Mayweather only fights the best fighters out there

to be honest most people knew Floyd would beat Mosley, hell he had lost to Cotto 3 years prior and had something like a 14 months break since Margarito win.

He sure was...who was better?? Manny didn't want to find out...Shane called him out in his OWN GYM.. If Margarito called Floyd out in his own gym ya'll would never let it go..! When Shane was Champ PAC DUCKED HIM...Freddy said "Shane...you're just too good"... You tell me.. Who was better at WW than Shane at the time Floyd fought him??? I completely agree. Mosley was the best fighter at welterweight when Floyd fought him. He had earned that right in his previous fight. You know how? He knocked out the guy who had been the best, Antonio Margarito. You know how Antonio Margarito earned the right to be called the best welterweight before Mosley? He stopped Miguel Cotto, who had been the best welterweight when Margarito beat him. Which makes the post below completely wrong: Tony and Cotto were never the best at any weight... Oscar > Tony and Cotto combined.. Doesn't it?

really? so how come he didnt fight cotto when he was the best? why didnt he fight margarito when he was the best? why didnt he fight pacquiao when he was the best? Cotto and Margo didn't really have much time on top while Floyd was active. Floyd beat Baldo who was the champ in Nov of 06--I'm ranking him ahead of Margo at the time because he'd beaten Judah, who was no.1. Following that, Margo was briefly the no 1 contender while Floyd fought Oscar at 150 in May (I think Oscar was better than Margo and the fight obviously made financial sense for Floyd). In June, Margo lost to Paul Williams. Cotto wasn't on top until 08 when Williams lost and then Margo was on top later after beating Cotto. Margo and Cotto controlled 08 while Floyd took time off, which doesn't quite count as ducking. Mosley was on top when Floyd came back. If anything, Floyd ducked Paul Williams by fighting Hatton, but Hatton was a much bigger draw so it's understandable.

really? so how come he didnt fight cotto when he was the best? why didnt he fight margarito when he was the best? why didnt he fight pacquiao when he was the best?

pretty embarrassing statement to make. didn't fight Cotto, Margarito, Williams .. 2007..2008 Wont fight Pacquiao since 2008

He also beat Pacquiao the first fight, than looked like cra about Raheem in a loss, than Manny beat him. You are right about Hatton and Cotto though. It shoudl be mentioned that Hatton was coming off a loss to Floyd, as well as good wins against Malignaggi and Lazcano. Still, Hatton was past his prime-still good. I don't think anyone considered Hatton prime going into the Manny fight. Still good, not prime. Cotto was past his prime-still good as well, pretty much the same as he is now. After the Margarito loss, he beat Jennings to win his title (i mean, really?) and than fought a tough fight with Clottey. Cotto and Hatton were the last fights that Pac fought a legit fight, both good wins in my book. That's why if there's not May-Pac, I hope it's Mayweather-Cotto at 154 and Pacquiao-Bradley. That'd be fine with me. Clottey may not be great, but he put up very good fights against Margarito and Cotto. If he had any guts whatsoever he might have beat both, so Pac deserves credit IMO just for blanking him out the way he did. Since then though, ugh. As bad a run as a fighter in his position could possibly have.

Just about every other poster did as well. Well the argument because everyone else was doing is a poor one. And I have not brought in the compare and contrast Floyd & Manny debate to this thread and you were responding to a post of mine.

