No one knows who rigondeaux is!!!!!

yeah we all understand that about fighters making money and whatnot, but as fans of the SPORT of boxing it is a shame that's it's more business than a legit sport. name all the fights that should be happening but aren't happening because business is business. It's an endless list. Not only does that suck for fans it also has hurt the sport tremendously, which really means that hurts many fighters pockets in the long run too. What he said.

I want to be clear: I don't think Rigo is ready for Donaire. However, I do believe that, even now, Guillermo can give Nonito a run for his money...perhaps even win. That in itself is saying a lot. I simply don't understand how anyone can predict that Rigondeaux will beat Donaire right now. It's just too much. I agree, "El Chacal" is an unusual boxing talent, perhaps even a Mayweatheresque talent. But, right now, Rigo only passes the so-called "eye test." Problem is, the "eye test" can be wrong. That's why I'm unwilling to commit this early, there's not quite enough evidence. Four hundred amateur fights can't be discounted, but they don't tell the whole story. I agree with your assessment about Guillermo's reaction to adversity. The trouble with the Cuban fighters is that most have spent too much time in the amateurs. It's the language they speak. Now they're learning another language, the pros. As with anything else, when we're confronted with difficulty, we tend to revert back to what we're familiar with. I can't compare Rigondeaux with Narvaez; I didn't see his fight with Nonito. After I read what a snoozer it was, I didn't bother. Lol Anyway, I've watched Guillermo, off and on, ever since he won his first Olympic gold medal. I remember thinking what a shame it was that this guy couldn't turn pro. Now, miracle of miracles, it's happened! I just hope it's not too late. Rigo is special. If he never fulfills his promise, it won't be because he didn't have the talent...it'll be because he was too old to learn another language. Understandable...... I can see ur pov Good post :boxing:

the way I see it pertaining to this fight is this we all knew that after WV2, should he win, Top Rank and Donaire were targeting a big match up with Arce. In fact it looks like Arce is taking a tune up rather than fight someone of note. IMO I think it's specifically for this purpose also I have heard that Nonito is willing to travel to Japan to face Nishioka as Nishioka told a few people he no longer had the desire to fight anywhere but in Japan. in that span IMO Guillermo needs to establish himself as the only threat to Donaire. Donaire going through WV2 Arce and Nishioka is pretty impressive IMO with his lack of drawing power (and a record that can be easily discredited,) rigondeaux is going to have to force the issue. he's got to keep winning. if he's good enough, he'll eventually create the appearance of donaire ducking him. it's a classic tactic. he's got to be good enough to keep winning and eventually he will pick up steam we've seen this before the risk that comes with fighting rigondeaux isnt worth the reward. even in in victory donaire would probably have trouble looking good. he can get better money trashing jorge arce and looking spectacular. he needs to build his resume to get a shot at a top flight p4p guy (and the cash cow at 122) like donaire he's too great of a risk i wouldnt be surprised at all to see donaire eventually fight lopez and gamboa at 130 or 135 before he ever gets in the ring with rigondeaux

I would say both..... And I don't disagree with your observation of Rigo..... To me though it doesn't say he'll win.... Hang definitely but win based off those attributes no.... He will be looking at a man with attributes to rival his.... I've also seen posters refer to the Narvaez fight as proof that Rigo would win because of his defense..... One thing about that comparison that sticks out to me is Narvaez kept his hands up and would occasionally turn Donaire without a lot of movement.... Compare that to the defense employed by Rigo after he got hurt vs Cordoba and to me it's night and day.... Narvaez used his feet to pivot with slight movement while Rigo basically ran.... I can't help but think that after 400 am fights he wouldn't have a better defensive option when hurt opposed to running.... I personally think if he fights Donaire and Rigo gets touched he will revert back to what works..... Thoughts??? I want to be clear: I don't think Rigo is ready for Donaire. However, I do believe that, even now, Guillermo can give Nonito a run for his money...perhaps even win. That in itself is saying a lot. I simply don't understand how anyone can predict that Rigondeaux will beat Donaire right now. It's just too much. I agree, "El Chacal" is an unusual boxing talent, perhaps even a Mayweatheresque talent. But, right now, Rigo only passes the so-called "eye test." Problem is, the "eye test" can be wrong. That's why I'm unwilling to commit this early, there's not quite enough evidence. Four hundred amateur fights can't be discounted, but they don't tell the whole story. I agree with your assessment about Guillermo's reaction to adversity. The trouble with the Cuban fighters is that most have spent too much time in the amateurs. It's the language they speak. Now they're learning another language, the pros. As with anything else, when we're confronted with difficulty, we tend to revert back to what we're familiar with. I can't compare Rigondeaux with Narvaez; I didn't see his fight with Nonito. After I read what a snoozer it was, I didn't bother. Lol Anyway, I've watched Guillermo, off and on, ever since he won his first Olympic gold medal. I remember thinking what a shame it was that this guy couldn't turn pro. Now, miracle of miracles, it's happened! I just hope it's not too late. Rigo is special. If he never fulfills his promise, it won't be because he didn't have the talent...it'll be because he was too old to learn another language.

I understand that. but if that trend continues, at some point people are going to start really criticizing donaire for taking the "easy road", know what I'm saying? I think Rigondeaux needs another good win or two before he fights Donaire, I do understand the importance of timing, so don't get me wrong. But at the end of the day, all I want is for the best to fight the best. And it just rarely ever happens these days. the way I see it pertaining to this fight is this we all knew that after WV2, should he win, Top Rank and Donaire were targeting a big match up with Arce. In fact it looks like Arce is taking a tune up rather than fight someone of note. IMO I think it's specifically for this purpose also I have heard that Nonito is willing to travel to Japan to face Nishioka as Nishioka told a few people he no longer had the desire to fight anywhere but in Japan. in that span IMO Guillermo needs to establish himself as the only threat to Donaire. Donaire going through WV2 Arce and Nishioka is pretty impressive IMO

The guy needs to fight more that's all put the guy in PPV undercards or let him fight in Miami maybe he can create a fan base out there.

Guillermo has done nothing in the pros to make one think he'll beat Donaire. He hasn't beaten anyone of note and he hasn't had a great fight. What makes his fans (myself included) believe he can defeat anyone at 122 is his talent, foot and hand speed, skill and power. Of course, Rigo's amazing amateur career hasn't hurt our expectations. Do you base all your predictions on irrefutable evidence, or your considered observations? I would say both..... And I don't disagree with your observation of Rigo..... To me though it doesn't say he'll win.... Hang definitely but win based off those attributes no.... He will be looking at a man with attributes to rival his.... I've also seen posters refer to the Narvaez fight as proof that Rigo would win because of his defense..... One thing about that comparison that sticks out to me is Narvaez kept his hands up and would occasionally turn Donaire without a lot of movement.... Compare that to the defense employed by Rigo after he got hurt vs Cordoba and to me it's night and day.... Narvaez used his feet to pivot with slight movement while Rigo basically ran.... I can't help but think that after 400 am fights he wouldn't have a better defensive option when hurt opposed to running.... I personally think if he fights Donaire and Rigo gets touched he will revert back to what works..... Thoughts???

yeah we all understand that about fighters making money and whatnot, but as fans of the SPORT of boxing it is a shame that's it's more business than a legit sport. name all the fights that should be happening but aren't happening because business is business. It's an endless list. Not only does that suck for fans it also has hurt the sport tremendously, which really means that hurts many fighters pockets in the long run too. I get you bro and maybe it's because I work with fighters so often that I see their side more and more as it pertains to this fight if I were Donaire, I get past WV2, I immediately look towards an Arce match why? for obvious reasons money and exposure. It's an exciting fight while it lasts and it can boost Donaire's star potential

why? it's THEIR livelihoods not ours this is how they make their money so if someone wants to pursue a career path that makes them the most then who are we to sh1t on them? you have to realize the window to make the most money in a boxing career is very small unless you truly achieve a Mayweather Cotto or Pacquiao status I agree 100%. And I'll add this: The fighters and promoters offer a product; if I don't like that product, I'm not buying it. You wouldn't pay for food you dislike or buy clothes that don't suit your tastes, would you? Fans need to start voting with their wallets. Stop buying PPVs that don't meet your standards. They'll get the message. As long as fighters and promoters can make money on safe fights, they'll continue to do so.

At the end of the day boxing is business, which is a shame. why? it's THEIR livelihoods not ours this is how they make their money so if someone wants to pursue a career path that makes them the most then who are we to sh1t on them? you have to realize the window to make the most money in a boxing career is very small unless you truly achieve a Mayweather Cotto or Pacquiao status

I understand the am part of his career which is certainly impressive..... But what has he done in the PROS in his 9 fight career to make ppl think he's gonna stop the Donaire hype if he gets a chance??? Guillermo has done nothing in the pros to make one think he'll beat Donaire. He hasn't beaten anyone of note and he hasn't had a great fight. What makes his fans (myself included) believe he can defeat anyone at 122 is his talent, foot and hand speed, skill and power. Of course, Rigo's amazing amateur career hasn't hurt our expectations. Do you base all your predictions on irrefutable evidence, or your considered observations?

I understand the am part of his career which is certainly impressive..... But what has he done in the PROS in his 9 fight career to make ppl think he's gonna stop the Donaire hype if he gets a chance???

Would like to still see the fight.But rigo is a nobody.He hasint fought noone and has no fans. STFU, puta.

I don't think I'm being harsh at all. Remember, my original comment was response to someone claiming that the Cubans (all but Yuri) have a boring style and don't entertain. So, I chimed in to shed light on the subject. Because I think the Despaigne, Franco, and Jhonson are all very exciting fighters that are being very much overlooked. And though Yuri does give you a show every now and then, he's capable of stinking the place out on occasion too. I just think too much emphasis is put on the cubans that are in the forefront at the moment. And I think Rigo is taking too much flack for being "patient". It bothers me, as I'm a big fan of all the cuban fighters (not so much a Solis fan). Franco especially, as I was one of Outlaws (eric hunters) training partners leading up to the night Franco made him quit. That made me check him out ,and man, he puts on a show too - that dude comes to bang. As for Yuri being a dud, I think he's already a star in his own right. But I do feel as though he is an accident waiting to happen. I question how he fairs against a good counter puncher, mainly one capable of taking his power. I question this because Yuris chin is always way up and it's gotten him clipped a LOT in his career. I can see it leading to his defeat one day - it's one of the things I always look to see if they've corrected and it still exists. Very easy to hit during exchanges. I suppose we define "exciting" and "entertaining" somewhat differently. I don't consider Despaigne either. Franco I've only seen a little of on Youtube. Jhonson I think might just have a future, but I wouldn't call Yudel particularly entertaining (nor boring, for that matter). There's a reason why only certain Cuban fighters are getting all the attention: they stand out. If any of the others stood out, or stand out in the future, they would get greater exposure. I'm glad you enjoy all these guys so much. Gamboa's chin and perceived lack of defense has been discussed on these boards ad nauseam. I'd like to steer our discussion back to its original focus: whether Yuri is exciting or not. You seem to think he's losing his edge in that department; I disagree. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of fans would consider Gamboa the most electrifying of the Cuban fighters around today, even if he's been a little less than stellar lately. Good luck in your career. :fing02:

No, I didn't stop following boxing; I stopped following Despaigne. Unbeknownst to me, Yordanis had already taken another step in solidifying my belief that he has limited career potential. Thanks for the update. Awful to watch the second half of the Salido fight? You (and Kellerman perhaps) are being a little too harsh on Gamboa. As for the Ponce fight, a different Yuri showed up, but I wasn't exactly disappointed. Sure it wasn't the Gamboa we all prefer, but he was far from boring. My assertion stands: Yuriorkis is the Cuban with the greatest potential star power. If he turns out to be a dud, then a dud is the best we've got. But...somehow I doubt that.... I don't think I'm being harsh at all. Remember, my original comment was response to someone claiming that the Cubans (all but Yuri) have a boring style and don't entertain. So, I chimed in to shed light on the subject. Because I think the Despaigne, Franco, and Jhonson are all very exciting fighters that are being very much overlooked. And though Yuri does give you a show every now and then, he's capable of stinking the place out on occasion too. I just think too much emphasis is put on the cubans that are in the forefront at the moment. And I think Rigo is taking too much flack for being "patient". It bothers me, as I'm a big fan of all the cuban fighters (not so much a Solis fan). Franco especially, as I was one of Outlaws (eric hunters) training partners leading up to the night Franco made him quit. That made me check him out ,and man, he puts on a show too - that dude comes to bang. As for Yuri being a dud, I think he's already a star in his own right. But I do feel as though he is an accident waiting to happen. I question how he fairs against a good counter puncher, mainly one capable of taking his power. I question this because Yuris chin is always way up and it's gotten him clipped a LOT in his career. I can see it leading to his defeat one day - it's one of the things I always look to see if they've corrected and it still exists. Very easy to hit during exchanges.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg I'm not confusing Yordanis at all. Did you stop following boxing? Despaigne just lost like 2 weeks ago against Cornelius White. So my comment still remains - he is a headcase and can't win fights consistently. Whenever he gets hit, or is unable to hit his man he starts to play the machismo role - all plans go out the window and he loses it. Yuri got on his heels and pot shotted in almost every fight he was given a challenge in. Most recently he began doing it against De Leon before the W came, and it was AWFUL watching 6-12 against Salido. Kellerman addresses it almost every fight, saying it's hard to tell which Yuri will show. The blitzkrieg that he started out as, or the subtle boxer that he's becoming - no doubt because of his questionable beard. No, I didn't stop following boxing; I stopped following Despaigne. Unbeknownst to me, Yordanis had already taken another step in solidifying my belief that he has limited career potential. Thanks for the update. Awful to watch the second half of the Salido fight? You (and Kellerman perhaps) are being a little too harsh on Gamboa. As for the Ponce fight, a different Yuri showed up, but I wasn't exactly disappointed. Sure it wasn't the Gamboa we all prefer, but he was far from boring. My assertion stands: Yuriorkis is the Cuban with the greatest potential star power. If he turns out to be a dud, then a dud is the best we've got. But...somehow I doubt that....

