Wins over
raul marquez
william joppy
bernard hopkins
kassim ouma
corie spinks
jeff lacy
arguable win over pavlik in 2nd fight
draw with winky wright
valiant fight against abraham and froch the latter of which he was dominating before being caught
Wins over
raul marquez
william joppy
bernard hopkins
kassim ouma
corie spinks
jeff lacy
arguable win over pavlik in 2nd fight
draw with winky wright
valiant fight against abraham and froch the latter of which he was dominating before being caught
Hands down lost the second fight against Pavlik, it wasn't even a close fight. Don't know what are you talking about.
For Taylor atleast he fought named opponents and lost good solid fighters. Even in his loses he was in the fight and not getting dominated
What argument?
That's a clear loss.
You can make a better argument for Spinks beating Taylor.
Or Hopkins over Taylor in the first fight.
to me the loss wasnt that clear...scored it for taylor with a point in his favor the first time panda saw it and a draw the second time
to me pavlik didnt clearly win the second fight
The level of success Cory Spinks achieved with no pop at all makes him extremely impressive in my eyes,imagine if him and Paulie had pop they might be in the p4p discussion.
spinks was acctually ranked #3 p4p at one point back when he was undisputed WW champion.
he deserved it too, he went to italy and beat piccirillo for the first. takes balls to fight a champion (who has a win on you) in his home county when you cant punch a lick. then he beat mayorga who collected his two belts seperatley knocking out andrew lewis and vernon forrest. then he defended against judah who only lost to tszyu back then and was on a hot streak since (including winning a world title).
spinks gets severely overrated around here (and in general). he was a very good fighter in his prime, not great or one of the best of his era but a good fighter and tough oponent for anyone.
Like I said, I love me some Jermain, but really? You think he's more relevant than Cotto, Marquez, Pacquiao Mayweather and Hopkins? I'd say Taylor is on about the same level of Paul Williams. I wouldn't say either one is more relevant than the other.
And come on, that Nicklow dude couldn't hurt a fly.
I agree with this post
How "active and relevant" is Jermain?
he wasn't up until recently he obviously had 2 year lay off he's now back and just beat his opponent landing 70% accuracy
I love Jermain. I have rooted for him in every single fight in his career, bit no way is it the best. Hopkins, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Roy Jones, Holyfield, Margarito, Mosley, Marquez, Barrera, Cotto, Morales and I would even say Paul Williams all have better resumes. They just have more W's where Jermain has D's and L's. They also have many more fights, in number, on their resumes.
But Jermain has as much heart as any of 'em.
almost everyone you named is retired or irrelevant and virtually retired. I meant active and relevant fighters
He never backed down, just a shame how brutal his losses were.
brutal losses is what happens when you fight EVERYONE put in front of you. may***** and the others would probably have brutal losses too if they fought errbody they sposed to.
That's why Wlad has a few brutal losses but is still the most dominant champion today because true champions fight ERRBODY
Taylor has a solid resume and has fought some of the best fighters around his weight class.
Unfortunately for him, he has lost to most of them ( Pavlik x2, Froch, Abraham).
It's nowhere near the best either.
He has two close wins over Hopkins but after that it's not all that strong.
A draw with Wright which i think most fans thought he lost.
Ouma, Marquez and Spinks ( close fight) were decent but nothing special.
Joppy and Lacy were past it and never that good to begin with.
this. no disrespect to taylor tho. dudes a warrior.
Yeah it seems like losses are ignored a lot around here.
Yea...but this is NSB. No surprise. "But at least he fought the best fighters and didn't complain!" Yea..that's good and all, but if he's losing his resume isn't all that great.
Fighting the best doesn't mean great resume or else Ricardo Mayorga would be the GOAT.
And the thread stops here.
Wins over
raul marquez
william joppy
bernard hopkins
kassim ouma
corie spinks
jeff lacy
arguable win over pavlik in 2nd fight
draw with winky wright
valiant fight against abraham and froch the latter of which he was dominating before being caught
What argument?
That's a clear loss.
You can make a better argument for Spinks beating Taylor.
Or Hopkins over Taylor in the first fight.
Taylor has a solid resume and has fought some of the best fighters around his weight class.
Unfortunately for him, he has lost to most of them ( Pavlik x2, Froch, Abraham).
It's nowhere near the best either.
He has two close wins over Hopkins but after that it's not all that strong.
A draw with Wright which i think most fans thought he lost.
Ouma, Marquez and Spinks ( close fight) were decent but nothing special.
Joppy and Lacy were past it and never that good to begin with.