The reason why he will never do so is because he cannot rely on his reflexes when fighting a southpaw. When someone like Floyd gets a rhythm of slipping and weaving punches the way he normally does with an orthodox he will not do something that is out of his nature and that can get him easily timed. He learned that from the Judah fight. Mayweather blocked all Ortiz's shots and came forward with right hand counters after rolling his shoulder to Ortiz's jabs and fighting with a high guard while backing up as Ortiz threw a flurry. Ortiz could have had moments later on in the fight, but it was only four rounds. Pacquiao is at a disadvantage with reach and since he is more confident in leaving himself open you're just gonna see pull and counter rights from Mayweather. Having almost a 5 inch reach advantage along with foot speed will not allow Manny to plant his feet. It's going to be even worse with Martinez if he is Floyd's next opponent, because the dehydration is going to cause his skin to bruise easily with any little pop that touches him and Floyd will treat his head as a double end bag since he leaves his hands down...
The slightly improved pacquiao that fought Marquez last November struggled hard. Had he got that much better by the time the trilogy happened Marquez wouldn't have done as well as he did. manny fell for rights over and over again. pacquiao's right hook counter couldn't stop Marquez right. Many people felt manny lost and polls after the fight reflected this thought among the fans. It wasn't convincing in any way for manny pacquiao. How does a fighter who's generally loved by most people end up getting booed in the arena and have a bottle thrown at his head for a 'convincing decision'?
Cotto has shown some improved defense such as pivoting, lateral movement, and clinching. The issue is who he managed to show it against. margarito is a low ring iq and very slow fighter where movement will suffice for defending against him. Mayweather has better footwork than Cotto. Moving around for movement won't be an option since Mayweather has a significant speed advantage and Cotto would be the one doing the chasing unlike his recent marg fight. No way Miguel I only learned how to clinch one fight ago Cotto has a better clinch game than someone who has done it all their life like Mayweather.
Mayweather throws the jab to the body very frequently. That punch is great for stopping someone's rhythm. Cotto's stance is perfect for taking that stab down low.
Mayweather has seen a better jab than Cotto's when he fought Oscar. He ended up outjabbing Oscar with his own jab. Cotto is the type who needs to set everything up behind his jab.
Cotto-Mayweather would be a great fight to watch but not competitive. Martinez gives Mayweather a tougher fight.
I think Manny is a better fighter now than in 2008 or 2005, he's not fighting as retarded as he did sometimes early in his career, he's a lil bit more cautious and he has a better defense.
BUT, Marquez adapted to this new "in and out" version for the third fight, and I truly think Manny overlooked Marquez, he wasn't ready for a war, he wasn't expecting a war but an easy fight.
For the first 2 fights, we had a great Marquez and a great Pacquiao, for the last one, we had again a great Marquez, but not a great Pacquiao, I'm talking about his motivation, he looked like a fighter in a sparring session, not so concerned...
"I think you need to watch more Mayweather tape."
I don't. I am 31 years old; been watching boxing since I was 5. I grew up sparring and I train to this day. I know the sport. You may disagree with me and that's ok but don't tell me I need to watch more tape. My post was well thoughtout and a fight between the two could play out that way as well.
I could also see May fighting brave and testing Manny's power for 12 rounds. He is the much bigger fighter and should win easy, but he won't. But one thing I'd like to add is that fighters behave a certain way in the ring. I don't totally agree that styles make fights. I believe that styles complicates fights. That to me makes more sense.
Roach isn't stupid and neither is Manny. They will neutralize his right hand. Cotto will to if they fight. Remember this, one attribute doesn't beat a great fighter. Manny's power isn't going to win the fight. May's defense or right hand won't win the fight. Whoever puts all that together in harmony on that night, will win. He can beat May and May can beat him. It's not carved in stone that because everyone thinks May is such a great boxer and is out of another fighters league. I don't buy it because I'm smarter than that. Level of opposition has something to do with a fighter being this far into their career, without a loss.
Yep good post
"he cuts and bruises and swells from everything the fight would be stopped."
I worry about that! But remember; He protects better nowadays than he use to. Steward made sure to address that first. He's more aware of trying to block and dodge now. However it ends, I am excited to see it unfold. You?
If his defense was that much better he wouldn't look how he did after Margo 2
Excited yeah I'm happy for any big fight even if I know who's gonna win.
I agree.......
"he cuts and bruises and swells from everything the fight would be stopped."
I worry about that! But remember; He protects better nowadays than he use to. Steward made sure to address that first. He's more aware of trying to block and dodge now. However it ends, I am excited to see it unfold. You?
"Morales and Marquez both had success with their great hands."
What version of Manny was that? It was before he became the fighter he is today. You see what happened to Morales in fights two and three. The start of Manny becoming a complete fighter was against David Diaz. From that point on, he was a much improved fighter.
His thrid fight against Marquez, was his best oout of the three and was the most convincing win. Marquez landed the more eye-popping "single shots" but he is a Hall Of Famer. Manny was smart enough to neutralize that righ:smileysext hand most of the fight. His defense has vastly improved. His footwork is a beautiful thing to watch at times man. He blocked and dodged many of Marquez's punches. He out threw and out landed him. If they fought again, it would be the same result or even worse for Marquez. It was a close fight but that's what happens when you fight the best. You can't and will not dominate every opponent.
As for Cotto. He has always had a high boxing I.Q. Unfortunately for him, he was also his own trainer and boss in his camps. He is a much improved fighter also. His defense has improved and he is smarter in the ring than ever before. Outside of May's right hand, he simply doesn't throw enough punches to keep a great fighter off him. All of Cotto's strengths, are his weaknesses. May is hittable by an opponent with a great jab. He gives you his body. He has a low punch output. Hmmm, Cotto has a great left jab. The best since Oscar in those divisions. He is a vicious body puncher and he is busy enough to keep May on the defensive. This is an intriguing fight. You agree? He has great legs and has a good chance of winning that fight. May isn't the same fighter he use to be. He would gain my respect even more with a victory over Cotto at 154. If he chooses to fight anyone else on May 5th, I'd be disappointed.
You sound like a fool. You don't know boxing.
"Morales and Marquez both had success with their great hands."
What version of Manny was that? It was before he became the fighter he is today. You see what happened to Morales in fights two and three. The start of Manny becoming a complete fighter was against David Diaz. From that point on, he was a much improved fighter.
His thrid fight against Marquez, was his best oout of the three and was the most convincing win. Marquez landed the more eye-popping "single shots" but he is a Hall Of Famer. Manny was smart enough to neutralize that right hand most of the fight. His defense has vastly improved. His footwork is a beautiful thing to watch at times man. He blocked and dodged many of Marquez's punches. He out threw and out landed him. If they fought again, it would be the same result or even worse for Marquez. It was a close fight but that's what happens when you fight the best. You can't and will not dominate every opponent.
As for Cotto. He has always had a high boxing I.Q. Unfortunately for him, he was also his own trainer and boss in his camps. He is a much improved fighter also. His defense has improved and he is smarter in the ring than ever before. Outside of May's right hand, he simply doesn't throw enough punches to keep a great fighter off him. All of Cotto's strengths, are his weaknesses. May is hittable by an opponent with a great jab. He gives you his body. He has a low punch output. Hmmm, Cotto has a great left jab. The best since Oscar in those divisions. He is a vicious body puncher and he is busy enough to keep May on the defensive. This is an intriguing fight. You agree? He has great legs and has a good chance of winning that fight. May isn't the same fighter he use to be. He would gain my respect even more with a victory over Cotto at 154. If he chooses to fight anyone else on May 5th, I'd be disappointed.
The best since Oscar in those divisions ?
Where you get that from Oscar tried jabing with Floyd and got countered constantly and cottos jab is even slower then oscars he's definite to get countered and beat to a pulp plus the fact that he cuts and bruises and swells form everything the fight would be stopped.
If a old Margo could catch him if mayorga could if Forman could with right hands and left hooks then Floyd will smoke his a$$ with em
Coming forward doesn't automatically mean brawling. Certain fighters are more creative than others see the Mayweather-Judah, Mayweather-Mosley, and Mayweather-Ortiz tapes.
pacquiao has the mentality of a bully and would respect effective aggression especially if his own aggression is being negated. Morales had success with plenty of aggression.
I get you I've seen them but it would be a different fight it's hard to say
Interesting......
"Morales and Marquez both had success with their great hands."
What version of Manny was that? It was before he became the fighter he is today. You see what happened to Morales in fights two and three. The start of Manny becoming a complete fighter was against David Diaz. From that point on, he was a much improved fighter.
His thrid fight against Marquez, was his best oout of the three and was the most convincing win. Marquez landed the more eye-popping "single shots" but he is a Hall Of Famer. Manny was smart enough to neutralize that right hand most of the fight. His defense has vastly improved. His footwork is a beautiful thing to watch at times man. He blocked and dodged many of Marquez's punches. He out threw and out landed him. If they fought again, it would be the same result or even worse for Marquez. It was a close fight but that's what happens when you fight the best. You can't and will not dominate every opponent.
As for Cotto. He has always had a high boxing I.Q. Unfortunately for him, he was also his own trainer and boss in his camps. He is a much improved fighter also. His defense has improved and he is smarter in the ring than ever before. Outside of May's right hand, he simply doesn't throw enough punches to keep a great fighter off him. All of Cotto's strengths, are his weaknesses. May is hittable by an opponent with a great jab. He gives you his body. He has a low punch output. Hmmm, Cotto has a great left jab. The best since Oscar in those divisions. He is a vicious body puncher and he is busy enough to keep May on the defensive. This is an intriguing fight. You agree? He has great legs and has a good chance of winning that fight. May isn't the same fighter he use to be. He would gain my respect even more with a victory over Cotto at 154. If he chooses to fight anyone else on May 5th, I'd be disappointed.
there were some people who said Floyd used a reverse philly shell against ortiz, I watched those 4 rounds about 50 times each and couldn't find the round where Floyd did this
were people just misinformed or did i miss it?
Agree to disagree......
"I think you need to watch more Mayweather tape."
I don't. I am 31 years old; been watching boxing since I was 5. I grew up sparring and I train to this day. I know the sport. You may disagree with me and that's ok but don't tell me I need to watch more tape. My post was well thoughtout and a fight between the two could play out that way as well.
I could also see May fighting brave and testing Manny's power for 12 rounds. He is the much bigger fighter and should win easy, but he won't. But one thing I'd like to add is that fighters behave a certain way in the ring. I don't totally agree that styles make fights. I believe that styles complicates fights. That to me makes more sense.
Roach isn't stupid and neither is Manny. They will neutralize his right hand. Cotto will to if they fight. Remember this, one attribute doesn't beat a great fighter. Manny's power isn't going to win the fight. May's defense or right hand won't win the fight. Whoever puts all that together in harmony on that night, will win. He can beat May and May can beat him. It's not carved in stone that because everyone thinks May is such a great boxer and is out of another fighters league. I don't buy it because I'm smarter than that. Level of opposition has something to do with a fighter being this far into their career, without a loss.
Good post here. But, easier said than done. Manny is not normal. Everyone seems to think he is this one-dimensional fighter who only comes foward throwing wide wild punches. This is totally inaccurate and he is actually the opposite. He throws straight, fast, hard, and accurate shots. He constantly moves his head and his feet are as fast as his hands. If Mayweather wins, it has to be by K.O. or he will be outpointed in my opinion. He just isn't busy enough. Eventually that has to cost him in a fight. Outside of May's right hand, he doesn't throw many other punches on a regular basis. Manny can neutralize that punch with the way he fights. May's jab is decent but not the best so his reach won't be that much of a factor because he fights to survive. Manny is also faster than him when throwing more than one punch at a time, which means he could either catch him exchanging or out throw and out land him over twelve rounds. What do you think?
If Mayweather brawls too much or gets too aggressive with Pacquiao then Pacquiao would either win by ko/tko him or win by sd/ud
Good post.....BUT,
Good post here. But, easier said than done. Manny is not normal. Everyone seems to think he is this one-dimensional fighter who only comes foward throwing wide wild punches. This is totally inaccurate and he is actually the opposite. He throws straight, fast, hard, and accurate shots. He constantly moves his head and his feet are as fast as his hands. If Mayweather wins, it has to be by K.O. or he will be outpointed in my opinion. He just isn't busy enough. Eventually that has to cost him in a fight. Outside of May's right hand, he doesn't throw many other punches on a regular basis. Manny can neutralize that punch with the way he fights. May's jab is decent but not the best so his reach won't be that much of a factor because he fights to survive. Manny is also faster than him when throwing more than one punch at a time, which means he could either catch him exchanging or out throw and out land him over twelve rounds. What do you think?
He learned his lesson against the first southpaw he fought (I think was Reggie Johnson). That's when his dad told Roger to not put him in against southpaws anymore. Floyd later went in against another southpaw (Jesus Chavez) and was much more aggressive than he was against Reggie. From that point he continued to walk southpaws down and pound them out.