If Pacquaio isnt at a disadvantage, it isnt a fair fight!

Ortiz weighed 164 on fight night against Floyd. Baldomir weighed 162 on fight night against Floyd. Does that mean they were middleweights? Ummmm. Yes! If you're opponent weighs 160+lbs when its time to fight, then he's a MW.

He was on fight night against Pac. Fact! He weighed 163lbs. If Pac were to have a 17lbs advantage on fight night against a LWW, are u too then going to say "And?" I highly doubt it! LOL. Ortiz weighed 164 on fight night against Floyd. Baldomir weighed 162 on fight night against Floyd. Does that mean they were middleweights?

You are forgetting his demand of the most extreme catchweight of all: Oscar DelaHoya That was the win that really put Manny Pacquiao's career on the map. He was already exciting, but he was really no star at that point. When he defeated DLH, despite him coming in bigger than DLH on fight night, he created the perception of being some "giant killer". DLH hadn't competed at anything less than 147lbs in 7 years. Roach knows that you can beat a fighter before they ever step into the ring by beating them on the scales, but obviously you pretend to know of no such thing, Hugh Grant. As I said, get a grip. My current signature says it all about Pacquiao: Asking for catchweights is an admission of inadequacy. Demanding that an opponent cut weight is the equivalent of saying "I can't win without help". No matter how YOU try to spin it, catchweights do nothing but express a lack of heart and confidence. Manny Pacquiao is 2" shorter than both Mayweather and Mosley. He is easily a WW. The only reason he asked for weight stipulations was because he didn't think that he could win without them. Remember what Freddie Roach originally said: "We would fight Shane Mosley if he's open to a catchweight of 142lbs". This for a guy(Mosley) who had a year earlier been campaigning as a jrMW! If that wasn't pathetic enough, Pacquiao then went up to fight Margarito for a vacant 154lb belt ... despite him supposedly being too small to fight in legitimate WW matches. Its double talk and hypocrisy. Some of you just don't like how it tastes. Wasnt it Oscar who asked for the fight at 147?

for someone who has as many post as you your an idiot. know the facts when pacquiao was ask to fight dela hoya. pacman was still a 135lb fighter. dela hoya made him jump two weight classes. they fought at 147 lbs at the request of dela hoya its not a catchweight fight. it was a welterweight fight. not as bad as floyd fighting 2 lbs overweight against marquez after he made marquez jump two weight classes. know your facts.

You are forgetting his demand of the most extreme catchweight of all: Oscar DelaHoya That was the win that really put Manny Pacquiao's career on the map. He was already exciting, but he was really no star at that point. When he defeated DLH, despite him coming in bigger than DLH on fight night, he created the perception of being some "giant killer". DLH hadn't competed at anything less than 147lbs in 7 years. Roach knows that you can beat a fighter before they ever step into the ring by beating them on the scales, but obviously you pretend to know of no such thing, Hugh Grant. As I said, get a grip. My current signature says it all about Pacquiao: Asking for catchweights is an admission of inadequacy. Demanding that an opponent cut weight is the equivalent of saying "I can't win without help". No matter how YOU try to spin it, catchweights do nothing but express a lack of heart and confidence. Manny Pacquiao is 2" shorter than both Mayweather and Mosley. He is easily a WW. The only reason he asked for weight stipulations was because he didn't think that he could win without them. Remember what Freddie Roach originally said: "We would fight Shane Mosley if he's open to a catchweight of 142lbs". This for a guy(Mosley) who had a year earlier been campaigning as a jrMW! If that wasn't pathetic enough, Pacquiao then went up to fight Margarito for a vacant 154lb belt ... despite him supposedly being too small to fight in legitimate WW matches. Its double talk and hypocrisy. Some of you just don't like how it tastes. Not very succint are you? So DLH also was insecure about fighting Pac so he asked Pac move to 147 as he didnt fancy fighting Pac at 140 you could say? DLH believed he would beat Pac at 147 as DLH had fought there before believe it or not, even if not for many years. Requesting Pac fight at 147 was an admission from DLH that he didnt fancy Pac at his best weight of 140. 147 is a weight they were both happy with so dont put the blame on Pac? The TS is correct, people try to blame Pac and expect Pac to have his hands tied up before haters consider it a fair fight. My advice is if you get in the ring with Pac, just try and perform.

When all is said and done Pac has asked for a CW twice, once against Cotto and Margarito. Not as bad as peopple make out is it? But Floyd just dont fight and stays at 147, yet wont fight the best 147 guy in Pac. Yes Floyds going up to 154 now, well done, but so has Cotto gone up first. So Floyd dont deserve a medal for doing what cotto has done and for beating Pacs leftovers. Floyds scared he'll turn to stone if he verntures above 154. Someone told Floyd he wont, so now he is reluctantly moving up again, probably to avoid Pac.

No its not you imbecile... if Pac fighting @ 147 is such a strain how come he didn't even want Marquez @ 140 if going by your logic it would've benefited both fighters? Read between the lines buddy. Well going all the way down to 140 and then coming up to 147 for floyd dont seem to smart really. Pacs scientifically got himself up to 147 for Floyd, so why go all the way down there and do it again.? Pac wants Floyd so no need for Pac to play to JMMs tune, JMM was the desperate one for the fight. Dont Pac being the main man get himself any privileges? 144 seems like a good deal for JMM from where im standing. Floyd has messed about too much now. Stop the talking and do it. He is already making excuses fighting Cotto at 154, and he should sign to fight Sergio at 154 no questions asked.

conveniently ignoring the fact that Pac is smaller than Floyd and in fact Pac fighting at 147 is akin to floyd fighting at 154. Floyd is the one who takes long breaks and then makes excuses 154 is too big for me and dont take Sergio at 154 when there is a great opportunity to put on a great fight and be involved in a great fight before he retires for real this time. And not just pretend to retire to avoid Cotto and Margarito before. Lets face it retiring when you know full well its not for good, you arre up to games and no good. No its not you imbecile... if Pac fighting @ 147 is such a strain how come he didn't even want Marquez @ 140 if going by your logic it would've benefited both fighters? Read between the lines buddy.

conveniently ignoring the fact that Pac is smaller than Floyd and in fact Pac fighting at 147 is akin to floyd fighting at 154. Floyd is the one who takes long breaks and then makes excuses 154 is too big for me and dont take Sergio at 154 when there is a great opportunity to put on a great fight and be involved in a great fight before he retires for real this time. And not just pretend to retire to avoid Cotto and Margarito before. Lets face it retiring when you know full well its not for good, you arre up to games and no good.

People do realize pac is the true p4p king, so they expect him to move up and down like a yo yo. The standards they place on Pac is higher than mere mortals like Floyd Floyd cant move up to 154 without kicking up a fuss and acting like a diva and he cant move down to 140. Its like he is cemented to the spot like he is in quicksand and cant move. He will turn to stone if he ventures away from 147 Umm he did and is doing so again. Pacquiao is the one who needed the catchweight hence, making a fuss and acting like a diva

People do realize pac is the true p4p king, so they expect him to move up and down like a yo yo. The standards they place on Pac is higher than mere mortals like Floyd Floyd cant move up to 154 without kicking up a fuss and acting like a diva and he cant move down to 140. Its like he is cemented to the spot like he is in quicksand and cant move. He will turn to stone if he ventures away from 147 im lost here this is Floyds second time fighting for a title at the full 154 against a current champion...Manny demanded 150 for a vacant title and wont leave 147 either..its always a damn catchweight.**** you talking about??

People do realize pac is the true p4p king, so they expect him to move up and down like a yo yo. The standards they place on Pac is higher than mere mortals like Floyd Floyd cant move up to 154 without kicking up a fuss and acting like a diva and he cant move down to 140. Its like he is cemented to the spot like he is in quicksand and cant move. He will turn to stone if he ventures away from 147

You double standard pactards, how is 140 vs Marquez a disadvantage for Pacquiao? After all you guys claim Pac is a natural JWW. And the catchweight thing, he has won catchweight titles - these aren't just ordinary fights. His belt @ 154 is a joke against a joke opponent.

If Pacquaio's opponent isnt at a disadvantage, it isnt a fair fight! Fixed the title for you.

If Pacquaio's opponent isnt at a disadvantage, it isnt a fair fight! Fixed the title for you.

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I don't care. It's unofficial weight and should be treated as such. If you can make 147, you're a welterweight. If you can make 154, you're a light middleweight and so on. Someone shouldn't get extra credit for a win because they guy weighed more on fight night. I'm not here to argue whether a guy should get extra points for beating a guy bigger than him. That's another argument for another day. However, fight night weight helps a lot. Why do you think guys like Clottey, Margarito, Chavez Jr. and others are able to walk through so many punches, and take so much punishment? When you rehydrated 17-20lbs above your weight class, your punch resistance increases tremendously. Ask any fighter and they will tell you that is an advantage, both mentally and physically.

You're comparing a fighter who never made 147 in a decade to a guy who hadn't made 147 in a year. One younger, and one older. Bad comparison. Margarito went to 154 because Pac needed another title and that's where Cotto was. It's all part of Arum's plan, he's too transparent these days. At least he used to sneaky. Not comparing , just trying to explain Margos weight issues and how 150 at the time was really weight draining , but thats the only reason Pac forces them down , to weaken them , I was surprised Manny would demand another CW from Cotto , you would think with all the talk of weight draining Team Pac would know that the world is on to his draining scam , and then not only duck Cotto without a CW but thens run back down to the other end of the scale pick a 140 fighter , it just annoys me in how manipulating Manny is !

Because Arum needed an expensive pinata for his prize pigs Pac and Cotto to beat up on for bogus titles. Not really , Margo was out for 2 years he killed himself to make WW earlier but that was his advantage to be as big as he could at 147 , with the lay off and aging you gain weight and what you gain is very hard to remove from an athlete , and once its put on , it gets locked into your system when you train hard at a higher weight , Margos last fight after the 2 yrs off was at 154 ,,, Margo could never have made 147 without fainting on the scales , he would have been as screwed as ODH was needing IV fluids , at the time of the Pac fight 150 was weight draining for Margo , notice Cotto wanted the Margo rematch at 150 , he knew , but so did Margo who said no way !

Because Arum needed an expensive pinata for his prize pigs Pac and Cotto to beat up on for bogus titles. Explain yourself.