk at negotiations, making foes do some compromises (just look at the lalonde fight) ray was just as narcisistic as PBF...

Oh get over it. Leonard offered Pryor a career high 500k purse to fight him, Pryor refused. Couple that with the fact they were actually in different weight classes. Even if Leonard never fought Pryor he fought Hearns, Duran and Benitez who were better. As for the Hagler fight, Leonard had no obligation to move up a weightclass and face Hagler and he retired with a detatched retina which is a very legitimate reason. The only reason Leonard vs Hearns took so long to materialize as they wanted it to be a super-fight. They would wait until they were both stars of boxing and it was a huge grossing event. That's what happened. Dundee and Steward had it all worked out if I remember rightly.