Cotto is a better opponent than Canelo and it is funny how many people bought into that "hungry young lion" sh!t with Ortiz.
Cotto, even with the wear-and-tear on his body, is a better fighter than "hungry young lions" like Canelo, Ortiz, Khan, Berto.
I'm not sayin', just sayin', you do like to ***** and complain.
When boxing is in the state it currently is, everyone should be complaining.
But there are too many brainwashed fantards of certain fighters around these days.
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Actually, I said that Ortiz was a C class fighter and at his absolute best should only be a sparring partner for either Manny or Floyd (and he was indeed Pac's sparring partner in the past).So take your bullsh*t somewhere else. Floyd-Canelo was on the docket the minute Floyd booked the MGM 2 weeks before Pac-JMM, most of you clowns were just too stupid to see it. You were blinded by empty tweets and comical 70-30 split demands :lol1:
Lol, oh the irony.
You remind me of a 15 year old virgin that blew his load a little too early.
So all of the guys who were against the young, hungry lion will give Floyd props for choosing Cotto instead. Right?
It's better than Alvarez, definitely.
Well .. my only agenda has been to call it like it is.
You call me a troll?
Hahaha ...I have spoken more about actual boxing topics this year alone than you have in the last 12 months.
Maybe you should read what you write.
I write about boxing.
You comment on comments and those who write them.
Most peasants here are like that. They are more concerned with comments than boxing. That's how most of the foolishness gets started here.
In my last reply to you, it had ALL to do with boxing.
What did your comment I am replying to have to do with???????
You make it way too easy, with your woman-like ways.
Talk BOXING. Or can't you?
Did Cotto still go straight to the Pacquiao fight after Jennings, or are you done lying about that?
1) losing to ward does not make you not world class, so you're wrong there.
2) froch, before the tourny beat pascal, which is a better win than anything that canelo has, so if canelo hasn't even fought anyone as good as a young, untested pascal, why the FUK would he be considered for a floyd fight
3) canelo is over 30 fights deep and no real step up-certainly not one that , froch stepped up around his 20th fight. so froch didn't start early. canelo basically never started at all yet
4) if you say one could argue that he lost to dirrel (and I think he did), one could also argue that he beat kessler, so it goes both ways.
At one time I had little to no respect for Froch myself. I saw him in the JT fight and he looked very armature. My mind set on Froch has changed dramatically. Not that I think he is P4P material but he is definitely World Class. His performances in the Super Six have solidified that in my mind.....Lefty
As usual, you're a day late and a dollar short.
So because Froch took chances, that justifies him being better than he really is?
You haven't pointed sh!t out. And I invited you to do so but as usual, you show up with your thumb up your asss.
The difference between Canelo and Froch is that Froch started off early ... which is commendable, but he lost to an overrated Kessler early on. There's a very strong argument to be made that he lost to Dirrell as well.
And we saw how he was made to realize that he wasn't world stage material when he faced Ward, right?
Canelo is green, but Cintron was a step up. Not a world stage step up but the kid is coming along nicely. Canelo has more tools, better technique and more power than Froch. He has yet to have his chin checked thoroughly but if he passes that test he will definitely be up for a world stage challenge.
Being green is no sin and nothing to be ashamed of. Froch saw a chance and took it. It was a calculated risk where Froch stood to gain everything and really at that point had nothing to lose by entering the Super Six.
Carl was green at the beginning of the Super Six. It was what he showed during that tournament that has made him a top player. Froch is no better than Canelo. He's just a more proven commodity by at least 2 or 3 fights.
I can address you all day with clear and concise points because I know my sh!t. You on the other hands have to hammer at the same things over and over because you've run out of things you can discuss competently.
That much is clear, but I ain't mad at ya. You're just ... ghetto persistent.
1) losing to ward does not make you not world class, so you're wrong there.
2) froch, before the tourny beat pascal, which is a better win than anything that canelo has, so if canelo hasn't even fought anyone as good as a young, untested pascal, why the FUK would he be considered for a floyd fight
3) canelo is over 30 fights deep and no real step up-certainly not one that , froch stepped up around his 20th fight. so froch didn't start early. canelo basically never started at all yet
4) if you say one could argue that he lost to dirrel (and I think he did), one could also argue that he beat kessler, so it goes both ways.
I disagree with you look at Cotto's list of opponents from 2006 to present day
Paul Malignaggi - 21-0 tough kid from Brooklyn very good skills and difficut to deal with
Carlos Quintana - 23-0 1st fight at 147lbs & the first to beat Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal - 38-3 tough opponent &good measuring stick for Cotto @ 147lbs
Zab Judah - 34-4 Former undisputed WW champion at that time still on top
Shane Mosley - 44-4 - Former P4P Champion and future hall fame still very good at the time of the bout
Alfonso Gomez - 18-3-2 - tough fighter (everyone needs a tune up bout right?)
Antonio Margarito - 36-5 - At the time the most feared man in boxing a beast
Michael Jennings - 34-1 - A tune up bout after Cotto loss to Margarito ( he needed a break after the last few fights)
Joshua Clottey - 35-2 - Also one of the most feared fighters @ the time and a very good fighter
Manny Pacquiao - 49-3-2 - P4P Champion
Yuri Foreman - 28-0 - undefeated Junior Middle Weight Champion and a very skilled fighter
Ricardo Mayorga - 29-7 - Good tune up for the rematch with Margarito. mayorga is a agressive fighter
Antonio Margarito - 38-7 - Ghost that loomed large in Miguels mind.....LEFTY
certainly a very nice resume from a great fighter.
dont get me wrong, i do appreciate miguel cotto
he had some nice W's at 140 as well and was in some terrific fights.
i think he's an eventual hall of famer
and i don't mind anybody calling him a great.
i do. miguel cotto is a great fighter.
i've come to consider the ATG distinction for discussion purposes only the top 100 of all time, and he's well short of that in my book.
no he didn't. not at all
it had nothing to do with my post to him. that clown just says what he wants, regardless of what the topic at hand is.
here's how that exact topic went down.
talk about hurt feelings, he thought I was talking about floyd's competition when I was clearly saying that floyd counts on fans who are "enamored with names" to sell fights then he starts ranting...
what a clown. his whole posting style is to compelty disregard the topic at hand and go on a tangent that makes no sense.
he says the only thing that matter is what happens in the ring in one post, and the next post is that the only thing that matter in judging a fighters competition is if they are ranked in the top 3 at the time. Which is it? what happen in the ring or a bullshi t ranking by an alphabet soup organization?
he exclusively posts in threads about floyd, pac, their times, or cotto. but he knows everything and everyone in boxing :lol1:
i didnt go through the entirety of the back and fourth (or whatever you want to call whatever he does,) and for that i apologise
the only sound point i saw that i agree with was the bit about the top guys in divsiions not fighting the top contender one after the other, and i didnt want mention it in terms of its relevance to the discussion because i wasnt really following it.
i just pointed out the only bit i thought was at least sane
i always like to think its easier to get a point across with a
"I understand the points you are making, but.."
the guy is clearly a clown, and i wasn't supporting any of his claims outside of the point about #1 contenders, and wasnt trying to make any implications about its bearing on the discussion at hand (which like i said, i wasnt able to follow. these threads are just FLYING these days with all the hot stove discussion.)
and i definitely dont like how he conducts himself
you started out making some fair points
no fighter fights the best opposition out there with any consistency, one after the other.
they never have and they never will. the fights get too hard to make
the fighters wear down
the businesses end up losing their assets (the fighters,) prematurely, and arent able to maximize the profits from them by extending their careers by incurring less risk
then you started acting like a child
and you finshed it up acting like a fool
marco antonio barrera > miguel cotto
that's going to be something you're going to have to learn to deal with, again, at the risk of sounding like a complete fool
I disagree with you look at Cotto's list of opponents from 2006 to present day
Paul Malignaggi - 21-0 tough kid from Brooklyn very good skills and difficut to deal with
Carlos Quintana - 23-0 1st fight at 147lbs & the first to beat Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal - 38-3 tough opponent &good measuring stick for Cotto @ 147lbs
Zab Judah - 34-4 Former undisputed WW champion at that time still on top
Shane Mosley - 44-4 - Former P4P Champion and future hall fame still very good at the time of the bout
Alfonso Gomez - 18-3-2 - tough fighter (everyone needs a tune up bout right?)
Antonio Margarito - 36-5 - At the time the most feared man in boxing a beast
Michael Jennings - 34-1 - A tune up bout after Cotto loss to Margarito ( he needed a break after the last few fights)
Joshua Clottey - 35-2 - Also one of the most feared fighters @ the time and a very good fighter
Manny Pacquiao - 49-3-2 - P4P Champion
Yuri Foreman - 28-0 - undefeated Junior Middle Weight Champion and a very skilled fighter
Ricardo Mayorga - 29-7 - Good tune up for the rematch with Margarito. mayorga is a agressive fighter
Antonio Margarito - 38-7 - Ghost that loomed large in Miguels mind.....LEFTY
you started out making some fair points
no fighter fights the best opposition out there with any consistency, one after the other.
they never have and they never will. the fights get too hard to make
the fighters wear down
the businesses end up losing their assets (the fighters,) prematurely, and arent able to maximize the profits from them by extending their careers by incurring less risk
then you started acting like a child
and you finshed it up acting like a fool
marco antonio barrera > miguel cotto
that's going to be something you're going to have to learn to deal with, again, at the risk of sounding like a complete fool
no he didn't. not at all
it had nothing to do with my post to him. that clown just says what he wants, regardless of what the topic at hand is.
here's how that exact topic went down.
Pascal hadn't done anything at that point. He hadn't won a world championship yet. You only know his name because of what he did with Dawson and Hopkins.
Canelo is the WBC champion albeit a vacant title.
It becomes so clear that some fans are enamored with "names" and not accomplishments.
King and Arum COUNT on this. Its how they sell sh!t to the masses.
And suckers fall for the dumb sh!t EVERY time.
lol, and floyd doesn't either? you're the sucker around here.
LOL .. what fighter can you name that has fought the #1 or #2 fighter in every division that they have competed in consistently?
Mayweather doesn't make the rankings. The best are those who have won their fights. They have fought and beaten whoever stood in their way to be at the top.
You may not like who the best is, but your opinions and hurt feelings do nothing but show your vagina.
talk about hurt feelings, he thought I was talking about floyd's competition when I was clearly saying that floyd counts on fans who are "enamored with names" to sell fights then he starts ranting...
what a clown. his whole posting style is to compelty disregard the topic at hand and go on a tangent that makes no sense.
he says the only thing that matter is what happens in the ring in one post, and the next post is that the only thing that matter in judging a fighters competition is if they are ranked in the top 3 at the time. Which is it? what happen in the ring or a bullshi t ranking by an alphabet soup organization?
he exclusively posts in threads about floyd, pac, their times, or cotto. but he knows everything and everyone in boxing :lol1: