Is Gary Shaw that bad?

whatever personal problems he had with specific fighters, it's probably all true and I'm not giving him a pass for it, but I think all other reasons aside these fighters thought they could have better financial success in the future without shaw. as time goes by he gets lower on the totem pole of promoters

He wasn't really working with premium prospects except Dirrell, certainly not the most exciting crop of guys but got them on TV and made them good money. He could have certainly done better to build them up as attactions, but he gt them tons of exposure they would not have got because if they were with a big time promoter guys like Dawson, Bradley and even Dirrell would likely be after thoughts and have a hard time getting on TV. He took them as far as he could though, but I don't think he did that bad but he is a jackass, a jerk and pretty lazy wanting networks to do the heavy lifting instead of doing actual promotions himself.

its mostly economic. we have a coke/pepsi situation with top rank and golden boy in the US right now, it has proven to be atleast an "OK" business model

What I recall most about Shaw was that before Corrales had his fatal accident, he was reported to be having problems over money with Shaw. Also, that Shaw was not as helpful to the bereaved family as he could have been. Also, he had no business allowing Corrales to fight Castillo when Castillo was at least 7 lbs overweight (that he admitted to) and when one of his team was caught stretching out his leg in the crowd around the scales, pressing his toe to the side of the scales, so it would weigh lighter. Corrales was KO'd that time early in the fight. Shaw is a total jerk-off. I went to the media workouts for Dirrell-Abraham and was asking them some questions on behalf of Bscene. This was a week after the Pac-Clottey fight and I asked Dirrell something along the lines of "Having watched Abraham fight numerous times, he does not counterpunch or return fire as long as his opponent is throwing punches, much like Clottey. Do you think you can take advantage of that and use your offense as your best defense and really impress people who are expecting you to fight a negative fight?" Shaw was like "that's a stupid question". I said "why is that?" He says "you think Abraham is gonna just stand around like Clottey did and do nothing?" I said "If Andre throws enough punches yes." Shaw says "next question, we're not even gonna answer that." Was glad to see Dirrell leave him cause he's a good kid and Shaw is an arrogant piece of sh*t.

What I recall most about Shaw was that before Corrales had his fatal accident, he was reported to be having problems over money with Shaw. Also, that Shaw was not as helpful to the bereaved family as he could have been. Also, he had no business allowing Corrales to fight Castillo when Castillo was at least 7 lbs overweight (that he admitted to) and when one of his team was caught stretching out his leg in the crowd around the scales, pressing his toe to the side of the scales, so it would weigh lighter. Corrales was KO'd that time early in the fight.

I understand. It seems like he doesn't get his fighters enough exposure. He's done a decent job with some fighters though, look at Darchinyan. It seems to me he wants his fighters to come up the right way, not by fighting a boatload of bums and getting famous off of that. With the Dawson vs Pascal situation, let's be honest where the heck was dawson supposed to fight and get that much money? As much as I like Dawson he's not a draw at all, which really isn't Shaw's fault entirely. I for one like seeing the guy fight but he gets so comfortable in there at times it just looks like he's bored and doesn't step on the gas at all. I think Shaw really screwed up with Bradley, he could be promoting him right now for this Pac fight. It's kind of funny saying this but I don't think he knows how to market black fighters Dawson's big problem has always been his personality,which I'm happy he is startingto turn around(sit down with ya tight jeans LMFAO it never gets old)..But Shaw still could have put money behind him more imo,he beats Adamek,Shaw should have paid to have him do some interviews or open work outs...He does not do that because it cost money,money he himself is not willing to put up..That kind of thing stunts a good fighters growth...Chinny is not even promoted right tbh,Chinny has fans because he is exciting and talks a lot,not cause of Shaws promoting talents...I think guys like Shaw are good for young fighters in away,because he will put his fighters in tough..But any good fighter knows if they wanna get paid they have to leave him...He wanted Bradley to fight Devon for 500k,if not for Bradleys manager that is exactly what would have happen...

I like Shaw but he just doesnt have the resources to make guys superstars

Fat shaw is garbage. All he does is beg for hbo dates. None of his fighters can sell out my backyard (xcept vic). Look at chad dawson... Dude is a garbage attractiOn. He brings nothing but skills to the table, but if he was moved right, he could be an exciting fighter to watch (by fighting guys like cloud etc) Who couldnt make money with vic d? Dude sells himself and fights anyone. Fat shaw is garbage and goosen needs to step his game up too.

If you're not with golden boy or top rank, you're on the outside looking in.

He does not invest in his fighters,no exposure..He lands his fighters fights by begging which is not the way to do business..Shaw had Angulo,a fun fighter to watch and had star written all over him,what did he do with him but match him up against bums and not even get him any spot light promotion..In boxing you have to spend money,even Dibella and Goosen spend money on getting their fighters names out there..Which is why Martinez and Ward usually do very well at their gates without being back by a major promotion company...But Shaw,not so much...What fighter of his can draw??Answer none..What fighter of his has a known name??Answer none...Shaw is a scumbag who will not spend any money on his fighters and tbh will stall a fighters career when they reach a certain point..I also believe that he roots for his fighters to lose so that they will have to stay with him..If ya watch him carefully he always puts his fighters in positions to lose..Quick example Dawson traveling to Canada to fight Pascal... I understand. It seems like he doesn't get his fighters enough exposure. He's done a decent job with some fighters though, look at Darchinyan. It seems to me he wants his fighters to come up the right way, not by fighting a boatload of bums and getting famous off of that. With the Dawson vs Pascal situation, let's be honest where the heck was dawson supposed to fight and get that much money? As much as I like Dawson he's not a draw at all, which really isn't Shaw's fault entirely. I for one like seeing the guy fight but he gets so comfortable in there at times it just looks like he's bored and doesn't step on the gas at all. I think Shaw really screwed up with Bradley, he could be promoting him right now for this Pac fight. It's kind of funny saying this but I don't think he knows how to market black fighters

I kinda feel bad for Shaw...but if he does not invest in fights and fighters what is he investing in? From the looks of him,Mickie D's

Don king, shaw and goosen are not good promoters! Top rank, goldenboy is the place for fighters I don't agree,Goosen King and Dibella are good promoters,not on TR or GBP level,but good enough..Which is a big reason why they keep their good fighters..

Don king, shaw and goosen are not good promoters! Top rank, goldenboy is the place for fighters

I kinda feel bad for Shaw...but if he does not invest in fights and fighters what is he investing in?

Everybody leaves this dude. I think all he may have left now is Chad Dawson. Is he that bad of a promoter that fighters seem like they can't wait to get away from this dude? He seems like a decent promoter to me, but has he burned too many bridges that other promoters don't want to work with him. It seems to me that if he had a fighter and another promoter wanted to get a fight with his fighter it was pretty easy. Anybody know anything I may be missing? He does not invest in his fighters,no exposure..He lands his fighters fights by begging which is not the way to do business..Shaw had Angulo,a fun fighter to watch and had star written all over him,what did he do with him but match him up against bums and not even get him any spot light promotion..In boxing you have to spend money,even Dibella and Goosen spend money on getting their fighters names out there..Which is why Martinez and Ward usually do very well at their gates without being back by a major promotion company...But Shaw,not so much...What fighter of his can draw??Answer none..What fighter of his has a known name??Answer none...Shaw is a scumbag who will not spend any money on his fighters and tbh will stall a fighters career when they reach a certain point..I also believe that he roots for his fighters to lose so that they will have to stay with him..If ya watch him carefully he always puts his fighters in positions to lose..Quick example Dawson traveling to Canada to fight Pascal...