Mayweather, Underrated?

I genuinely believe he is. I don't think boxing fans give him enough credit. If they do, I don't hear it often. People generally judge him based on his out the ring antics, and the persona he put on. I think everyone will look back, and start giving credit, eventually, when he retires. Or maybe the won't. Either way, I think he's a special fighter who'll be missed when he hangs up the gloves. He's not underrated at all. All you need to do is listen and carefully dissect the arguments his detractors use and all the bullcrap they say: - He's never fought anyone that was any good. - He was losing to Judah before his uncle Roger stepped in and choked Zab - He actually lost to ODLH and got a gift split decision - Victor Ortiz was well on his way to KOing Floyd until he sucker punched him - He can't sell PPV's, it's really the opponents and undercards.:wank: the list goes on and on........whenever Floyd takes a clean shot it's the biggest talking point of the entire fight, and not the fact the other guy ultimately got his ass whipped. The level of stupidity and utter ridiculousness of the arguments his detractors put forward is testament to the fact that he is in fact not underrated.

yeah and I find it stupid. He is ranked #1, at the very top of the food chain and you will say that he is underrated? Is there a rank higher than that? Like a God or an almighty being? He earned that rank. But that's all it is. A rank. It's clear you struggle with simple English. Once again, what I meant is, people underrate his actual ability, technical skills, and what he's capable of. They all say he's a good fighter, but don't realise how special a fighter he is.

LOL Mayweather is Underrated, but he is the current P4P king? The #1 best fighter in the world? What kind of brain do you have? Did you even read the article, you simpleton?

I know. That was my point. Your best offering was to use emoticons because you know that anything else would be judged by your understanding of the subject matter, and your ability to articulate your opposing views. It was a safe play to use emoticons because no one can compete with that level of stupidity. In that regard, you are very crafty, my friend. Carry on. Hey stop bullying the pactards, they're insecure enough as it is :)

Like many boxers before him, never reached full potential. But isnt underated. Unless you consider being behind Pac is to underate him.

Thanks, dude. And I appreciate the reference to "El Chacal." lol Ya tu sabes my man. Real recognize real.

LOL Mayweather is Underrated, but he is the current P4P king? The #1 best fighter in the world? What kind of brain do you have? lol Good point. But I think the TS was implying that Floyd ought to get credit on a larger scale, like on a GOAT, Ali, "Sugar" Ray Robinson level.

Not only that, but Welter's the most historically stacked division in boxing history (no disrespect to Middle and Lightweight meant). Poet I remember there was a similar thread some time ago, "What is the most historically prestigious weight-class in boxing?" I think I said welterweight, but some guys made good arguments for lightweight and middleweight. The idea that a modern P4P fighter should automatically get preferential treatment over the ATGs is misguided. The same can be said in reverse. But the old-timers earned their place in history, have had their legacies examined under a microscope (for decades in some cases) and are the universally acknowledged "crème de la crème." We're supposed to overlook that because Floyd looks good to modern eyes and hasn't had the good-fortune (or perhaps he is fortunate) to be tested against worthy opposition? Pardon the colloquialism, but GTFOH....

It was couple of years ago in the Fantasy Fights section. Gavilan was great fighter who seems to always get left out of the Welter discussions. Poet Gotcha. Kid Gavilan was a beast! Very hard to tell if he could have pulled a W vs PBF. One thing about fighters in those days is the consistency at which they wanted to keep proving themselves great; regardless of who they were fighting. It wasn't all about money then.

BTW, I once pointed out that the guy in your avatar would given Floyd fits and the nuthuggers went apesh1t :cool9: Poet Man, I must of missed it. Gavilan probably would've gave Floyd a run for his 'Money', I dunno man. Matching up past and present boxers has never been my forte. It was couple of years ago in the Fantasy Fights section. Gavilan was great fighter who seems to always get left out of the Welter discussions. Poet The "Keed" is often cited as a top-ten all-time welterweight, along with fellow Cuban Jose Napoles. I've seen some footage of him, but my knowledge is generally limited to what I've read. "Gavilan's" reputation rests mostly on his (losing) performances versus the consensus GOAT "Sugar" Ray Robinson and his defeats of several other ATGs. He fought (by today's standards) at an absurd rate, fighting well past his prime and incurring unnecessary losses. As for what I've seen, Gerardo González (the "Kid's" real name) was one tough hombre. For such a colorful guy, "Gavilan" was a real warrior. Whether a fighter's from the fifties, thirties, eighties or today, if he's considered top-ten, Floyd would have trouble. You're talking about a distillation of the greatest fighters in an old, revered sport. Mayweather is great, but any discussion featuring him and an acknowledged ATG is open for heated debate.

Objectivity at its finest... :beerchug: "La calidad es calidad" Thanks, dude. And I appreciate the reference to "El Chacal." lol

BTW, I once pointed out that the guy in your avatar would given Floyd fits and the nuthuggers went apesh1t :cool9: Poet Man, I must of missed it. Gavilan probably would've gave Floyd a run for his 'Money', I dunno man. Matching up past and present boxers has never been my forte.

I stated that there were other examples of fighters that could beat Floyd, but I limited my choices to just a couple of ATGs I'm very familiar with. I did this for the sake of brevity and to stick to the topic at hand: whether Floyd is overrated or not. I qualified my comments by specifying that Duran beats Mayweather at "135". Roberto is generally considered to be the greatest lightweight of all time. He lost one fight at that weight and avenged it. "Manos de Piedra" won several fights at 147, including a classic against Ray Leonard, before losing only his second fight against the very same ATG. Roberto was 71-1 at the outset of the second match. Leonard was at least as fast as Floyd, comparably skilled and probably hit harder. Beyond that, Ray is a winner. There are men in all walks of life that always seem to find a way to overcome and win. "Sugar" is one of them. We can argue all day long as to who is/was better, but there's something you will never be able to say: "Floyd Mayweather has a better resume than 'Sugar' Ray Leonard." I agree, Floyd will never have the chances at glory that Ray did, but the fact remains.... I didn't mention Hearns and I won't get into that comparison for the reasons already cited. Hagler was a career middleweight. Enough said. Where do you get the notion that I believe "competition from other eras was stiffer and better" and that "old fighters would kill today's fighters"? I never made such assertions, nor even implied them. I merely chose two ATGs from an acknowledged, great fighting era. You yourself used the term "Fab Four," and admit that you hold the old-timers in "high reverence." Should I consider your apparent preference for the younger champions as prejudicial? Do you consider Floyd Mayweather the GOAT, or the greatest welterweight of all time? Objectivity at its finest... :beerchug: "La calidad es calidad"

the guy is a sure HOF & a certified boxoffice attraction... i dont think he is being underrated...

And landed in the cheap seats..... If you call "landing" hitting the back of an empty seat and exploding into countless fragments, yes....

I doubt that any of the Fab 4 would have beaten Floyd in a round robin. Duran was great but lost nearly every time he stepped up to the best of his day and even then sometimes against those who weren't the best of his day. The Laing fight comes to mind. Also too many unavenged losses. Tommy Hearns was a dynamite puncher but had trouble landing dynamite against the best of the best. His defeat by the limited Hagler exposed Hearns' own limitations. As I said in a different post, being great in ONE ASPECT doesn't make you great ALL AROUND. Another one with unavenged losses. Hagler was the MW version of Joe Frazier. I don't see Floyd having ANY problems with Hagler after watching what Willie Monroe did to him. Hell, even Ray Leonard was able to steal rounds after he was finished as a top fighter. You've got to be kidding. Ray Leonard, as I've said before, is probably thee most talented of the four. Still, there is nothing that Ray could do that Mayweather doesn't aside from shoe-shining. Ray wasted a lot of punches and Floyd jr is 100 times the counter puncher that his father was. Floyd jr is more accurate that Ray was and he is in much better shape. Down the stretch conditioning would IMO have played a huge role. I have seen Ray Leonard tired. No one has EVER seen Floyd Mayweather tired. None of these guys has moved up as much as Floyd has and remained undefeated doing it against #1 & 2 competition. In your minds, competition from other eras was stiffer and better. Truth is though, in EVERY sport the medicine, training methods and technology gets better and more advanced. Therefore so do the athletes. Only those who hold nostalgia as the scale to be weighed on say such foolish things like "old fighters would kill today's fighters". Get real. I hold the golden era's fighters in high reverence as well, but I don't delude myself into believing that they are better than the methods that they were trained under. What they did and how they trained may have seemed more gritty and therefore more "badasss", but its hardly the way to gauge the gap between today's fighters and yesterday's stars. Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Kostya Tszyu and Ricardo Lopez would have taken the Fabulous Four a lot easier than some of your are willing to admit. That's another post though. I think Floyd would beat Duran and I feel a fight with Sugar Ray Leonard would be competitive. Hearns is all kinds of ugly for Floyd and Hagler would steam roll him.

Yes i remember Hernandez mostly for quitting against DLH. Castillo i remember as the man who lost to Hatton and beat Floyd in the first fight. I find posts like this disrespectful. This is the problem with hatred it spreads to fighters who deserve the utmost respect for their contribution to the sport. There is no need for you to belittle the commitment made by Castillo or Hernandez.

Pac is the only guy I think that has a good chance of beating him. Floyd is a very skilled fighter. The Hatton fight was my favorite of Floyds fights, I really enjoyed that one.

tommy hearns would knock his head off. If the "Motor City Cobra" caught Floyd the way Mosley did in the second round of their fight, I have no doubt Mayweather's head would've rocketed off his shoulders.

I doubt that any of the Fab 4 would have beaten Floyd in a round robin. Duran was great but lost nearly every time he stepped up to the best of his day and even then sometimes against those who weren't the best of his day. The Laing fight comes to mind. Also too many unavenged losses. Tommy Hearns was a dynamite puncher but had trouble landing dynamite against the best of the best. His defeat by the limited Hagler exposed Hearns' own limitations. As I said in a different post, being great in ONE ASPECT doesn't make you great ALL AROUND. Another one with unavenged losses. Hagler was the MW version of Joe Frazier. I don't see Floyd having ANY problems with Hagler after watching what Willie Monroe did to him. Hell, even Ray Leonard was able to steal rounds after he was finished as a top fighter. You've got to be kidding. Ray Leonard, as I've said before, is probably thee most talented of the four. Still, there is nothing that Ray could do that Mayweather doesn't aside from shoe-shining. Ray wasted a lot of punches and Floyd jr is 100 times the counter puncher that his father was. Floyd jr is more accurate that Ray was and he is in much better shape. Down the stretch conditioning would IMO have played a huge role. I have seen Ray Leonard tired. No one has EVER seen Floyd Mayweather tired. None of these guys has moved up as much as Floyd has and remained undefeated doing it against #1 & 2 competition. In your minds, competition from other eras was stiffer and better. Truth is though, in EVERY sport the medicine, training methods and technology gets better and more advanced. Therefore so do the athletes. Only those who hold nostalgia as the scale to be weighed on say such foolish things like "old fighters would kill today's fighters". Get real. I hold the golden era's fighters in high reverence as well, but I don't delude myself into believing that they are better than the methods that they were trained under. What they did and how they trained may have seemed more gritty and therefore more "badasss", but its hardly the way to gauge the gap between today's fighters and yesterday's stars. Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Kostya Tszyu and Ricardo Lopez would have taken the Fabulous Four a lot easier than some of your are willing to admit. That's another post though. tommy hearns would knock his head off. If the "Motor City Cobra" caught Floyd the way Mosley did in the second round of their fight, I have no doubt Mayweather's head would've rocketed off his shoulders.