alot of comparisons are being made between donaire moving up through the weights like pacquiao but he just doesn't have the endearing qualities of someone like manny to become a real star i believe
there's something about him that isn't particular likeable can't put my finger on it
i respect garcia as a trainer aswell but his camp are full of scumbags like margarito and rios maybe that is rubbing off on donaire who i see becoming increasingly arrogant and unlikeable
like what was with all the mock roy jones moves last night?
i think he was surprised at how vasquez was able to take his punches and even when he got buzzed couple times donaire couldn't get him out of there so he resorted to taunting to try and get him to trade with him more
he's talented no doubt but he is no pacquiao or naseem hamed thats for sure
let's see him in there with guys like chris john or gamboa before we say he's top p4p fighter right now i just don't see it
You have def only seen 1 or 2 fights of both Rigo and Donaire.
Look at Donaires entire career and then look at Rigo's. I dont think Rigo has ever had an entertaining fight even if youre a fan or "pure boxing".
i've seen pretty much everything that's exists of rigondeaux, i'm even helping promote a documentary about him so yeah, about "1 or 2 fights"... how many you seen? hmm.
donaire, i haven't watched more than about 8 or 9 of his, and mostly just the ones i'd heard were meant to be good. don't really rate him that much.
the only one i particularly enjoyed was against raúl martínez, he boxed well and landed hard, though martínez's defence was full of holes. exciting though and good from donaire.
i don't watch that much of him because i'm not that impressed. i'll keep an eye out but that's about it.
You do know Donaire has fought other fighters besides Monite and Vic right? His wins over Marquez, Martinez, Mthlane, Sydorenko, are just as good or even better than Ward in between wins. Donaire has the better resume.
Montiel weighed more than Donaire did on fight night. And, not by 1 or 2 pounds. But, like 8 to 10 pounds. Donaire got the P-Will syndrome it seems he is very all. But, we don't have height classes we have weight-classes.
also narvaez was a good win too...2 division champ and was undefeated.
Why do people feel the need to make ignorant comments that they obviously know nothing about?
I mean, seriously, why do it?
It's so obvious that some posters in this thread know nothing of Donaires career.
I'll never understand the need to make comments on things they know nothing about on this site.
you really think that flomo fool knows who those guys are?
i know you know he doesn't, its just funny though.
:lol1:, I don't know what he knows.
But, I find it funny that people act as if Donaire has only fought 2 solid fighters with the rest being bums. While fighting at 1 weight-class and everyone else is moving up to fight him.
Youre blowing up the Montiel fight too much. Thats your problem.
Montiel has been on his way out. The hasegawa win was his last hurrah. Similar to Rico Ramos losing every round to Shimoda then scoring a KO, That was Montiel vs Hasegawa.
Take Maidanas wins over Cayo, Morales and Victor Ortiz... alll guys his own size.
Ward beating a favorite in Kessler and then a prime Froch? Dominate Glen Johnson and AA and Sakio Bika? ****s on Donaire 2 greatet hits. All guys his own size too. No one made one complaint that Ward is fighting undersized guys. They say that all the time about Nonito.
Khans been fighting more live guys than Nonito, not even close.
Donaire more skill than Mares? FAIL.
Abner was a Mexican Olympian with a win over Juanma.
Donaires AM career has a loss to Viloria.
I woould have to say that Abner has that talent, its just harder to show when your not pitted against midget after midget.
Nice try though:nutkick:
You know what your problem is? You think you know of what you speak of.
There was no signs of slippage to Montiel prior to fighting Donaire.
Donaire has fought in what now is 4 different weight-classes. We have weight-classes not height classes.
You counting Ward whole resume. Do the same for Donaire. He has other wins then just Montiel and Vic.
And, even then obviously you missed my point of if you take the 2 greatest wins of any fighter. :pat:
Floyd in the amateurs lost to Martin Castillo
Berto in the amateurs beat Bradley and Dirrell
Therefor Berto is more skilled than Floyd.
Amateur has nothing to do with the pro game. Even if you're a skilled amateur doesn't mean you will be a top skilled bro. And, if you're a skilled pro doesn't mean you were skilled amateur.
The only time amateur career should be brought up to the pro game. Is when talking about if the particular fighter needs to step or have time to develop.
Nice try though :nutkick:
You do know Donaire has fought other fighters besides Monite and Vic right? His wins over Marquez, Martinez, Mthlane, Sydorenko, are just as good or even better than Ward in between wins. Donaire has the better resume.
Montiel weighed more than Donaire did on fight night. And, not by 1 or 2 pounds. But, like 8 to 10 pounds. Donaire got the P-Will syndrome it seems he is very all. But, we don't have height classes we have weight-classes.
you really think that flomo fool knows who those guys are?
i know you know he doesn't, its just funny though.
maybe on paper but look how big Donaire was compared to Montiel he had all the advantages even though it was Nonito that was coming up in weight
ward has in between beating kessler and froch beaten green, bika and abraham all are top competition well maybe not green
khan's is debatable yes but since becoming champion ever other fight has been against guys that at least have something they bring to the table that may cause him problems
and maidana is a warrior yeah ok he ain't that great a boxer but he seems to me like a guy that will fight anyone anywherw anytime
i believe Donaire don't want it with certain fighters or maybe i should say top rank don't
they put guys infront of him that they know he can knock out the last two guys have changed the script slightly and i think shown that if you have a half decent defense you at least survive getting ko'd like many who have fought nonito have
You do know Donaire has fought other fighters besides Monite and Vic right? His wins over Marquez, Martinez, Mthlane, Sydorenko, are just as good or even better than Ward in between wins. Donaire has the better resume.
Montiel weighed more than Donaire did on fight night. And, not by 1 or 2 pounds. But, like 8 to 10 pounds. Donaire got the P-Will syndrome it seems he is very all. But, we don't have height classes we have weight-classes.
well on the basis of not looking at it as a "casual fan", if we're looking at actual skills, technique, tactics, intelligence then who is the quality fighter- or to put it another way which one is the choice of the connoisseur?
donaire "i don't know what to do now so i'll pretend to be naz"
or rigondeaux?
maybe i'm taking it to the opposite extreme there but donaire isn't particularly entertaining except when he does conjure up a crazy ko, and he certainly isn't a refined fighter of any sort.
You have def only seen 1 or 2 fights of both Rigo and Donaire.
Look at Donaires entire career and then look at Rigo's. I dont think Rigo has ever had an entertaining fight even if youre a fan or "pure boxing".
i don't agree that he places his shots well, which is no doubt why he hurt his hand- there was more than one occasion where he was bouncing his hand off vasquez's temple from a big daft swing, which isn't that bright an idea.
and the eating punches thing isn't a great idea either.
he certainly has talent and physical qualities but i wouldn't call him a technical fighter personally.
In regards to his offense, that was one fight at a new weight he's adjusting to. Judging by his other fights, I'd say he picks and places his punches very well, technically sound offensively, just needs to be more dynamic.
Are you seriously giving an argument that Rigo is more entertaining then Donaire?
well on the basis of not looking at it as a "casual fan", if we're looking at actual skills, technique, tactics, intelligence then who is the quality fighter- or to put it another way which one is the choice of the connoisseur?
donaire "i don't know what to do now so i'll pretend to be naz"
or rigondeaux?
maybe i'm taking it to the opposite extreme there but donaire isn't particularly entertaining except when he does conjure up a crazy ko, and he certainly isn't a refined fighter of any sort.
Nonito is dope, his wife on the other hand needs to keep her trap shut. I wonder how far Garcia can take Nonito...
People keep saying he should go to Freddie Roach but I disagree, IMO Roach needs to retire after he is done with Pac and Khan. His condition is start to show more and more and its kinda sad.
I'm not saying he's Mayweather or anything crazy like that but he is pretty technical when it comes to his offense. You don't really see him charging in there throwing a 1000 punches a round hoping to catch his opponent offguard. He places his punches pretty well, although, his offense needs to be a bit more dynamic in order to open up his opponent further. I do agree that he tends to eat punches in order to open up his opponent, that's something he needs to work on but the talent is there, without a doubt.
You also have to take into consideration that lastnight was his first fight at 122
i don't agree that he places his shots well, which is no doubt why he hurt his hand- there was more than one occasion where he was bouncing his hand off vasquez's temple from a big daft swing, which isn't that bright an idea.
and the eating punches thing isn't a great idea either.
he certainly has talent and physical qualities but i wouldn't call him a technical fighter personally.
Speakk for yourself. Donaire is far more likeable than Pacman IMO. He can speak for himself. He dosn't always say "talk to my promoter". He doesn't cherrypick. I mean you name it & Donaire is better. Pacman is a cancer to boxing but somehow gets a pass for everything he does. Donaire doesn't need passes. He fights his way through it, broken hand & all.
i wouldn't consider myself a casual fan but i found his style quite un-entertaining. he try to blast out his opponent, it's mostly obvious from a mile off so his opponent gets defensive and then...
yeah runs out of ideas so continues along the same lines but starts to get hit here and there. it is pretty dull.
i can see people argue something similar about rigondeaux but he doesn't run out of ideas, he's just biding his time and showing unbelievably good defence in the meantime. and at no point does he try to look like a half arsed version of jones jr, or naz. la calidad es la calidad. not quite sure what donaire's catchphrase should be...
Are you seriously giving an argument that Rigo is more entertaining then Donaire?
maybe i'm getting the wrong end of the stick here- but are you calling donaire technical?
I'm not saying he's Mayweather or anything crazy like that but he is pretty technical when it comes to his offense. You don't really see him charging in there throwing a 1000 punches a round hoping to catch his opponent offguard. He places his punches pretty well, although, his offense needs to be a bit more dynamic in order to open up his opponent further. I do agree that he tends to eat punches in order to open up his opponent, that's something he needs to work on but the talent is there, without a doubt.
You also have to take into consideration that lastnight was his first fight at 122
Bro, Nonito is good. I am not denying that.But he isn't PPV material yet.I dunno if he will ever be with that kind of performance.I am just being honest.
OP asked a question.I just offered an idea.He has to be more marketable. Look, Floyd can sell fights, he's a business man. This is what lacking with Donaire and why he is not a star.
They will go back to the drawing board to see what they can come up with.So stay tune.Hand problems may sideline Nonito for another long period of time.Bummer! I think he will have another long vacation.
Once Pac retires, the fans of Pac will convert to Nonito fans.. Donaire is still living in the shadows of Pac.. He will be appreciated more once Pac retires...
and if you're issues is with technical fighters instead of brawlers, than that's your problem, not Donaire's.
maybe i'm getting the wrong end of the stick here- but are you calling donaire technical?
That's obviously a casual fan. What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.
i wouldn't consider myself a casual fan but i found his style quite un-entertaining. he try to blast out his opponent, it's mostly obvious from a mile off so his opponent gets defensive and then...
yeah runs out of ideas so continues along the same lines but starts to get hit here and there. it is pretty dull.
i can see people argue something similar about rigondeaux but he doesn't run out of ideas, he's just biding his time and showing unbelievably good defence in the meantime. and at no point does he try to look like a half arsed version of jones jr, or naz. la calidad es la calidad. not quite sure what donaire's catchphrase should be...