Jean Pascal: Just heard Froch vs Bute wont happen

That's really all your meek deflective response warranted. Try and keep up son. So Jean Paul Mendy is a greater fighter than Taylor is because he has "some wins" at 168? :lol1: Try another sport, sweety.

They shouldn't giving him that much credit because he is totally untested and his best win is Johnson who Froch beat before him. I agree with you but they are giving him the credit, and until he fights someone that makes his pretty record a little uglier people will continue talking about him as a great. I personally don't see him as that great, I'm just going on what I hear and it seems like Bute's camp feel he can handle anyone at super middleweight without a problem.

This sucks if true. Froch needs a rebound fight quick to get the smell of the Ward loss off his back.

They shouldn't giving him that much credit because he is totally untested and his best win is Johnson who 15 guys beat before him. I fixed it for you

Bute had an opportunity to engage in the tournament himself but he didnt. Id rather see Ward-Bute as well but to say Bute has "proven himself" especially more than Froch is wrong (to be kind). Its actually retarded to suggest that if im being honest. That's not true. Bute was never invited to participate in the Super Six. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7372586/andre-ward-lucian-bute-bout-looks-unlikely-time-being Bute was clearly one of the top fighters in the division when former Showtime boxing chief Ken Hershman, who masterminded the tournament, declined to invite him to participate. That incorrect decision was a double-whammy for Bute. Not only was he left out of a tournament he obviously belonged in, but with so many of the division's top fighters tied up in the event, Bute's field of attractive opponents became that much smaller.

Fantasy fights don't work for me. This is why I was very happy to hear that Froch/Bute was gonna pop off not once, but twice. If Ward isn't willing to face him right away, than who else is Bute supposed to fight? His fight with Froch would make perfect sense. Bute doesn't have anyone on his resume that is ranked as high as Froch is, period. It's a fight that should happen, because even if he fights and beats Ward, he still can't say he beat Froch. I don't believe in triangle-theories either lol. Do I think Bute can beat Froch? Sure. And if he believes he can, why shouldn't he? I don't like/believe in fantasy fights either, every fight is different because of the individual fighting styles and hundreds of other factors. But comparing styles and abilities pre-fight, it seems Bute would have the advantage on Carl Froch. I feel like at this point Bute would love to fight Ward, would settle for Froch, and would probably take Kessler, either Dirrell, or Arthur Abraham if he couldn't get any others. IMO he would be willing to fight any participant from the Super Six, just to prove his ability. I agree, Froch would be Bute's toughest opponent to date by a long shot, and it should happen, but I was only responding after the original thread poster claimed that the Bute-Froch 2 fight deal wasn't happening because Bute and Ward were negotiating. Either fight would be a huge step up for Bute, but I don't think Ward will want to fight him right away or possibly ever, because there is other potential competition for him when he wants to fight again.

My point exactly lol. Why put Froch up against Bute for a guaranteed Bute victory, when you could pit Ward against Bute to prove who is elite at super middleweight! Froch has proven to be a hard fighter like you said, but it takes a certain will to win and he couldn't exhibit that against Andre Ward when Ward only had one good hand. Fantasy fights don't work for me. This is why I was very happy to hear that Froch/Bute was gonna pop off not once, but twice. If Ward isn't willing to face him right away, than who else is Bute supposed to fight? His fight with Froch would make perfect sense. Bute doesn't have anyone on his resume that is ranked as high as Froch is, period. It's a fight that should happen, because even if he fights and beats Ward, he still can't say he beat Froch. I don't believe in triangle-theories either lol. Do I think Bute can beat Froch? Sure. And if he believes he can, why shouldn't he?

Showtime really f*cked up with Bute and now they are trying to bail themselves out. They signed Bute to a 4 fight deal and then let him fight 3 bums. Now they only have him for 1 more fight and of course they want it to be Ward since they have paid him for a bunch of one sided fights. They can't force Ward-Bute to happen if neither guy is ready now, but they can refuse to televise them fighting other opponents in the meantime. If Showtime holds out and says "we're only going to televise you guys against each other." it might get them the fight they want but it will likely damage the relationship and give both guys an easy excuse to bolt for HBO afterwards.

Ward's style is tailor-made for Bute's uppercuts. So do you think Ward or Bute win in a matchup? I agree about the uppercuts, but Bute would have to catch Ward and hurt him badly to win, otherwise Ward by decision. I just don't know if Bute would be able to hit Ward early and often, but his pressure would be key in that fight.

Ward's style is tailor-made for Bute's uppercuts.

Bute would give a great show no matter who the guy was he fought Finally, someone who agrees with me! lol. Bute may fight weak opponents but he has a good style and is confident, two things essential for a great match.

Bute had an opportunity to engage in the tournament himself but he didnt. Id rather see Ward-Bute as well but to say Bute has "proven himself" especially more than Froch is wrong (to be kind). Its actually retarded to suggest that if im being honest. Oh from the way I had interpreted it at the start of the tournament Bute was being left out of the fights, not trying to avoid them. If he was trying to duck the tournament, then he has had no reason to complain the last 2 and half years that he deserves to be in the super 6. I never said Bute had proven himself more than Froch, all I said was Bute had proven he was the better fighter than Froch. He hasn't faced anywhere near the level of competition that Froch has experienced, but he has shown a smart style that has proven lethal against all competition he has faced so far. I don't think Bute is anywhere near perfect (I really don't even like him), and I think if he faced Ward he would lose just like Froch did, but I do think Bute has the upper hand on Froch in the ring with his fundamentals, accuracy, and ability to strategically pick his opponent apart.

LOL then agree to disagree, because no matter what either of us says it will be decided in the ring. But I think more people would want to see Ward-Bute than Froch-Bute, just because of Froch's recent fights. I have never said that Bute is fighting top competition. I think his toughest opponent was in his last fight againt Johnson, but Johnson was a Super Six alternate and Bute easily outpointed him, sparring partners or not that counts for something. Froch didn't start facing real competition until right before the Super Six began, and while the tournament was occuring Bute had no opportunities to face top talent because they were all engaged in the tournament. Bute had an opportunity to engage in the tournament himself but he didnt. Id rather see Ward-Bute as well but to say Bute has "proven himself" especially more than Froch is wrong (to be kind). Its actually retarded to suggest that if im being honest.

Of course he wants to fight them now. They've been going to war against top competition for the past 2/3 years whilst hes feasted on a line of bums! LOL then agree to disagree, because no matter what either of us says it will be decided in the ring. But I think more people would want to see Ward-Bute than Froch-Bute, just because of Froch's recent fights. I have never said that Bute is fighting top competition. I think his toughest opponent was in his last fight againt Johnson, but Johnson was a Super Six alternate and Bute easily outpointed him, sparring partners or not that counts for something. Froch didn't start facing real competition until right before the Super Six began, and while the tournament was occuring Bute had no opportunities to face top talent because they were all engaged in the tournament.

i dont need you to tell me what sparring does, what i need you to tell me is what it had to do with the Bute-Johnson fight. Johnson lost that fight badly, and performed decently well against Froch, albeit in a loss. Froch has lost to Kessler and Ward, split decision with Dirrell, and knocked out Taylor's old ass. I will give credit for the Pascal fight, but I don't think Abraham even belonged in the Super Six and the Johnson fight was a sorry showing by Froch where it should have been a unanimous decision. I get the impression from your posts you are a big Froch fan, so sorry to burst your bubble, but no matter what you choose to say he isn't worthy of a title, which is why he no longer has one :) And Bute ducked the Super Six but wants to fight the champion of the event. Something about that doesn't seem right. Seems like you need to let it go, Bute may fight bums but he wins and has big fan appeal, which is why he should be in the talks for a Ward matchup, and leave Froch to fight at home against "real talent". Of course he wants to fight them now. They've been going to war against top competition for the past 2/3 years whilst hes feasted on a line of bums!

Sparring familiarises opponents with each other leading to the kind of dull, uninspired fight we got with Bute-Johnson were they just went through the motions. Froch has lost one fight that you could consider a "bad" loss and that was to Ward. I dont know what you were watching but he gave it his best effort but was simply not equipped to beat Ward. I get the impression from your posts that you dont really know what you're watching anyway. Froch has beaten or fought on terms with Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham and Johnson. Bute has fought bums and a sparring partner i dont need you to tell me what sparring does, what i need you to tell me is what it had to do with the Bute-Johnson fight. Johnson lost that fight badly, and performed decently well against Froch, albeit in a loss. Froch has lost to Kessler and Ward, split decision with Dirrell, and knocked out Taylor's old ass. I will give credit for the Pascal fight, but I don't think Abraham even belonged in the Super Six and the Johnson fight was a sorry showing by Froch where it should have been a unanimous decision. I get the impression from your posts you are a big Froch fan, so sorry to burst your bubble, but no matter what you choose to say he isn't worthy of a title, which is why he no longer has one :) And Bute ducked the Super Six but wants to fight the champion of the event. Something about that doesn't seem right. Seems like you need to let it go, Bute may fight bums but he wins and has big fan appeal, which is why he should be in the talks for a Ward matchup, and leave Froch to fight at home against "real talent".

the next step in your boxing education styles make fights triangle theories never work in boxing ali, fraizer and foreman cotto, mosley and margo many more examples as well lol thanks for the assistance, and for showing up at the end of an argument randomly to get your 2 cents in. well done.

lol you can insult Bute's opposition all you want but he is the one with the title. All Froch has is a bruised ego and the mindset that he only loses because "he was 3000 miles from home". What a sorry excuse. Bute should have been in the Super Six, then your little fighter wouldn't have made it to Ward anyways and we wouldnt be having this discussion Its a shame Bute ducked the Super Six

At least they had some wins at 168 :bottle: That's really your response?

LOL sorry about mixed decision, meant to be majority decision, was just thinking too far ahead and not really paying attention. And no I wouldn't consider Taylor a bum, more past his prime than anything. Definetly not a top-class KO by any means. Froch clearly beat Johnson, but not with the same amount of comfort that Bute had in his outpointing. So what if they sparred in the past? Wouldn't that make it more difficult for Bute, because Johnson would know how to fight Bute since he had seen him in the ring previously? Froch has a better track record of getting into title fights, then losing badly. No offense, thats just what I have gotten from him. He didn't even want to fight back against Ward he was hesitant to do anything but run around the ring. How is that a better fighter than the IBF titlist? the next step in your boxing education styles make fights triangle theories never work in boxing ali, fraizer and foreman cotto, mosley and margo many more examples as well