If Pac and Marquez do it 100x over. still will be the same result.. They are yin and yang.. They cancel each other out. Predictable fight. I call it a draw again for sure but someone will win and it will always be a controversy to the losing side.. so why the hell do we want to see it?? There is no more intrigue in that fight. Very predictable. It's like watching the first 3 fights.. It will be dejavu all over again..
There is only one fight that matters at this point of Pac's career and he can ride of to the sunset win or lose. It's Floyd. After that he can retire. he has nothing else to prove. Now that Floyd is in prison, I say pac should just chill and rest and wait for Floyd to show up.. Anything else won't improve his legacy.. No need for tune-ups.. Pac ain't getting any younger, just battle worn, he should wait for the big payday and conserve what is left in his warrior spirit. Just wait for Floyd to show up and all the hype it will generate all the anticipation and boom win or lose pac had a great run.
Pac has done a lot in boxing there is nothing more to prove.. Fought like a real warrior 50 plus fights.. He has done a lot for boxing. One man is left to get the 1000 pound gorilla of his back and that is Floyd..
It's all that matters..Other fights just won't cut it.. He has to consider his wear and tear. While his arch nemesis is resting in jail and has been fighting once a year, pac is just being battle worn and when he is ready for the picking Floyd will show up to take advantage of him. Same as what happened to Marvin Haggler when he logged in a lot of hard fought battles and was very worn that's when sugar ray showed up..
Haggler already mentioned this to Pac. Pac should learn from history..
And when Floyd outclasses him that will the excuse used no doubt....
Im not for a 4th JMM match, id rather see Pacquaio face Cotto or Bradley
Yup, it can be an excuse coz Pac is getting battle worn every time he steps in the ring with an opponent. He is a warrior who loves to bang. His fighting style makes him susceptible to decay faster.
That is why as I said in the post. pac should just rest and wait for Floyd to show up. His last dance to cap of his stellar career. He has done so much in boxing. Floyd vs Pac is the exclamation point win or lose.
The thing is there is no certainty when doing biz with Floyd. Too many question marks.. Floyd might want to take a longer vacation after being locked in jail.
Floyd should leave a comment to us boxing fans that he is fighting sometime this year with a definite month so that pac and arum can decide their options. Coz knowing Floyd he might not even fight this year.
Completely agree. Pac can't let his own career be dependent on Floyd's, after all, it wasn't his fault Floyd got convicted and locked up. Pac can't even assume Floyd will fight him after he gets out of jail whether this year or next. He should take the next best thing after Floyd and that could be Bradley or Marquez (unless someone is better than these two within the welterweight division). Then, when Floyd is damn good and ready to face Pac, make the superfight happen.
If Pacquiao and Arum really want to fight Mayweather, JUST WAIT...
Wait until June/July...
Didn't Bob Arum say Manny might fine in June anyways because he wasn't healed??? So I guess now he is healed?
The thing is there is no certainty when doing biz with Floyd. Too many question marks.. Floyd might want to take a longer vacation after being locked in jail.
Floyd should leave a comment to us boxing fans that he is fighting sometime this year with a definite month so that pac and arum can decide their options. Coz knowing Floyd he might not even fight this year.
Not really. Mayweather would be a clear favorite over Pacquiao based on the perception that he's a class above.
Get of your flomo logic. If you want to believe he is a class above everyone you are entitled to. But it can only be proven in a real fight. As I said our ali vs frazer, our SRL vs Haggler fight.
To see who is the better man?? You bringing in flomo logic just tells you what a nutthugger you are.. This is a showdown between top 2 best fighters p4p. You can put whichever you want to rank on top first. The thread doesn't care if you are in love with Floyd lol Learn to comprehend what you read.
Geez I swear some people in this board needs to grow some I.Q.
If Pacquiao and Arum really want to fight Mayweather, JUST WAIT...
Wait until June/July...
Didn't Bob Arum say Manny might fine in June anyways because he wasn't healed??? So I guess now he is healed?
Well thats the big one, im not even that excited about it but it HAS to happen! Its actually embarrassing for boxing that we have these two great fighters around their respective primes at #1 & #2 P4P and in the Same damn division yet we cant seem to get them in the ring together! Say what u will about the UFC but this shiet would never fly there....
Yup, it's our Ali vs Frazier, our SRL vs Haggler our Hearns vs Haggler. This is the big one. (Floyd vs Pac) This is what matters the rest is side show..
not much pac can do when floyd voluntarily enters prison to avoid the fight
i think he just saw, what we all saw, which is pac outboxing and schooling marquez, see below:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VahHnP06xik/Tt5FJ0AE6GI/AAAAAAAABTk/fSxedq6rif8/s1600/iwonthefight.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/375917_276357695739107_193049230736621_778320_1218811305_n.jpg
floyd was going to get locked up even if he went to trial.
he was smart by taking the plea.
i don't see how thats avoiding manny.
You know what. Pac can fight whomever you like just as long as pac and Floyd comes first after that it's all icing in the cake. That should be the case. So we can get the best from both of these guys.
Well thats the big one, im not even that excited about it but it HAS to happen! Its actually embarrassing for boxing that we have these two great fighters around their respective primes at #1 & #2 P4P and in the Same damn division yet we cant seem to get them in the ring together! Say what u will about the UFC but this shiet would never fly there....
You know what. Pac can fight whomever you like just as long as pac and Floyd comes first after that it's all icing in the cake. That should be the case. So we can get the best from both of these guys.
not much pac can do when floyd voluntarily enters prison to avoid the fight
i think he just saw, what we all saw, which is pac outboxing and schooling marquez, see below:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VahHnP06xik/Tt5FJ0AE6GI/AAAAAAAABTk/fSxedq6rif8/s1600/iwonthefight.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/375917_276357695739107_193049230736621_778320_1218811305_n.jpg
And when Floyd outclasses him that will the excuse used no doubt....
Im not for a 4th JMM match, id rather see Pacquaio face Cotto or Bradley
You know what. Pac can fight whomever you like just as long as pac and Floyd comes first after that it's all icing in the cake. That should be the case. So we can get the best from both of these guys.
Sadly, that's whats going to happen he will fight this May wether it is Marquez, Bradley, Peterson etc.. Pac will burn out once he and Floyd will fight. As I said in my post Pac should just chill and wait for the fight we all been waiting for. The most anticipated fight.. By the time he fights Floyd Pac will be shop worn.
And when Floyd outclasses him that will the excuse used no doubt....
Im not for a 4th JMM match, id rather see Pacquaio face Cotto or Bradley
arum ain't going to wait for floyd.
we will see pacquiao/jmm 4 in the spring.
Sadly, that's whats going to happen he will fight this May wether it is Marquez, Bradley, Peterson etc.. Pac will burn out once he and Floyd will fight. As I said in my post Pac should just chill and wait for the fight we all been waiting for. The most anticipated fight.. By the time he fights Floyd Pac will be shop worn.
Seriously, a weight drain pacquiao?
the leg cramp shiit was a more reasonable excuse
Geez, your of topic read the thread title.. You have so much hate you can't process clearly.. It ain't healthy for you.. get a shrink bro, seriously.. stop polluting threads..
theres no need for 4th fight, because marquez lost to
a) an inexperienced, 1 handed pacquiao
b) a weight drained pacquiao
and c) got outboxed by pacquiao, who also left marquez face an absolute mess
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VahHnP06xik/Tt5FJ0AE6GI/AAAAAAAABTk/fSxedq6rif8/s1600/iwonthefight.jpg
the only thing left is for pac to KO marquez, but in my opinion, marquez has already received enough punishment from pac.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR84C4QN6k5cYuCO-40siuvrY7PiN_FnAJ4sCTH0wwCxtp52qEip-z5djZ2
pac was not on top of his game. AND STILL beat him (JMM). id have to admit Pac didnt look 100%. No fighter does every fight. it happens. But the end of the story most cant accept is JMM lost. its over! move on! part 4, who cares! Fight a hungry fresh fighter and give him a shot. also show that off nights are a thing in boxing that does happen. Then take out Mayeather if he decides to fight him!
I don't think it was on off night. Styles makes fights.. Marquez style will always be difficult for Pac. I don't think pac is losing a step it is just that some fighters look impressive in fighting other boxers, while some styles makes fighters look good.
Put pac with a Bradley or a Peterson who engages and pac will look his best again. Pac was parked in neutral when he fought Marquez. Marquez counter punching muted him to be aggressive.
Pac has a first gear up to the 5th gear. He only got to 2nd gear coz Marquez style made him cautious when entering. But if a fighter who bangs with Pac , we will definitely see a 5th gear in Pac. That's were pac looks his best..
That said, Floyd vs Pac will be another chess match. Coz Floyd will be waiting to time with his counter punch. Pac will play the role of the aggressor. But doesn't mean Floyd can be a Marquez.
Marquez is smaller he hunches down and pivots. Floyd doesn't do that he backs and does a shoulder role still open for a left straight.
But even if Floyd can hunch he is taller than marquez thus he will still be open for a straight left. That is why Pac vs floyd will always be exciting..
Floyd's weakness is a leftee.. even Senior said he has troubles with south paws.
Floyd winning over Marquez doesn't mean it will be a cakewalk for him when he bangs with Pac.
Styles makes fights.. a lot of intangibles in there.. That's why it's a good fight to see.. But Floyd just wants to go to jail..
I understand what you're saying, it's just illogical. The idea that Roach will be able to come up some master anti-counter punching gameplan for Pacquiao is silly.
Well, Roach has no choice but to have one whether it's a fourth fight with Marquez or a fight with Mayweather.
what you don't get is that even a greedy man who built an empire like top rank want to die in style. Arum has a few years left before he ends up dead. He is looking for legacy my brother. To cap of his long career as a promoter what better way to do it than to cap it off with the biggest fight of the century. It ain't about money anymore bro. It's his last promotion that will remember him bye. His last big fight. Arum can't bring his moneyt to the grave.. That's what most people don't get.. It's the end of the road for Arum. He wants to be remembered. That's what rich man wants when you have reached wealth like that.. You want to be remembered.
It's ripe. Pac and floyd ain't getting younger. The longer it takes the longer they lose money on making this fight. If Arum is wise it's this year. He ain't a Harvard grad for nothing..
I'd like to think this and maybe it is possible but everything Arum has done has suggested he'd do anything rather than put Pacquiao together with Floyd. I guess only time will tell, because Floyd and Manny as fighters are running out of it, and as you say so is Bob.