Why are old-timers completely overrated???

Amazes me how so many people blame others for their LOW IQ. Reread what I what I wrote. I’m not reading it back to you. If your reading comprehension is for sheeit. Go back to school. A dr is better suited for these crazy people

If you can do 12 you can do 15, it is that simple, its all relative to their output, they don't just go from 3 rounders to 15 they work their way up to it which builds acquired muscle memory. most top level pros can come off the street with little training and go a good 6 to 8 rounds. You skipped over the bit where they used to fight 20 and 40 round fights while it is so relative to the point being made, you're overthinking the basics of human conditioning in terms of output vs recovery time and trying to make this task bigger than what it is, as I said if youre a world class fighter that can fight a championship 12 rounder you can handle 15 no problems at all. If you can do 12 you can do 15, it is that simple, its all relative to their output, they don't just go from 3 rounders to 15 they work their way up to it which builds acquired muscle memory. most top level pros can come off the street with little training and go a good 6 to 8 rounds. You skipped over the bit where they used to fight 20 and 40 round fights while it is so relative to the point being made, you're overthinking the basics of human conditioning in terms of output vs recovery time and trying to make this task bigger than what it is, as I said if youre a world class fighter that can fight a championship 12 rounder you can handle 15 no problems at all. I agree as far as pure conditioning goes. But I'm referring to the nuances that arise when you actually do it. For example, yes 12 rounds requires you to pace yourself. But there are times in the fight where you either overpace yourself by saving energy or underpace yourself by exerting too much. You won't always be able to perfectly pace yourself without cost. Sometimes that means you losing rounds from low activity or getting clipped or ko'ed. And sometimes it can mean you not getting the opponent out of there when you had the chance. Pacing will always be a matter of strategy and it's not generally a good idea to try to keep it fixed every round. Look at Klitschko vs Joshua. Klitschko could have won had he just expended more energy rather than trying to be smart and conserve it for later. AJ won because he did not and went for broke both early on and late in the fight when the time seemed right. He wasn't caught up trying to perfectly plan every phase of the fight. And when he when he was all gassed out, he had to rely purely on mental grit and determination to stay afloat - a quality he's since lost by becoming too focused on planning things out. Wilder went through a similar thing with Fury in the 3rd fight. He probably had no chance of winning on points. He invested in a ko and underpaced himself by going for broke. It didn't pay off but it was his best shot and he came close. On another day or with another opponent, it might have worked. And when he was all gassed out, he had to fight on pure mental determination. We've already seen other fighters quit on the stool or fight with no heart like AJ vs Usyk in that circumstance in 12 round fights. Imagine fighters having to fight on mental determination for 15 round fights. Not everyone who fights 12 rounds now will be able handle fighting like that for 15, they will mentally break. Furthermore, some fighters just lack the stamina to perform well for 15 rounds. Most world class fighters today are already at peak conditioning, they can't train more to increase their stamina. We all have limits. Broner for example can barely go 12 rounds in a fight, imagine 15. His work rate would be even lower, perhaps too low to have ever been a world champion. Same goes for Canelo. He always makes mistakes in the middle to late rounds against elite opponents because of fatigue. It would be even worse in a 15 round fight, especially if the other opponent just has more stamina. And as far as 20 or 40 round fights go, it ultimately makes no difference. Two fighters could be in a 1000 round fight and all that would mean is that they fight till ko or someone quits. Either way, pacing will still be a part of strategy. Over exerting yourself may prove to be more costly in a 40 round fight over a 20 round one. Just as overexterting yourself in a 15 round fight may be more costly than in a 12 rounder. But either way, it always come down to strategy. Just my opinion on it. ​

That's BS, 12 or 15 rounds make little difference to championship-level fighters, they are in shape and pace themselves to go the distance whatever that distance is, its all relative to output, are you saying the guys that did 40 rounds were superhuman lol, they were slugs throwing a few punches per round lumbering around for 20 rounds, the fighters today are in better shape and more explosive than pre-70s fighters, it's all to do with conditioning the human boy scientifically, that's the reason all records keep getting broken by modern athletes. Amazes me how so many people blame others for their LOW IQ. Reread what I what I wrote. I’m not reading it back to you. If your reading comprehension is for sheeit. Go back to school.

100% old timers are severaly overrated. Most would be club fighters In the modern era. Another person who can see good and isn't insane yet im so called a liar for saying this truth to these crazy idiots for every site that every existed im wrong yet no video has even been presented showing these 30s-40s fighters having the same advances in movement as 70s-90s fighters

People like to romanticize the past and it's no different when it comes to fighters. To me, fighters in the 80s were the best in terms of honed skills and technique. It makes me chuckle when somebody says that Jack Johnson would beat the brakes off of today's HWs. He certainly wouldnt do that with his primitive ass, caveman approach. Wilder would destroy him early. Wlad vs Marciano is not even a fair fight. Marciano would get a worse beating than Chris Byrd and it would get ugly quick. Johnson latmotta louis all these guys would be destroyed by mutiple no names and mid carders from 70s-now thats how much more advanced these era's are and its very easy to see this but crazy idiots seem to not be able to see advances very odd

It's nowhere near that simple. In my opinion there's a huge difference between 12 and 15 rounds. You can only pace yourself so much, especially in a tough fight. Eventually you're just going to have to push yourself in a way that you can't fully plan or calculate. It's not like these guys are just punching speed bags for 15 rounds. They're trying to hit and avoid getting it by other world class fighters. That's going to get harder and harder to do as the rounds go on and not just in a physical way but also a mental one. What if you're in a real tough fight with a huge puncher or a guy who's faster than you or if your hand is broken? 15 rounds, much more often then 12, is going to force you to go the distance in a way that requires pure metal by which i mean mental strength. It's not something you can really train by exercising. I remember Ali said he felt like he was going to die in the later rounds in Ali vs Fraiser III. But guess what, did he stop the fight? No, he kept pushing on even if it meant possible death. I'm not saying I recommend that but not all fighters are going to have that mental fortitude. Imagine Broner or Anthony Joshua performing well under pressure in a tough fight for 15 rounds. Or even Canelo who's mentally strong but does not have as much stamina. He's going to start making mistakes in the later rounds which we've already saw with 12. At the world stage there's a huge difference between 12 vs 15 round fights that I believe would weed out a lot of today's fighters. And records in certain sports mean nothing since they're always relative to the competition and ref culture in terms of what refs let you get away with. I mean look at the amount ko's Wilder and GGG have. They were probably on the verge of breaking records. But the second they stepped up in competition, the ko's stopped. As long as a fighter avoids stepping up, they can probably break any record they want. And fighting their little one or two fights a year against fighters of their choice is completely different from fighting more often against opponents you have less control over picking. If you can do 12 you can do 15, it is that simple, its all relative to their output, they don't just go from 3 rounders to 15 they work their way up to it which builds acquired muscle memory. most top level pros can come off the street with little training and go a good 6 to 8 rounds. You skipped over the bit where they used to fight 20 and 40 round fights while it is so relative to the point being made, you're overthinking the basics of human conditioning in terms of output vs recovery time and trying to make this task bigger than what it is, as I said if youre a world class fighter that can fight a championship 12 rounder you can handle 15 no problems at all.

That's BS, 12 or 15 rounds make little difference to championship-level fighters, they are in shape and pace themselves to go the distance whatever that distance is, its all relative to output, are you saying the guys that did 40 rounds were superhuman lol, they were slugs throwing a few punches per round lumbering around for 20 rounds, the fighters today are in better shape and more explosive than pre-70s fighters, it's all to do with conditioning the human boy scientifically, that's the reason all records keep getting broken by modern athletes. It's nowhere near that simple. In my opinion there's a huge difference between 12 and 15 rounds. You can only pace yourself so much, especially in a tough fight. Eventually you're just going to have to push yourself in a way that you can't fully plan or calculate. It's not like these guys are just punching speed bags for 15 rounds. They're trying to hit and avoid getting it by other world class fighters. That's going to get harder and harder to do as the rounds go on and not just in a physical way but also a mental one. What if you're in a real tough fight with a huge puncher or a guy who's faster than you or if your hand is broken? 15 rounds, much more often then 12, is going to force you to go the distance in a way that requires pure metal by which i mean mental strength. It's not something you can really train by exercising. I remember Ali said he felt like he was going to die in the later rounds in Ali vs Fraiser III. But guess what, did he stop the fight? No, he kept pushing on even if it meant possible death. I'm not saying I recommend that but not all fighters are going to have that mental fortitude. Imagine Broner or Anthony Joshua performing well under pressure in a tough fight for 15 rounds. Or even Canelo who's mentally strong but does not have as much stamina. He's going to start making mistakes in the later rounds which we've already saw with 12. At the world stage there's a huge difference between 12 vs 15 round fights that I believe would weed out a lot of today's fighters. And records in certain sports mean nothing since they're always relative to the competition and ref culture in terms of what refs let you get away with. I mean look at the amount ko's Wilder and GGG have. They were probably on the verge of breaking records. But the second they stepped up in competition, the ko's stopped. As long as a fighter avoids stepping up, they can probably break any record they want. And fighting their little one or two fights a year against fighters of their choice is completely different from fighting more often against opponents you have less control over picking.

Though I agree with you to a point. You have to remember something that most on here know sheeit about. Those old fights WERE NOT 12 round fights. It’s like comparing a gold winning sprinter to marathoner. I’ll use something you can understand like comparing basketball to golf. Two very different games. That's BS, 12 or 15 rounds make little difference to championship-level fighters, they are in shape and pace themselves to go the distance whatever that distance is, its all relative to output, are you saying the guys that did 40 rounds were superhuman lol, they were slugs throwing a few punches per round lumbering around for 20 rounds, the fighters today are in better shape and more explosive than pre-70s fighters, it's all to do with conditioning the human boy scientifically, that's the reason all records keep getting broken by modern athletes.

Boxing doesn’t seem to be measurable like other sports, it’s very opinion based. Even the outcome of a fight, barring a KO, is opinion based. Determined by 3 old men/women. Even knock downs can be opinion based. A referee can call a legit KD a “slip” and this happens even now, in 2023. In a sport like basketball, NBA, it’s very measurable. No one on Earth can argue against the fact that players from the 80s+ are way better than the all-white NBA players. Because it’s measurable. With boxing, it’s measured more by words and rankings than something that’s actually measurable.

100% old timers are severaly overrated. Most would be club fighters In the modern era. And exactly what metrics are you using to come to that determination?

fighters of the past fighting on same day weigh-ins, at least 10-15 times a year, in eras of 10 weight classes and one belt are considered overrated, but todays superstars fighting TWICE a year at the most against guys some of us have never seen fight or heard of are the best ever. That doesn't make sense to me, but hopefully it does to someone..

100% old timers are severaly overrated. Most would be club fighters In the modern era.

It's a joke. They did well in their era but there judgement is mainly on newspaper articles and stories that got past on and on.. Watch footage of the fighters: There is hardly any footage on Greb yet he ranked higher than Floyd. OK fair enough but read the first comment on that video. "This guy's punches are almost too fast for the eye too see and they're coming in all directions. He would have been a huge challenge for Monzon and Hagler no doubt" Be serious, please. Delusional Though I agree with you to a point. You have to remember something that most on here know sheeit about. Those old fights WERE NOT 12 round fights. It’s like comparing a gold winning sprinter to marathoner. I’ll use something you can understand like comparing basketball to golf. Two very different games.