I hate when people list Hatton and Cotto among those coming off big losses. They also were coming off good wins. Say what you want about Malignaggi, he was one of the better fighters at 140 and Hatton destroyed him after Floyd. Cotto had beat Clottey, and if you don't think he won then Clottey was coming off a win and you can't say he was coming off a loss then. There are also a lot of people who thought Morales won the second Barrera fight, so it's not like he looked terrible going into the first Pacquiao fight either. He also beat Pacquiao the first fight, than looked like cra about Raheem in a loss, than Manny beat him. You are right about Hatton and Cotto though. It shoudl be mentioned that Hatton was coming off a loss to Floyd, as well as good wins against Malignaggi and Lazcano. Still, Hatton was past his prime-still good. I don't think anyone considered Hatton prime going into the Manny fight. Still good, not prime. Cotto was past his prime-still good as well, pretty much the same as he is now. After the Margarito loss, he beat Jennings to win his title (i mean, really?) and than fought a tough fight with Clottey. Cotto and Hatton were the last fights that Pac fought a legit fight, both good wins in my book. That's why if there's not May-Pac, I hope it's Mayweather-Cotto at 154 and Pacquiao-Bradley. That'd be fine with me.

Cotto didn't really beat Clottey... Malinaggi???? LOL Only a Floyd hater will call him decent comp..while slamming much BETTER fighters on Floyd's resume... You didn't answer my previous question. Was Shane Mosley the best welterweight when Floyd fought him?

The statement posed by the TS was, Floyd only fights the best fighters out there. This is clearly not the case, and in fact has not faced "the best fight" since Castillo. Don't know why you feel you need to bring Pacquiao into every conversation about Mayweather. Just about every other poster did as well.

I don't get the "best" talk but whatever. Just look at Manny and Floyd's opponents, and what they'd done prior to fighting them. Sasakul, Ledwaba, Sanchez, Lucero, Barrera I, Marquez I (draw), Solis, Marquez II, Diaz, and Marquez III......those were the really notable fights for Manny where his opponents were coming off wins. Morales I (loss), Morales II, Larios, Barrera II, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley......those were the fights where his opponents were coming off really definite recent losses. Some of his biggest wins in there. Sasakul, Ledwaba, Sanchez, Lucero, Barrera I, Marquez I (draw), Solis....those are the fights where you can without a doubt-100% say Pac's opponent was prime. Morales I (draw) and Morales II are open for debate on whether or not Erik was prime, but by the second and third Morales fights, Erik himself was saying "Maybe I just don't have it anymore". Marquez II, Morales III, Diaz, Larios, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey.....those opponents were all past their prime-still good at the time he fought them. Marquez III, Barrera II, De La Hoya, Margarito, Mosley....those opponents were all past their prime completely. Let's look at Floyd's. G. Hernandez, Manfredy, Gerena, Corrales, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, N'dou, Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz.....those opponents were all coming off wins. Corley and Judah were coming off definite recent losses. Manfredy, Corrales, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, N'dou, Corley, Judah, Hatton, Ortiz....those opponents were all in their prime when Floyd fought them. G. Hernandez, Gerena, and Marquez.....those opponens were past their prime-still good when Floyd fought them. Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Mosley.....those opponents were past their primes completely. So if you look at both, Floyd definitely fought more people coming off big wins, than he did with losses, and he also fought more people that were still in their primes as well. The statement posed by the TS was, Floyd only fights the best fighters out there. This is clearly not the case, and in fact has not faced "the best fight" since Castillo. Don't know why you feel you need to bring Pacquiao into every conversation about Mayweather.