I don't understand the comments about Gamboa "stinking the place up." I simply disagree. I believe Yuri to be, currently, the Cuban with the best chance at being a superstar. Gamboa has the style and ability to electrify. I see what you mean about Yudel; he could turn out to be a surprise. But your comments about Despaigne are confusing. Yordanis has lost only one fight. He really didn't look very impressive in losing to the "The Black Russian". In his next fight, Despaigne was rather embarrassing in a win against Edison Miranda. I really didn't like the way he played-up the low blows in order to get Miranda disqualified. That's supposed to be professional behavior? I think Despaigne's future as a pro is limited. I thought the same thing about Despaigne. It was almost like I thought the poster was confusing him with someone else. LOL. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg I'm not confusing Yordanis at all. Did you stop following boxing? Despaigne just lost like 2 weeks ago against Cornelius White. So my comment still remains - he is a headcase and can't win fights consistently. Whenever he gets hit, or is unable to hit his man he starts to play the machismo role - all plans go out the window and he loses it. Yuri got on his heels and pot shotted in almost every fight he was given a challenge in. Most recently he began doing it against De Leon before the W came, and it was AWFUL watching 6-12 against Salido. Kellerman addresses it almost every fight, saying it's hard to tell which Yuri will show. The blitzkrieg that he started out as, or the subtle boxer that he's becoming - no doubt because of his questionable beard.

At the end of the day boxing is business, which is a shame.

There will be a multitude of excuses, but at the end of the day, i believe Team Donaire will see Rigo across from them, and simply walk away as if he doesn't exist. I think Donaire sees that the style match-up doesn't work in his favor. What he SHOULD try to do is become undisputed champ at 122 before he moves up. Why are we even talking about the 118 lb champions? Let Arce/Mares/Moreno fight it out to see who becomes a viable contender for Donaire. Why the **** would Donaire move up to fight for a vacant belt, just to move back down to fight them if there's no real incentive? Assuming that Donaire continues to move up from now on, the only viable opponents are the champs/big names at 122-126. One thing I find interesting, Boxrec has Donaire rated #1 super bantamweight, but the dude hasn't even FOUGHT there yet lol that would be impossible to do without fighting rigo...nishioka and rigo are #1 and 2 right now...if nonito beats nishioka he becomes #1...in order to be the lineal champion, fighter 1 and 2 needs to fight(unless #2 has a legit reason to not fight, then # 3 replaces him) and the winner is the lineal champion....

Donaire has been aiming to fight Arce and Nishioka. Let's be honest those two bring more $$ to the table and are still very good fighters and are champions at the moment. There will be a multitude of excuses, but at the end of the day, i believe Team Donaire will see Rigo across from them, and simply walk away as if he doesn't exist. I think Donaire sees that the style match-up doesn't work in his favor. What he SHOULD try to do is become undisputed champ at 122 before he moves up. Why are we even talking about the 118 lb champions? Let Arce/Mares/Moreno fight it out to see who becomes a viable contender for Donaire. Why the **** would Donaire move up to fight for a vacant belt, just to move back down to fight them if there's no real incentive? Assuming that Donaire continues to move up from now on, the only viable opponents are the champs/big names at 122-126. One thing I find interesting, Boxrec has Donaire rated #1 super bantamweight, but the dude hasn't even FOUGHT there yet lol