Toughest and also best win is Oscar. He's a HOF.
He was also well past his best and a part-time boxer. Had just come back from a two and a half year hiatus against a fighter that uses his face to block punches.
Oscar's showing against Forbes and Pacquiao shown Oscar's level at that point in his career.
Roach who trained Oscar for that fight, knew he didn't have it anymore and that convinced him that Pacquiao could not lose against Oscar even though he had to come up 3 weights in a year.
I don't know man, I mean I see what you're saying as far as rounds 1-5, but after that the fight was not remotely competitive.
But that fight was more competitive in rounds 1-4 or 5 than anyone else Floyd has fought at 147, or Oscar. And Floyd actually had respect for Judah at all times in the ring, even when he was poised to stop him before the fiasco Judah started.
My opinion, anyway.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I'll say Judah. One of the few times I saw Floyd completely in respect of his opponent at all times.
Oscar was probably the toughest physical challenge, because of the size.
judah absolutely put up the best fight of the guys mentioned on the list
until he slowed down he was beating floyd to the punch
he finished the fight in the same manner as everybody else, though
"fighting floyd mayweather is a cold dose of reality."
crazy as it sounds, the real answer is mosley
he had floyd dead to rights
a few more right hands and he would have been out like a light
but course mayweather survived
and there wasnt any question who won that fight after 12
I said his best win in nearly a decade.
Shane was ready to fight, it's not like he sat idle or was out by an injury. He was getting ready for Berto, and Floyd stepped in. When a lot of people said he was scared of Shane and wouldn't fight him.
Keep biching about though, we know you love to do it.
Im not, its just very sad that THAT'S his best win in recent times.
I'm still saying Judah. As far as the actual fight, anyway.
I don't know man, I mean I see what you're saying as far as rounds 1-5, but after that the fight was not remotely competitive.
So Ricky Hatton, Zab Judah, Victor Ortiz, and Shane Mosley were all crap fights, not legit. According the bias Floyd haters who never have ANYTHING good to say, that's the truth.
S**t gets old. I wonder what NSB would have been like in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. There probably would have been threads like this "Why is Ali fighting Patterson??? He is Liston's leftovers". "Ali is ducking the Foreman rematch". "Hearns is already Leonards's leftovers". "Ali's chin was exposed by Henry Cooper". "Ali looked like crap against Oscar Bonavena". "Ali is fighting absolute no names. Mac Foster? Buster Mathis? Alvin Lewis? Bob Foster? He's become a cherry picker". "Why is Ali fighting Ellis? He is Frazier's leftovers". "Frazier is shot now".
If there was NSB and BoxingScene back then, those would have been the posts we read.
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What's so sad about fighting and beating the #1 welter coming off of their biggest win?
Biggest win? No. Coming off? If you call 16 months later "coming off". I gave Floyd credit for that fight but its quite sad that its his best opponent in what? 8 or 9 years...?
man this is sad, really sad...
I did this poll a year or teo ago and everyone was saying judah.
I'm still saying Judah. As far as the actual fight, anyway.
So Ricky Hatton, Zab Judah, Victor Ortiz, and Shane Mosley were all crap fights, not legit. According the bias Floyd haters who never have ANYTHING good to say, that's the truth.
S**t gets old. I wonder what NSB would have been like in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. There probably would have been threads like this "Why is Ali fighting Patterson??? He is Liston's leftovers". "Ali is ducking the Foreman rematch". "Hearns is already Leonards's leftovers". "Ali's chin was exposed by Henry Cooper". "Ali looked like crap against Oscar Bonavena". "Ali is fighting absolute no names. Mac Foster? Buster Mathis? Alvin Lewis? Bob Foster? He's become a cherry picker". "Why is Ali fighting Ellis? He is Frazier's leftovers". "Frazier is shot now".
If there was NSB and BoxingScene back then, those would have been the posts we read.
Hatton was a big fight going into it, was Top 10 P4P, unbeaten, prime, had fought at 147 before.
But, I'd say probably Cotto at 154 or Ortiz.
Ortiz is better than people give him credit for. His only real loss besides Floyd was to Maidana, and Marcos never manned up and gave him a rematch at 140. I hope Maidana beats Alexander now, just so we can see Ortiz-Maidana II, because I got Ortiz in that one.
What happens if Ortiz goes on to be a Welterweight, Super Welterweight, Middleweight champion.....does Floyd's win over him look really good then???
I agree if u break those 3 down its close. Oscar in his next fight didn't look very impressive against Forbes and imo showed how past his prime he already was,Cotto hasnt been tested against a prime elite fighter in a couple years now,and Ortiz is being overrated due to his win over Berto. I still go back to his other recent fights like Peterson, Campbell and Maidana where he was far from impressive. U could actually argue Zab put up the best actual fight vs Floyd.
but see thats not fair. Cotto might look like garbage in his next fight also and Oscar went down to 150 for Forbes which is why I was one of the only people who said that Pac is going to kill him. I said if he looked like that at 150 against Forbes, I know he's going to look like a dead man at WW.
My point is that I thought your threads on this topic is always about the pre fight, right? I think most are answering the question wrong because they always talk about how tough the fight was itself. Even now you are talking about the next fight after but your main thing about Cotto being the toughest is what he's seen as going into the fight, right?
If thats the case then you cant talk about what happens in the next fight or even what happened in the fight itself. Its just about the pre fight. I mean if Floyd kills Cotto then you cant say its his toughest fight or if Cotto gets KO by a bum next then you cant say its his toughest fight, so you are just talking about the pre fight, am I wrong?
Martinez is good but he has not fought him or suggested he has any interest in fighting him.
Ortiz too me was going to get really tough in that fight. Much the same way he was with berto. He is a full fledged welter weight and has good pop in both hands. I think if that fight would have continued we would have seen Floyd tested unlike we had seen ever....LEFTY
What did you see that led you to believe any of that?
The fight ended early in the 4th round with one of Ortiz's eyes already closing and entering the rounds where PBF usually just takes over a fight.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I'll say Judah. One of the few times I saw Floyd completely in respect of his opponent at all times.
Oscar was probably the toughest physical challenge, because of the size.
Who do u think will go down as Floyds best opponent from 147-154?
its hard to say. JMM was the best fighter but not at that size probably. I hear what youre saying but I dont necesarily agree. Its easy to look back now and say that but at the time it was something else. Mainly a guy like Mosley. He's looked done since then but at the time of that fight, Mosley was looking like a monster. He killed Margarito. I think going into the Floyd fight, more people felt much better about Mosley's chances than they do Cotto's now.
Then I think people underrate how solid Oscar was at the time. 1st off you could argue Floyd shouldve been at LW at the time of that fight but definitley not over 140. He was the smallest WW you would ever see and he moved up to fight Oscar at 154 after Oscar had been at MW and just decapitated a Mayorga who everyone thought was maybe the toughest SOB in boxing(not best but toughest and hard to KO).
I think those 2 fights are over this fight for me. Im worried about this fight but as a Floyd fan I was so unsure of Floyd at 154 vs Oscar because he didnt even belong at WW at the time. Mosley was seen as still close to the top of his game, coming off a win over the most feared man in boxing, and unlike Cotto, everyone felt he had the speed to compete with Floyd, not to mention the size & strength. Those 2 were bigger at the time for me
jmm best fighter but not at 147.
I think Oscar is the best out of the mentioned. I tend to rate Mosley lower than he was perceived just because of his subsequent fights with Mora and Pac showed he was done.