Are ligament tears signs of steroid use?

Or are muscle tears more common if someone is using PEDs? Regular people(non-pro athletes) get torn ACLs, MCLs pulled hamstrings, torn rotator cuff doing regular activities and/or doing sports. On a sidenote, Andre Berto, who is working with Victor Conte, had a torn bicep injury.:dunno:

Which is why youre asking NSB (Steroid Experts) instead of just googling it :lol1: I got the idea from the talk that was going on in NSB, so I went ahead and asked on NSB. Sorry if it offends you. I'm glad I did too...MonsieurGeorges had some good info. And you gotta love that he has Benny Leonard in his sig. You aren't going to find that on Steroids.com or wherever. :lol1:

Anecdotal evidence shows that being in your 40s is also linked to ligament tears. Its funny, but I just Googled "is being in your forties linked to ligament damage?". The closet thing that came up was ACL injuries are more likely in your late forties. I quit looking when I got to the second page and THIS thread was on there. So there really isn't any anecdotal evidence to your claim either. :nana:

Which is why youre asking NSB (Steroid Experts) instead of just googling it :lol1: I told him the same stuff he would read in any of those articles. I'm happy to talk about something that interests me with others that have similar interests. don't be cheeky, join the conversation, its a forum, a place where people go to bounce ideas off of one another

I'm not really going after Vitali or any boxer in particular. If that's what you're getting. Just curious, that's all. Which is why youre asking NSB (Steroid Experts) instead of just googling it :lol1:

I'm not really going after Vitali or any boxer in particular. If that's what you're getting. Just curious, that's all. and hey, I'm a K Bros fan but you have the right to go after him because he has been linked to it before. Just like I got nothing against Mosley, but whats true is true and if not mistaken he did admit or imply that he used the cream/clear combo

I get what you're saying. The muscles are the primary things that grow, but the ligaments and tendons get strained as a result. Making them more susceptible to injury. yup. and also right when you first start taking roids you see gains quickly. so say your benching 150 pounds 3 days a week, taking dianabol or something and you notice the "bellies" of the muscles in your chest are clearly larger. This might give you a false confidence and make you think you could add more weight without risking injury, really underneath that bulging muscle your tendons/ligaments are only adjusted to the 150 pounds you've been doing. With that said, with close attention you can use steroids and avoid injury. I've seen it done. You've got to make a plan and stick to it. I would say stay away from injections or prolonged, complex cycles unless you are both an experienced athlete/bodybuilder and being very careful. Any drug has potential for abuse but something like steroids, its pitfalls are unique. It is isn't like crack or heroin where you look like **** and your life gets ****ed, you can take steroids and walk around looking and feeling good. There are also drugs like clomid and nolvadex to minimize bad side-effects and help get your hormones back in balance after cycles. on a side note, I don't see these kind of problems in boxing because of the nature of the training. it's more so in stuff like powerlifting. Boxers probably wouldn't be doing the dianabol/deca-durabolin mixed with test. its a little much. but other PEDs like EPO or the cream/clear thing are probably prevalent on the fringes of boxing. also, I'm not the most knowledgable guy about this, Its just my best friend is a big gym guy and we've done some anabolics before. he talks and talks about it and i just pick up some stuff here and there

I'm not really going after Vitali or any boxer in particular. If that's what you're getting. Just curious, that's all.

Anecdotal evidence shows that being in your 40s is also linked to ligament tears.

I get what you're saying. The muscles are the primary things that grow, but the ligaments and tendons get strained as a result. Making them more susceptible to injury.

Victor Conte has cleaned up his act, allegedly. And he is working with Dr. Margaret Goodman now whose reputation is beyond reproach. And I'm not speaking about any specific PEDs in particular, just in general. What type of injuries would one expect to see from a steroid user? well an anabolic steroid is just one of the many things that falls under the umbrella of PEDs. someone using anabolic steroids would see their muscles develop faster than their ligaments and tendons. that presents a problem because all three of these need to work in tandem

Ligaments can only take so much force, if a guy trains to a level that can produce forces beyond what their body can handle there will eventually be a spot that gets worn out.

Victor Conte has cleaned up his act, allegedly. And he is working with Dr. Margaret Goodman now whose reputation is beyond reproach. And I'm not speaking about any specific PEDs in particular, just in general. What type of injuries would one expect to see from a steroid user?

Google "do steroids cause ligament damage?" and you will find a ton of information about it. But the fact is, yes they do.

what kinda PEDs? ligaments don't hypertrophy as fast as muscles, so if your using anabolic steroids i guess it is possible. if you are being smart about how you lift it probably wont happen, and it also probably won't happen if your on a "small-scale" type of steroid cycle Steroids attach to receptors, there many receptors in the muscles and few in connective tissue. Thus, when rapid gains are made in muscular strength and size tears can happen easier. Overtime, your connective tissue catches up to muscular strength. As you get more seasoned in both your training and drug cycles you will see very little rapid growth, unlike in the beginning. Add to that fact that most PLers use the low dose and long term approach to cycling

Working with Victor Conte is usually a good sign of it