why isn't Ortiz vs Berto II winner an option for Pacquiao?

Exactly. We all know how Top Rank operates, and neither Ortiz or Berto would be an in-house fight.

IMO the real question is why did Pacman leave a sellable unification fight with Berto on the table so Floyd could swoop in & beat his conquerer? Instead of beating all those old, shot or weightdrained fighters he could have actually fought someone worthwhile.

keep throwing these four names but they won't even mention the clear #3 WW as an option? or even Alexander vs Maidana winner at least. when was the last time Manny fought a high ranked WW? Cotto? - First and foremost they are not with TR, so Bob can't control everything and make as much money as he would and keep his fighters happy by giving them a shot at Manny. - Berto is managed by Haymon.....nuff said. - Both Berto and Ortiz would be very very live underdogs. Why risk it when you can have Manny fight Petersen or Cotto again??

because they arent toprank fighters. he cant under pay them or tell them to lose the fight.

The winner would be considered the #1 contender for Manny's belt. However neither fighter is with Top Rank, or willing to sign to Top Rank for a shot at Manny. Also Manny seems content with fighting rematches over guys he's already beat or fighting fighters with a low risk like Bradley or Peterson. Ortiz and Berto would be a High Risk for Manny, and with it looking like Manny is declining as a fighter Im not sure Top Rank would take that chance. If Many faced the winner of Betro/Ortiz I would actually consider buying his PPV

Berto-0rtiz winner is much better than fighting Cotto again. 1. Mayweather 2. Mayweather 3. Mayweather Those are his options. well tell floyd 50/50 its a done deal

i would like the winner of berto-ortiz to face manny.I think they have that right to face him over cotto,peterson,bradley. I agree but Manny will never face a young live wire. Just look at each and every one of his fights. The first 50 opponants are garbage no name fighters. The first young strong lion that was a threat to challenge Manny was Raheem the dream. Pacquiao straight dodge him. WHY is the question!

Do you think Arum would negotiation with anyone else ??? Lol

The matter is not one of quality of composition, but of boxing politics. Ortiz = Golden Boy (Schafer) Berto= Lou Dibella (Al Hayman managing Berto) Arum will not do major business with either Schafer nor Hayman. That simple.

I'm not pushing for him to fight the winner of Madiana vs Alexander thread is about the winner of Berto vs Ortiz II the clear 3rd best fighter behind May and Pacquiao. and Stop hyping Bradley guy fought what one top 5 in his division the last 3 years? I would love for him to fight Ortiz next but get used to seeing Bradley in there vs casamayor type from now on Then why even bother to mention Maidana-Alexander? We going to question Bradley resume while talking about Berto and Ortiz? Talk about hyping someone up :rofl:

Well ****, if Pac is going to fight the winner of Maidana-Alexander at 140? These are the type of convos that give me a headache. If we are using if Pac is going to fight Bradley at 140. Then what logic are we using to put the winner of Maidana-Alexander as an option? Considering after the Maidana-Alexander fight all 3 would have exactly one fight at 147? LOL @ Ortiz stopping Bradley. :rofl: All this because he beat an average fighter in Berto. :nonono: I'm not pushing for him to fight the winner of Madiana vs Alexander thread is about the winner of Berto vs Ortiz II the clear 3rd best fighter behind May and Pacquiao. and Stop hyping Bradley guy fought what one top 5 in his division the last 3 years? I would love for him to fight Ortiz next but get used to seeing Bradley in there vs casamayor type from now on

because pacquiao is going to fight mayweather. ha ha ha

is Pacquiao planing on fighting him at 140? different divisions Victor Ortiz with size advantage would stop Bradley at 147 Berto would probably be the favorite against him also and please don't give me that pacfans come back "they both would weight the same come fight night" Well ****, if Pac is going to fight the winner of Maidana-Alexander at 140? These are the type of convos that give me a headache. If we are using if Pac is going to fight Bradley at 140. Then what logic are we using to put the winner of Maidana-Alexander as an option? Considering after the Maidana-Alexander fight all 3 would have exactly one fight at 147? LOL @ Ortiz stopping Bradley. :rofl: All this because he beat an average fighter in Berto. :nonono:

why would anyone pic berto or ortiz to be the favorite over cotto? Because ortiz beat someone who got a questionable win against collazo? ^^^ thank you...

Because, Bradley is the kind of the division that Maidana and Alexander are coming from. And, Bradley is a much better overall fighter than any of those 4 name and also more versatile than any of those 4 named. dddd Bradley is actually a damn good fighter maybe P4P level type of fighter or at the very least borderline. The other 4 fighters are above average at best. That's why Bradley doesn't get the :rofl: while they do. is Pacquiao planing on fighting him at 140? different divisions Victor Ortiz with size advantage would stop Bradley at 147 Berto would probably be the favorite against him also and please don't give me that pacfans come back "they both would weight the same come fight night"

why would Bradley not be :rofl: but The winner of Berto-Ortiz or Maidana-Alexander is Because, Bradley is the kind of the division that Maidana and Alexander are coming from. And, Bradley is a much better overall fighter than any of those 4 name and also more versatile than any of those 4 named. dddd Bradley is actually a damn good fighter maybe P4P level type of fighter or at the very least borderline. The other 4 fighters are above average at best. That's why Bradley doesn't get the :rofl: while they do.

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Personally for me? Floyd of course but JMM or Bradley. That's it. That's the only 3 options you need. Peterson/Cotto? :pat: The winner of Berto-Ortiz or Maidana-Alexander? :rofl: why would Bradley not be :rofl: but The winner of Berto-Ortiz or Maidana-Alexander is

hell yes I would pick Berto Ortiz and Bradley over Cotto at 147-154 why would anybody think Cotto would be the favorite? because of him beating Froeman Mayorga and Margarito at catchweight :killyou: Why would anyone pic Berto or Ortiz to be the favorite over Cotto? Because Ortiz beat someone who got a questionable win against Collazo?

Personally for me? Floyd of course but JMM or Bradley. That's it. That's the only 3 options you need. Peterson/Cotto? :pat: The winner of Berto-Ortiz or Maidana-Alexander? :rofl: mas puto wey:gay: