Donaire is the new Diego Corrales (RIP): he beats up smaller guys with ease (Darchinyan, Montiel,....), but once he moves up in weight and fights guys his own size, it's GAME OVER.
I didn't score the Donaire-Vazquez fight, but I felt Vazquez was landing the cleaner shots almost the whole fight. F*ck the silly HBO commentary and f*ck compubox punch stats, cause that is a load of bullsh*t lots of times. I didn't see Donaire landing all those punches in this fight, actually he didn't land sh*t 99 per cent of the time.
I felt Vazquez won the fight, or a draw would be okay too. I'm not mexican, I'm just telling it how it is.
Donaire fighting with his hands down and looking for countershots works only against smaller guys who can't touch him with their jabs. Once he fights a guy who has the same height and reach, Donaire gets punches in the face all night long (as seen in this fight).
your thoughts on this?
I think judges should have to explain why the score each individual round the way they do. Some of these guys need to be put under a microscope.
They really should, i mean the fight was nowhere close. Even having a close scorecard is absurd but a 3 point win for WV2 is criminal
I think judges should have to explain why the score each individual round the way they do. Some of these guys need to be put under a microscope.
Judges would need to wear a video camera so there is record of what they see, just watching the tv footages isn't enough because the angles are different so in any one fight there can be weird coincidences because the sample size is just one fight.
Video cameras are light and cheap now though
I'm still very impressed with Donaire. Only problem I really saw was him not moving out of the way from WV2's jab. the defense, when he wanted to show it, was nice, His countering was on point and he fought with a broken hand. A great showing, IMO and no, WV2 wasn't even in the fight.. How in the hell did you have donaire losing?
Bu bu bu bu but that one judge had it 115-112 for Vasquez, therefore he lost!!!
I think judges should have to explain why the score each individual round the way they do. Some of these guys need to be put under a microscope.
Well, I also hate Donaire when he goes southpaw.He hasn't KTFO anybody of note as a southpaw.He hurt Vasquez in the 3rd as orthodox after show boating and then throwing a left hook.Now why the **** did he switch southpaw? he doesn't power as a southpaw.Another flaw that they need to go to the drawing board and correct.
Wasn't it his right hand he hurt? That may have been part of the reason he switched to southpaw.
He won at least 8 rounds, plus he had the knock down. Wtf are you even talking about?
Bu bu bu bu but that one judge had it 115-112 for Vasquez, therefore he lost!!!
when I said "Game over" I meant that the fight is suddenly even when he fights at a higher weight class against guys his own size. and when he moves up to 126 and fights a guy like Gamboa it is REALLY game over cause Gamboa would win this one pretty easily.
He won at least 8 rounds, plus he had the knock down. Wtf are you even talking about?
Considering he fights southpaw only 1% of the time, i woudnt expect him to KO anybody
Its all for showboating and getting WV2 to open up
Yep.I don't like it one bit.His power is a left hook and uppercut.You can't throw a left hook as a southpaw effectively.His punch is a left hook when he hurts his opponent with that he should stay left foot forward, right foot back, PERIOD!
Well, I also hate Donaire when he goes southpaw.He hasn't KTFO anybody of note as a southpaw.He hurt Vasquez in the 3rd as orthodox after show boating and then throwing a left hook.Now why the **** did he switch southpaw? he doesn't power as a southpaw.Another flaw that they need to go to the drawing board and correct.
Considering he fights southpaw only 1% of the time, i woudnt expect him to KO anybody
Its all for showboating and getting WV2 to open up
Yes it was something nice to see, those really quick punches rather then the loading up punches he usually throws
Well, I also hate Donaire when he goes southpaw.He hasn't KTFO anybody of note as a southpaw.He hurt Vasquez in the 3rd as orthodox after show boating and then throwing a left hook.Now why the **** did he switch southpaw? he doesn't power as a southpaw.Another flaw that they need to go to the drawing board and correct.
yeah donaire's face seems to swell easily...but lets not forget that vazquez jr is a hard puncher as well.
He has one of the worst skins in boxing. And he is but he was just popping jabs in the forst four round and the swelling was bad by then
Yes i think its a very big concern too. WV2 was only popping jabs and while jabs do that, his face was beginning to get marked up by like the 2nd round.
yeah donaire's face seems to swell easily...but lets not forget that vazquez jr is a hard puncher as well.
I like the combo the 12th that came out of nowhere never seen that from the Flash.
Yes it was something nice to see, those really quick punches rather then the loading up punches he usually throws
Thats a real concern for Donaire! It doenst take much punches and his eyes swell up Bigtime like he went to war for 12 rounds in there! And vasquez was only touching him up with his jab!
Yes i think its a very big concern too. WV2 was only popping jabs and while jabs do that, his face was beginning to get marked up by like the 2nd round.
Donaire is the new Diego Corrales (RIP): he beats up smaller guys with ease (Darchinyan, Montiel,....), but once he moves up in weight and fights guys his own size, it's GAME OVER.
I didn't score the Donaire-Vazquez fight, but I felt Vazquez was landing the cleaner shots almost the whole fight. F*ck the silly HBO commentary and f*ck compubox punch stats, cause that is a load of bullsh*t lots of times. I didn't see Donaire landing all those punches in this fight, actually he didn't land sh*t 99 per cent of the time.
I felt Vazquez won the fight, or a draw would be okay too. I'm not mexican, I'm just telling it how it is.
Donaire fighting with his hands down and looking for countershots works only against smaller guys who can't touch him with their jabs. Once he fights a guy who has the same height and reach, Donaire gets punches in the face all night long (as seen in this fight).
your thoughts on this?
Jose Luis Castillo wasn't a small guy. He was a big strong lightweight.
I don't get it, he clearly won majority of the rounds and scored a knockdown in a weightclass he's never seen before.
How can you say it's Game Over? Are you the judge who favors Vasquez on the scorecard?
yeah it's pretty incredible the hate donaire is getting lmao....vazquez jr didn't win more than 4 rounds on my scorecard (maybe 5) and yet people are acting as if it's donaire who had lost or gotten a gift decision. plus donaire isn't some 5'7" monster...he's actually only 5'5" 1/2 apparently.
Donaire got his face f'd up pretty bad.
The common thing to say about boxing matches is that, coming out of a fight with a clean face while your opponent looks battered and bruised, doesn't exactly mean the clean guy won. But let me tell you, if I hadn't seen the fight, and Donaire and Vazquez come up to me, and Donaire told me he won, I'd laugh at him and call him a sore loser, cause I'd think WV beat him to a pulp.
Thats a real concern for Donaire! It doenst take much punches and his eyes swell up Bigtime like he went to war for 12 rounds in there! And vasquez was only touching him up with his jab!
Exactly.
He's said in the post fight interview that he'll have to go back to the drawing board and work on things. I was very impressed with his assessment after the fight (most fighters wouldn't say things like that) and he had some decent moments in the fight and considering it was his first fight at 122, he did ok.
I think people should hold off on the writing the guy off until he has a few fights at 122.
But he clearly won the fight. Only you raskat & that idiotic judge saw it any different.
this....that fight was a clear but hotly contested decision.
there is no argument that it should have been a draw or vazquez should have won. impossible.
he is starting to fight fighters close to his own size now and he is not looking so great. its was all good beating little fighters but now we will see how really good doniare really is. iam looking forward to seeing donaire getting koed in the near future:boxing:
You'll have to wait for a while because Vazquez's punches didn't seem to bother Donaire one bit. Donaire's face swells up easy though so I wouldn't be surprised if he were to be stopped because an eye closed against a 126 pounder.