Please spare me this "new fighters are so great" bs. You can only compare fighters based on similar conditions regarding performance. In other words if they're generally performing under the same obstacles. Outside of that, there is no linear way to compare them. Furthermore fighters back in the day fought way more often and couldn't just pick which opponent they want to test them as easily. Mayweather is considered an ATG and is probably least proven fighter in that category that you could mention. Dela Hoya is more proven than him. Mayweather to my knowledge has never fought a single mandatory or a fighter in his prime. But he gets more credit than people that have. F outta here. And no, I don't care how many world champions he beat. Every division will almost always have a world champion but can go months or years without a truly elite fighter. Or may only have one or two elite champions at a time. A world title by itself is almost meaningless without the context of the competition at the time. That's why a fighter is proven by beating elite fighters near their prime and mandatories at least if there's no other way to demonstrate they're fighting truly random styles. Again something Mayweather, an ATG, has never done. And no matter how low ranked a fighter is, they can always make you at least look bad on the right day and with the right style. All ATG's in the past had to deal with fighters like that, whether through a mandatory or otherwise. They got rocked or buzzed by nobodies. So did Andre Ward vs Daniel Boon, that's what happens when you truly fight random styles. And it happens all combat sports too btw. This new concept in boxing of lower ranked fighters being so effortlessly beatable it's not even worth it, is just a silly marketing gimmick that gullible fans buy in to. Imagine if fighters today had to fight as often and as random opponents as back then? You just assume they'd win every fight effortlessly? You're giving them credit for something they haven't proven they could do and not enough credit to those who actually did it. And look how close Mayweather vs Dela Hoya was when Dela Hoya was nearly retired. What if Dela Hoya had been 2 or 3 years younger? What if Mayweather actually fought a slick mandatory he didn't get to pick? Or elite fighters, like Dela Hoya, but in their prime? Would he have looked so amazing? Cause he didn't against a nearly retired Dela Hoya. I mean by today's standards Tank is on his way to being an ATG. Canelo would've easily been as great or greater than Mayweather had he not made the mistake of actually fighting elite fighters near their prime - the only times he looked bad btw. I'd give way more credit to fighters of the past like Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard than fighters today. It's not even close. The only throw back fighter today is Tyson Fury. The rest engage is this silly new marketing gimmick in one way or another.

Boxing seems to have fully evolved into it's current meta in the mid 40's. It peaked skill wise in the 70's/80's. Stamina, speed, power, movement...all peaked in during that period

It was 6 divisions back then. Same day weigh in. Those dudes were all in their real weight classes.

This is ******ed. When people reference Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Current Fighter-- they mean Sugar Ray Robinson given all of today's technology, nutrition, and training methods. They do not mean Marvin Hagler doing his roadwork in boots vs. Current Fighter with all of today's advantages. Just as they do not expect Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao to fight SSR without any knowledge of interval training, modern running equipment, etc. OMG that took like 30 seconds of logical reasoning. I mean, try it sometime. Haha Correctomundo.

Seriously, there's this bastard on youtube who made a video the other day bashing all these old fighters.... but he said something along the lines of; "If Gatti and Ward had been filmed in Black & White -- they'd have gone down as ATGs." When I think about it, that's kind of true. Pick any sport and you can say the same. But you would be transporting men that stand on the shoulders of giants back in time with the tools they wouldn’t have if guys like Dempsey, Johnson, et al, hadn’t have existed. Babe Ruth looks silly swinging a bat, yet that same man would be a beast in today’s game. Human beings haven’t evolved at all in 100 years; it’s too short a time to evolve physically. What has evolved is knowledge of many things that make people better at sports these days. Take Gatti and Ward back in time without the modern advantages they’ve enjoyed and they would fare no better than they have in the modern era. “Sugar” Ray Robison would wipe the floor with Bud Crawford on an even playing field.

People like to romanticize the past and it's no different when it comes to fighters. To me, fighters in the 80s were the best in terms of honed skills and technique. It makes me chuckle when somebody says that Jack Johnson would beat the brakes off of today's HWs. He certainly wouldnt do that with his primitive ass, caveman approach. Wilder would destroy him early. Wlad vs Marciano is not even a fair fight. Marciano would get a worse beating than Chris Byrd and it would get ugly quick.

Crazy people on this site and others don't watch full matches and are to lazy to cause of being exposed i have seen mutiple and louis looks trash with the whole era that goes for all divisions same with dempsey era trash compared to 70s-now and 70s compared to 80s were basic