IF Cotto beats Floyd, will Floyd be exposed??

is it horrible for pac to make jmm step up 2 weightclasses? I agree that it is. Same as with Floyd. Just be consistent.

Also after beating DLH, instead of looking for a pat on the back wanting people to say what he did was special instead Floyd claims he cant do that again, 154 isnt his weight and he wont fight Sergio there. Once you beat DLH you cant go backwards, its onwards and upwards. Floyd cant live off of that win forever and he will have to improve on it. It was a competent win, nothing more at that stage of DLHs career. Floyd asking JMM to step up 2 divisions is absolutely horrible, as Floyd is supposed to be a very good fighter. He warned Cortez about hattons dirty tactics before proceeding to elbow hattons within an inch of his life. I cant ignore this. He is trying to make life as easy for himself as he can get away with and he shouldnt be doing this. People have put him on a pedestal of being better than other boxers, so he should get stuck in and get on with it, not look for handouts and help to win his fights. I keep bringing up JMM and Hatton because he hasnt that many fights to choose from with his layoffs.

Doesnt do this often does he? But if DLH gave a journeyman WW the chance to challenge for his 154 title, the journeyman would jump at the chance, so why does Floyd want a bravery award for it, and to extra credit for doing something people would epect of any boxer? There is a saying in boxing, "getting there is the easy bit, staying there is the hard bit" Floyd did take risks when he was a nobody, but when he became a somebody he tried to make life as easy as possible for himself, making the staying there bit as easy as he possibly get away with . Too much negotiating at the table and put things in his favour before even entering the ring. No one was asking a bravery award for anything. But Floyd fighting Cotto at 154 right now is a million times more of a risk than Pac fighting Margarito at 150, and it's not even close. Cotto is past his prime-still good, said this since 2009. He's basically the same guy he was in 09, just at 154 now. His reflexes, power, agility, and overall abilities are about the same, and I remeber a s**t load of people on NSB picking Yuri Foreman to beat him. Real talk. Cotto is still good, not prime and never will be since 2008, but still good. And I think you can probably agree with me that it's important for Floyd to get Cotto on his reusme while he's still good. So....what does Floyd put in his favor before entering the ring??? Don't say a drug test and don't say CW, because his only CW was Marquez at 144. And I rightfully called that a C-/C fight when it happened, but seeing that a 2 1/2 years older Marquez just arguably beat Pac at the same weight, I'd say Floyd deserves a little credit for pretty much shutting JMM out. Was it when he fought Ricky Hatton at 147??? Hatton was fighting for his Welterweight title and only the hardcore Floyd haters give him no credit for that fight. Hatton was unbeaten, prime, #8 P4P, coming off good wins. Pretty much the same as Pac fighting Bradley right now, right??? It's just annoying when bias Floyd haters give him no credit about anything, or say "He fought good people from 1998-2003, but since 2004 he has fought no one legit", when it's just an untrue statement. And at the same time, I hate bias Manny haters when they say Pac has never beaten anybody, when he has good wins over Barrera, Morales, Solis, Marquez, Hatton, and Cotto to name some. The only knock I have on Manny is that he hasn't fought a legit fight since Cotto in 09', and his run of Clottey-Margarito-Mosley-Marquez was about as bad as it gets for a guy that is supposedly the king of boxing. It goes both ways and the bias haters of both can't seem to understand that.

So.....then Floyd fighting Oscar at 154 is a risk to you right??? You said fighting in divisions higher than your normal weight, because everyone knows for damn sure that 154 lbs is not Floyd's normal weight. . Doesnt do this often does he? But if DLH gave a journeyman WW the chance to challenge for his 154 title, the journeyman would jump at the chance, so why does Floyd want a bravery award for it, and to get extra credit for doing something people would epect of any boxer? The problem is floyd wants a pat on the back too much and needs too much reassurance, rather than getting on with it and getting stuck in. There is a saying in boxing, "getting there is the easy bit, staying there is the hard bit" Floyd did take risks when he was a nobody, but when he became a somebody he tried to make life as easy as possible for himself, making the staying there bit as easy as he possibly get away with . Too much negotiating at the table and put things in his favour before even entering the ring.

It is for a fighter who fights at 154. It's also for a fighter who fights at 130,135... Don act like moving up from 135 to 147 is easy.

If he is lucky and Cotto beats Floyd it will be the day that a new race will be born. They day all Cotto stans will become Cottards. The day that NSB will be full of PRBOXINGCOTTO, Mr Fantastic and Iceta lives will commit e-suicide, and Pactards will solidified triangle theory. 12/22/2012 will be for real. jejejeje...the Madness!

Anyone who fights regularly is taking a risk. Beating the likes of Barrera, JMM, and Morales is taking a risk as they are better fighters than Floyd has ever fought. Fighting in a division higher than your normal weight is a risk. People who retire when the heats get a bit hot isnt taking risks like floyd.. Asking fighters to step up 2 divisions isnt taking a risk. Fighting in your own country isnt taking a risk. Asking the referee to protect you isnt taking a risk. Not willing to fight someone without a PED isnt taking a risk, not to mention sucka punching people and being happy with that as its in the rule book on a tecnicality. So.....then Floyd fighting Oscar at 154 and Cotto at 154 are risks to you right??? You said fighting in divisions higher than your normal weight, because everyone knows for damn sure that 154 lbs is not Floyd's normal weight. This is the problem with posters on here. They look at the names on certain fighters' resumes, not taking into account when they fought them. Barrera was a great win for Manny, his best, and MAB was coming off wins over Hamed and Morales. And his Morales wins were good wins, but his most overrated as well. Pacquiao only beat Erik after Raheem had schooled him, so yes, they were good wins over Morales, but not the ATG wins his hardcore fans make them out to be. Manny Pacquiao has had a great career, he's an ATG, but he hasn't had any really legit fights since Cotto in 09', and that's the hard truth. Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Marquez, were all looked at as crap fights by unanimously everyone, with the exception of his his most bias fans. If Pac fights Timothy Bradley, it's his first prime opponent since Solis, his best pick since Marquez in 08', and his first really legit fight since Cotto in 09'. And the so called risks that Floyd didn't take, all came at the hands of Top Rank fighters, and he's fighting one of them next while he's still good and at a higher weight. Is it just a coincidence that Margarito and Manny are Top Rank guys, the 2 people Floyd haters can say he hasn't fought or didn't fight? I also find it funny that people are so quick to point out that Floyd didn't fight Margarito and hasn't fought Manny, but then have no response at all when someone brings up the fact that Manny sure refused to fight Raheem when he beat Morales. Or that he sure refused to fight Guzman, who was an unbeaten top LW, in favor of David Diaz. Or that he refused to fight Mosley in 2009-2010 at anything other than 142. Or that he chose to fight Margarito and Mosley, instead of Berto in Late 2010/Early 2011. Or that he chose to fight Marquez at 144 in 2011 instead of Victor Ortiz. It goes both ways, but bias fans of both seem to not understand that. So....Floyd never did anything or took any risks, he never beat anyone. G. Hernandez, Manfredy, Gerena, Corrales, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, Judah, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz......no risks involved at all.

If he is lucky and Cotto beats Floyd it will be the day that a new race will be born. They day all Cotto stans will become Cottards. The day that NSB will be full of PRBOXINGCOTTO, Mr Fantastic and Iceta lives will commit e-suicide, and Pactards will solidified triangle theory. 12/22/2012 will be for real.

I've never heard of it taking 16 years for someone to get exposed Exactly, FMJr. may be a little bit overated by some but as a Cotto fan I give Floyd MAD props! He is good, very good. My boy Miguel is pretty good, and can hold his own. I expect a great fight, and hopefully Cotto will come out: 1. In Superb Shape! 2. Primary, Alternate, Contingency and Emergency Plans! 3. Ready to give it 150% on each of every rounds! Go Cotto W A R ! ! !

yes..he will be exposed the same way Pacquiao was exposed by JMM a few months ago! get em baby :boxing:

Anyone who fights regularly is taking a risk. Beating the likes of Barrera, JMM, and Morales is taking a risk as they are better fighters than Floyd has ever fought. Fighting in a division higher than your normal weight is a risk. People who retire when the heats get a bit hot isnt taking risks like floyd.. Asking fighters to step up 2 divisions isnt taking a risk. Fighting in your own country isnt taking a risk. Asking the referee to protect you isnt taking a risk. Not willing to fight someone without a PED isnt taking a risk, not to mention sucka punching people and being happy with that as its in the rule book on a tecnicality. Has manny came yet you are slurping him so good I swear:bottle:

What risks has Pacquiao taken? Anyone who fights regularly is taking a risk. Beating the likes of Barrera, JMM, and Morales is taking a risk as they are better fighters than Floyd has ever fought. Fighting in a division higher than your normal weight is a risk. People who retire when the heats get a bit hot isnt taking risks like floyd.. Asking fighters to step up 2 divisions isnt taking a risk. Fighting in your own country isnt taking a risk. Asking the referee to protect you isnt taking a risk. Not willing to fight someone without a PED isnt taking a risk, not to mention sucka punching people and being happy with that as its in the rule book on a tecnicality.

Mayweather Jr is already Exposed; His real Character been exposed in Court; His attitude towards Pacman been exposed too: After Pacman agreed to that "Take The Test" He said "I don't need Pacquaio" Then, he called up Pacman and Pac said 50-50 equal sharing; He rejected and offered a 40M flat fee which is not reasonable as Pacman has all the resume to show that he deserves 50-50; Koncz offered a 55-45 with the winner getting 55%; Mayweather jr rejected it and chose to fight Coto! Mayweather Jr is eating his own words by fighting Pacman' left over! Regardless on who wins the fight, Mayweather Jr goes to Jail...

It depends. If Cotto can point to and exploit some weaknesses in Floyd and give a blueprint how to consistently beat him, then yes. But people need to understand how probability and variance works. Even if Cotto comes in and blows Floyd away in 3 rounds to earn a KO, that IS SUPPOSED to happen a small amount of time even if Floyd is a much better fighter. Floyd is only 5/1 in this fight. As such if they fight 6 times he should win 5 and lose 1. (rough odds, i think hes 5/1 but not 100% sure) Pick up a die and see if you can hit a '6'. That's how likely Cotto is to win with the parameters we have available right now.

no ones denying FLoyd is talented even if he loses to Cotto. But he is a fraud in the sense that he hasnt fought often enough and avoided challenges when there were real challenges. Never took risks so he is seen as a fraud. What risks has Pacquiao taken?

I'd have to disagree that he's never taken risks. Fighting Corrales was a risk. Giving up all the advantages when he fought DLH was a risk & there have been a few others I think but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Floyd hasnt done anything, any normal boxer wouldnt be prepared to do, and certainly not often enough, considering his reputation as a talented boxer. Most of his so called risks were when he was trying to make a name for himself, but when he became a somebody in boxing he has plodded along and coasted. The easy part is getting there, the hard bit is staying there supposedly is the saying. He also retired, knowing full well he would return, so was just a token gesture. What game was he actually playing? The avoiding dangerous fighters game is what id call it? Anyone who retires knowing full well they will return is a fraud! He had to retire as the heat was getting too hot in the kitchen and he hoped people would stop pressurinzing him to fight people. If he loses to Cotto, Floyd will be a fraud. A talented fraud at that.

no ones denying FLoyd is talented even if he loses to Cotto. But he is a fraud in the sense that he hasnt fought often enough and avoided challenges when there were real challenges. Never took risks so he is seen as a fraud. I'd have to disagree that he's never taken risks. Fighting Corrales was a risk. Giving up all the advantages when he fought DLH was a risk & there have been a few others I think but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

never understood that term "exposed" when used for pro's in their 30's like pac & floyd and have proven their talents over and over again throughout their careers. exposed is usually a saying for hyped up prospects or protected fighters who are taught a boxing lesson or chin checked by a vet or whatever. smartest post on here. But didn't Floyd fight DLH at 154, so wouldn't this be Floyd's 2nd fight at WW instead of first?

no ones denying FLoyd is talented even if he loses to Cotto. But he is a fraud in the sense that he hasnt fought often enough and avoided challenges when there were real challenges. Never took risks so he is seen as a fraud.

No. Depending on how he loses of course but I think it'll rather be a way to say he is officially past his prime. It is going to happen eventually.