I don't get the "best" talk but whatever. Just look at Manny and Floyd's opponents, and what they'd done prior to fighting them. Sasakul, Ledwaba, Sanchez, Lucero, Barrera I, Marquez I (draw), Solis, Marquez II, Diaz, and Marquez III......those were the really notable fights for Manny where his opponents were coming off wins. Morales I (loss), Morales II, Larios, Barrera II, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley......those were the fights where his opponents were coming off really definite recent losses. Some of his biggest wins in there. Sasakul, Ledwaba, Sanchez, Lucero, Barrera I, Marquez I (draw), Solis....those are the fights where you can't without a doubt-100% say Pac's opponent was prime. Morales I (draw) and Morales II are open for debate on whether or not Erik was prime, but by the second and third Morales fights, Erik himself was saying "Maybe I just don't have it anymore". Marquez II, Morales III, Diaz, Larios, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey.....those opponents were all past their prime-still good at the time he fought them. Marquez III, Barrera II, De La Hoya, Margarito, Mosley....those opponents were all past their prime completely. Let's look at Floyd's. G. Hernandez, Manfredy, Gerena, Corrales, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, N'dou, Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz.....those opponents were all coming off wins. Corley and Judah were coming off definite recent losses. Manfredy, Corrales, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, N'dou, Corley, Judah, Hatton, Ortiz....those opponents were all in their prime when Floyd fought them. G. Hernandez, Gerena, and Marquez.....those opponens were past their prime-still good when Floyd fought them. Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Mosley.....those opponents were past their primes completely. So if you look at both, Floyd definitely fought more people coming off big wins, than he did with losses, and he also fought more people that were still in their primes as well. I hate when people list Hatton and Cotto among those coming off big losses. They also were coming off good wins. Say what you want about Malignaggi, he was one of the better fighters at 140 and Hatton destroyed him after Floyd. Cotto had beat Clottey, and if you don't think he won then Clottey was coming off a win and you can't say he was coming off a loss then. There are also a lot of people who thought Morales won the second Barrera fight, so it's not like he looked terrible going into the first Pacquiao fight either.

I think some of you guys need to look up "best" in the dictionary because it clear that some of you don't know what it means. The last opponent of Floyd that this could be attributed to is Jose Luis Castillo at lightweight. I don't get the "best" talk but whatever. Just look at Manny and Floyd's opponents, and what they'd done prior to fighting them. Sasakul, Ledwaba, Sanchez, Lucero, Barrera I, Marquez I (draw), Solis, Marquez II, Diaz, and Marquez III......those were the really notable fights for Manny where his opponents were coming off wins. Morales I (loss), Morales II, Larios, Barrera II, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley......those were the fights where his opponents were coming off really definite recent losses. Some of his biggest wins in there. Sasakul, Ledwaba, Sanchez, Lucero, Barrera I, Marquez I (draw), Solis....those are the fights where you can without a doubt-100% say Pac's opponent was prime. Morales I (draw) and Morales II are open for debate on whether or not Erik was prime, but by the second and third Morales fights, Erik himself was saying "Maybe I just don't have it anymore". Marquez II, Morales III, Diaz, Larios, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey.....those opponents were all past their prime-still good at the time he fought them. Marquez III, Barrera II, De La Hoya, Margarito, Mosley....those opponents were all past their prime completely. Let's look at Floyd's. G. Hernandez, Manfredy, Gerena, Corrales, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, N'dou, Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz.....those opponents were all coming off wins. Corley and Judah were coming off definite recent losses. Manfredy, Corrales, C. Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo, N'dou, Corley, Judah, Hatton, Ortiz....those opponents were all in their prime when Floyd fought them. G. Hernandez, Gerena, and Marquez.....those opponens were past their prime-still good when Floyd fought them. Gatti, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Mosley.....those opponents were past their primes completely. So if you look at both, Floyd definitely fought more people coming off big wins, than he did with losses, and he also fought more people that were still in their primes as well.

Tony and Cotto were never the best at any weight... Oscar > Tony and Cotto combined.. Even part-time Oscar, 1 fight in 3 years before fighting Floyd, who couldn't throw the right anymore and then took a beaten from Forbes and then Pacquiao schooled him. Yeah and thats is why Oscar chased a fight with light-weight Pacquiao, because he was too confident of beating Marg:omfg:

Tony and Cotto were never the best at any weight... Oscar > Tony and Cotto combined.. Was Shane Mosley the best welterweight when Floyd fought him?

I think some of you guys need to look up "best" in the dictionary because it clear that some of you don't know what it means. The last opponent of Floyd that this could be attributed to is Jose Luis Castillo at lightweight.

JMM is a cherry picked lw midget to Floyd, Ortiz was a soft green fighter who just beat a paper champ for his first belt, Hatton was damn overrated his whole career because he was allowed to fight a shot Tszyu in England under MMA RULES. Oscar was a challenge so was Mosley but hell no, dude wasn't TOP 10 P4P let alone TOP 3, stop reading Ring Mag buddy, especially when it comes to GBP fighters. Mosley was #9 P4P after beating Margarito, who'd just beaten Cotto. Marquez was a C-/C fight at the time, but given what Marquez just did to Pacquiao, does that dominant fight not look a little more legit??? I mean, Floyd shut him out. No one can hate on Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Carlos Gerena, Diego Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo. The only people that hate on those fights are straight bias Floyd haters, nothing more or less. Phillip N'dou was like a what Ledwaba was to Manny. No one considered N'dou or Ledwaba as some of the best in the world, but they were legit fights. Decent opponents. Floyd didn't do much at all at 140, but it's not his fault Tszyu lost to Hatton. I remember back in 2005 they were going to set up Mayweather-Tszyu but he lost to Hatton, who Mayweather fought in 07'. Judah was looked at as a big fight going into it before he lost to Baldomir, but Floyd still fought Judah and won, than fought Baldomir and won. Oscar at 154 was a risk, given he'd just KO'd Mayorga, and Floyd was small as hell for 154 lbs. Hatton, whether or not you thought he was overrated, was still a good pick. He was unbeaten, #8 P4P, prime, coming off good wins. I already mentioned the Marquez fight earlier, and maybe not it looks better because Marquez just argubaly beat Manny at the exact same weight. Mosley was legit, he'd just KO'd Mayorga and Margarito, and was #9 P4P at the time. Ortiz was also legit, he'd just had 5 straight wins (1 over unbeaten Berto, regardless if you thought Berto was overrated) and a draw he should have won over Peterson, which now looks a lot better. Ortiz was young and agressive fighter, who had come into his early prime years, who has one of the most explosive offensive attacks in the sport. It's not Ortiz' fault that Maidana never gave him a rematch, which was his only real loss going into the Floyd fight. His other loss was a DQ where he hit the guy when he was on his knee or something. Ortiz' record really should have been 31-1-1 going into the fight, because he beat Peterson as well, I don't care what anyone says. Would Cotto at 154 lbs be a risk or challenge??? Manny gets more credit because he did it first, but Floyd still gets his due, just like Hatton, only vice-versa obviously.

his last few fights Ortiz-wbc champ 24=10 years younger Mosley-Wbc champ-p4p#3 Jmm-lw champ-p4p#2 Hatton-p4p top 5 undefeated-former wba ww champ-lineal lww champ Oscar-wbc 154 champ Baldo-lineal ww champ i mean seriously how can you down this?? JMM is a cherry picked lw midget to Floyd, Ortiz was a soft green fighter who just beat a paper champ for his first belt, Hatton was damn overrated his whole career because he was allowed to fight a shot Tszyu in England under MMA RULES. Oscar was a challenge so was Mosley but hell no, dude wasn't TOP 10 P4P let alone TOP 3, stop reading Ring Mag buddy, especially when it comes to GBP fighters.

Has never fought the best since moving to light-weight and that is a fact. Was Ortiz the best? Was Mosley the best in 2010? Was Marquez the best in 2009 at welter? Was Hatton the best at welter in 2007? Was Oscar the best light-middle? Was Baldomir the best welterweight? Was Judah? It is no to all of these.

i think shane woulda beat him (back when they were disscussin it) but now its a toss-up 50-50 who you got berto/shane??? and how??? ALWAYS Shane...NEVER Berto....strongest chin wins that one....they're MADE for each other imo....Berto would've gotten knocked out COLD back then...today its a good fight still....only thing is Shane would probably need 3 or 4 round longer to ice that dude....so atm, Shane tuns off the switch on dude around the 8th or 9th round...back then it would've taken 4 or 5 imo :lol1: