1 Vitali
2 Vitali
3 Vitali
4 Chisora
5 Vitali
6 Chisora
7 Chisora (vitali only lands 2 or 3 clean shots)
8 Chisora
9 Chisora (Vitali had a good late round run but it was too late. Chisora started strong)
10 Vitali (I'm actually mixed between even and Vitali)
11 Vitali
12Chisora
6 rounds to 6
Re-watch the fight.
Turn the volume all the way down. Hometown cheers for blocked, rolled, or missed punches by Vitali can get to some people.
Count those body shots landed by Chisora in clinches. Those shots count.
Count ALL body shots as being just as significant as head shots because they are. The only people who think they're not are people who have never been in the ring and gotten hit in the body.
Take effective aggression into consideration. Chisora, for nearly 12 rounds, has Vitali on the back-foot by coming forward and landing shots (mostly to the body).
Notice how many of Vitali's punches are rolled, slipped, or blocked. Some of them simply graze or tap Chisora and they are not clean punches. The majority of the clean punches were from Chisora to Vitali's body.
I know many of you will see this as an opportunity to "flame" me but I'll only respond to respectful replies. I urge you to watch the fight again before responding and tell me if you can understand my perspective even if you still scored the fight for Vitali.
Please provide an actual score card. I'd like to know exactly which rounds you did not give to Chisora.
this is my scorecard:
R1: Klitschko
R2: Klitschko
R3: Klitschko
R4: Chisora (Close round)
R5: Chisora
R6: Chisora (Close round)
R7: Chisora
R8: Draw
R9: Klitschko
R10: Klitschko
R11: Klitschko
R12: Draw
I remember almost giving Chisora one of the "Draw" rounds, but even then he would have lost the fight by 1 point. So, It was very close but Klitschko still edged it in my opinion.
I want to see Vitali VS Fury after Tyson has a few more fights under his belt, give him a few top 10 ranked contenders and make him #1 contender. I don't care if it's Helenius or Povetkin neither but honestly as long as it's someone whom I feel can deal with the size difference and actually fights back effectively I'm all good..
honestly though he fights Chisora but not the Men who had already beaten Chisora? those are the guys he should have seeked, he should have let Haye and Del Boy fight for the crack at him being that they both had lost their last fights and just went on to face the young, fresh undefeated talent instead of Chisora
Vitali is the greatest HW right? so throw him Povetkin, Helenius, Fury, Arreola rematch etc, these are guys that are here to fight. don't get me wrong I enjoyed Klitschko-Chisora I just felt that it was pointless in essence, if anything Wladimir should have been fighting Chisora instead of fighting Jean Marc Mormeck who clearly shouldn't be the guy getting a klitschko right now, at least let him beat a top ranked guy first and look really good in doing so you feel me, I don't think a guy who got a gift wrapped decision with sprinkles on top against Fres Oquendo should be fight a Klitschko.
I would have rather watched Wladimir or Vitali VS Evander over Vitali VS Del Boy and Wladimir VS Jean Marc any day. This Mormeck fight is literally a waste of time, Wladimir should be fighting an opponent who is going to challenge him to his furthest limits not someone who has yet to even look devastating as a Heavyweight and got knocked out by the guy you just beat a whole weight class lower, doesn't make any sense and honestly it makes me question Wladimir Klitschko for taking this fight, there were CLEARLY better options and you chose to go for the guy you can clearly defeat and already suffered a crushing KO loss to the man you just toyed with last July
as for the fight score I only watched it while it happened live and I felt Vitali won on points rather comfortably, I ain't got a round by round but I can't really remember giving Del Boy more than 2-3 rounds
The judges gave him 2 rds tops.... so that is why we have to object to your moronic draw theory. QUIT GRASPING at straws.. Vitali landed & threw more shots... his shots were cleaner & harder than Chisora's & he had Chisora coughing up blood as well. Chisora paid for his aggression.. let's all stop pretending that he didn't just because he didn't get stopped... if that jab of Vitali's was there all night... no doubt in my mind Derek's pedestrian attacks would've been thwarted inside the distance... he wasn't no Byrd or Johnson avoiding punches & abandoning offense to do it.
Vitali was tagging him & whomever Vitali tags gets pummeled with the one exception being that Vitali NOT play the one armed bandit for the majority of the bout... That jab in his face ALL night long & Derek's rushes become few & far between until he quits or the ref stops the carnage. Derek was special becuase he was one of the few that was dealing with a hindered & hampered Vitali Klitschko that STILL managed to NOT allow his opposition more than 2 rds regardless of the condition he's in. Vitali makes EXCUSES when he dominates in a less than stellar fashion... that's how great & prideful he is.
Vitali need not apologize to anyone for a less than stellar performance which usually means his opponent doesn't hear the final bell. Vitali's off nights are past greats extraordinary performances.. How many times did Lennox go the distance in this type of fashion in his prime.. how about LARRY hOLMES.. or Ali... LET'S KEEP IT REAL here..
Vitali can adjust to ANY STYLE.. fight backward.. frontwards.. sideways.... you can have his shoulder ailing.. his eye busted up... doesn't matter.. he'll always throw & land more shots than you & outbox & outslug you.. IT'S HAPPENED all 46 times he's fought regardless of circumstances... Vitali is like a windup doll... just let's the punches fly regardless of what offense or edefense his oppposition is mustering.. he mixes up the power of his shots to keep you off balance & then lays down the righthand sledgehammer at the end to put you away... 87% of the time you don't hear the final bell.. kapish!
Judges also scored the fight for Cloud and Helanius. They also only gave Martinez something like 3 rounds in their first fight. Oh hail the wise judges. :notworthy
The rest of your post was redundant, repetitive, and unnecessarily long. I could respond by simply re-posting the topic and we'd be back to square one. Try to be more lucid so your points will hit home harder.
Because I said 5 rounds is the Maximum you could give him, and to be honest, that's if you're to be really generous.
So, that's why it's inconcievable to say someone gave him "one more round" than that because 5 maximum means no more after it.
And like I said, giving Chisora 5 rounds of the fight is giving him every benefit of the doubt.
No way was the fight a draw.
So we disagree. Great. What would the world be if we all thought alike? :bounce:
Got a score card?
On my card it was a draw.
If you concede that he possibly won 5 rounds then how is it so inconceivable that somebody gave him one more round than that? Had you said something like 3 rounds maximum then I could understand such a vehement objection.
On my card it was a draw.
Because I said 5 rounds is the Maximum you could give him, and to be honest, that's if you're to be really generous.
So, that's why it's inconcievable to say someone gave him "one more round" than that because 5 maximum means no more after it.
And like I said, giving Chisora 5 rounds of the fight is giving him every benefit of the doubt.
No way was the fight a draw.
No way was the fight a draw.
On my card it was a draw.
Chisora gave a good account of himself an arguably won 4, maybe 5 rounds, maximum.
If you concede that he possibly won 5 rounds then how is it so inconceivable that somebody gave him one more round than that? Had you said something like 3 rounds maximum then I could understand such a vehement objection.
I don't think Chisora nor Frank Warren would try and argue Chisora deserved a draw.
On my card it was a draw.
No way was the fight a draw.
Chisora gave a good account of himself an arguably won 4, maybe 5 rounds, maximum.
I don't think Chisora nor Frank Warren would try and argue Chisora deserved a draw.
You think he won but scored the fight a draw?
So which one is it? :lol1:
Re-read the comment I responded to. When I said "he" I was referring to Vitali. The correct score on my card was a draw.
1 Vitali
2 Vitali
3 Vitali
4 Chisora
5 Vitali
6 Chisora
7 Chisora (vitali only lands 2 or 3 clean shots)
8 Chisora
9 Chisora (Vitali had a good late round run but it was too late. Chisora started strong)
10 Vitali (I'm actually mixed between even and Vitali)
11 Vitali
12Chisora
6 rounds to 6
Re-watch the fight.
Turn the volume all the way down. Hometown cheers for blocked, rolled, or missed punches by Vitali can get to some people.
Count those body shots landed by Chisora in clinches. Those shots count.
Count ALL body shots as being just as significant as head shots because they are. The only people who think they're not are people who have never been in the ring and gotten hit in the body.
Take effective aggression into consideration. Chisora, for nearly 12 rounds, has Vitali on the back-foot by coming forward and landing shots (mostly to the body).
Notice how many of Vitali's punches are rolled, slipped, or blocked. Some of them simply graze or tap Chisora and they are not clean punches. The majority of the clean punches were from Chisora to Vitali's body.
I know many of you will see this as an opportunity to "flame" me but I'll only respond to respectful replies. I urge you to watch the fight again before responding and tell me if you can understand my perspective even if you still scored the fight for Vitali.
Please provide an actual score card. I'd like to know exactly which rounds you did not give to Chisora.
thats actually a good scorecard but I had Klitschko winning 6 rounds to 5 with 1 round even. I almost scored it 6 rounds to 4 for klitschko with 2 rounds even.
I think Chisora ALMOST deserved a draw, but I think klitschko edged it
I had Vitali winning 7 to 4 (one round I had a draw).
Although I don't like Chisora as a person I have to give him some respect. I was expecting this fight to be part 2 of Wladimir Haye, but Chisora backed up his trash talk and gave Vitali the toughest fight he's had since Lewis. Although (imo) Vitali clearly won he never looked comfortable, I know he's 40 and that he had a shoulder injury but I think it would be a big mistake to overlook Chisora's efforts.
Although I dislike them both I think Chisora Haye would be an interesting fight with the winning getting Vitali.
I believe that's why he won also, and I agree it's boxing tradition to beat the champ in emphatic fashion when you're in his hometown.
You think he won but scored the fight a draw?
So which one is it? :lol1:
1. Vitali
2. Vitali
3. Vitali
4. Chisora
5. Haye
6. Ali
7. Vitali
8. Foreman
9. Marciano
10. Vitali
11.Vitali
12.Louis
Well I must say that I had a good laugh at your "scorecard". Just the right thing for the topic.
I gave Chisora 6,8,12. Had 7 as swing. Anyhow, can't see it at 6-6. And I'm more biased to Chisora than Vitali. We need new blood at HW to counter the Klit bros. But I just can't see Chisora being it. But he certainly made HW a bit interesting lately. Lolz.
As I've said, Chisora's body work and pressure was the highlight of the fight for me. That's why I gave him some of the rounds that you didn't. Thanks for sharing your card.
I never watched the fight until today and I think the fight was much more competitive and closer than I had originally imagined it was. I think judges score rounds apparently on their expectation of who should win, and it is usually very difficult to dethrone a champion unless he is knocked out.
But even if Chisora is a flake, I respect his effort. He came to fight, he was the aggressor throughout and he wasn't afraid of Vitali's power. He landed far better punches to the body than Vitali and Vitali never hurt him, cut him or puffed him up.
If Chisora were the champion and Vitali were the challenger, I think it would have been scored 118-110 for Chisora, but divorced from the the thumb on the scale that the big name champions get in the scoring, I think it was a rather even fight.
That's how I saw it also. And the body work Chisora put in, along with his pressure, was the highlight of the fight. Don't see how anybody can deny that.
You've gotta be kidding.
I had it 8-2-2.
I gave Chisora rounds 6 and 8, and had 7 and 12 even.
If you want to give the two even rounds to Chisora, still only 8-4.
No way in hell was that fight 6-6.
12 even? That's inconceivable.
I gave Chisora 6,8,12. Had 7 as swing. Anyhow, can't see it at 6-6. And I'm more biased to Chisora than Vitali. We need new blood at HW to counter the Klit bros. But I just can't see Chisora being it. But he certainly made HW a bit interesting lately. Lolz.